Einstein's Dog

Yes, after further review, Sanders prices may be too much. And I don't know about Fuller being a process kind of guy, his injury/not playing history kind of makes it look like he isn't. I think another outside WR would be nice though.

A 28 yo, veteran, 4.32 speed WR coming off a thumb injury (big whoop). Beane has to offer at least $6M. Fuller was stuck in Miami last year, no need to come back fast from that. This guy is better for '22 than J Williams would be. And those top 10 rookies get close to $5M I think.

AJ signed with AZ. I need you on the W Fuller bandwagon - 4.32 speed at Sanders prices.

This has been my hope. That the FO went into the draft with the possibility of CB (Wallace) and WR (Sanders) spots open. They didn't hit on the Sanders position and so now they should finish it off in FA. I think Stevenson may be done - the recently acquired 5th rounder has done special team returns. The FA WR market is tight however. Julio Jones, Will Fuller, TY Hilton, maybe Sanders again, OBJ (though injured), and maybe D Jackson (though ancient). I'm rooting for Will Fuller! Serious veteran speed would fit like a glove here. Get in done Beane! I almost did a Pounding the Table for Will Fuller thread - but those haven't been turning out so well.

Pounding the table for Will Fuller! The FO intentionally went into the draft with two holes - CB (Wallace) + WR (Sanders). They did not fill the Sanders spot (and no, a 5th round pick that went after the run on kickers does not count). The FA money goes to the WR. Of the WRs - W Fuller is the man. He is the speed man that would fit like a glove in this offense. His injury history is what is holding him back from big money, and on a prove it deal I think Beane could get him for Sanders money.

Did you see Hall's interview? Not really a process guy from what I saw. Hall will be lucky to average 4.6 ypc with the Jets. I would much prefer C Watson and a 3rd round RB

C Watson vs B Hall 1. Speed C Watson > B Hall CW ran 4.34, BH ran a 4.39 2. Height C Watson > B Hall CW over 6'4, BH lucky to be 6' 3. Finance spot C Watson > B Hall CW takes Sanders $6M spot, B Hall takes either Singletary/Moss $2M 4. Potential C Watson > B Hall CW has M Williams/W Fuller $20M, BH has $7M L Fournette 5. Attitude C Watson > B Hall CW is small school Joshlike, BH kind of a doosh

Maybe not in a few hours though- there are a lot of mocks that have Hall going to us at 57 (where he is a much better fit).

I'm with you, it's time to groom another RB to take Singletary's place. But that RB should not be a 1st round pick.

It's not pretend. Many (myself included) think that taking an RB in the first damages the mid to long term outlook. You are ignoring the financial impact of the draft choice in hopes of a short term boost. If the Bills could draft a WR, safety, CB, LB you can see the logical use from a mid term perspective - they will be groomed to replace expensive spots with a $3M player. What if the RB is average? You have an overpriced player occupying a spot on your roster. If the WR is average at least they are occupying the Sanders spot of $6M. It is risky picking an RB. And contrary to many, I particularly don't like Hall, I thought from the interview I saw he came off pompous and arrogant. Seems like our FO has a different view.

The criteria of "Will this pick help us win now" is the epitome of short term thinking I hope our FO is not using in the draft. The draft should be for the future benefit of the team. Cap management through the draft is extremely important for maintaining long term success. The draft should be done with an eye towards future finances- safety (Poyer $13M), LB (Edmunds $15M), even CB (Wallace $4M), WR (Sanders $6M) all make more financial sense than Hall ($3M) replacing Singletary ($2M).

J Williams was listed as chosen I think 7 times in the overall look. G Wilson was the TBD choice in one of our mocks, so it's possible. If the FO likes Watson they should absolutely take him if available at 25. Trading down would be reckless, especially with Green Bay and Kansas City with close by picks.

Reasons I hate the idea: 1. Short sighted - the draft had been for the future, this screams short term. 2. RB is not a premium position. If Hall becomes as good as Fournette, you have a $7M guy, if the WR is good like C Kirk you have a $15-20M player. 3. Hall had a terrible interview on the show I saw, he isn't even the best RB in this class. He was pompous and arrogant. Also he doesn't play 4.4 fast. 4. Taking an RB in the first puts pressure on Dorsey/McD to run more - I don't want that pressure/influence on the offense. 5. Not only would I not want to give a second contract to an RB, the recent round 1 RBs would hold out before that anyway (Zeke, LeVeon). 6. Hall at around $3M replaces the $2M Singletary. Meanwhile we neglect that next year we have $15M Edmunds and $13M Poyer. 7. The genius title for Beane would have to be revisited- this would be an error in the overall plan of a continued successful team.

I think/hope J Williams, G Wilson, T Burks, and C Watson would all be in play.

What, no WR coverage? I think it is a distinct possibility. My hope is that the FO is using the draft for the future benefit of the club. That means BPA at a positions that make financial sense. Lots to choose from: CB, WR, IOL, even Safety could go in the first. Then the others plus LB and RB and way late P. Breece Hall @25 is not drafting with the financial future in mind and would seriously disappoint me.

Objection to a lot of things in this OP. First, the FO uses the draft for the future, not short term objectives, so grading in on the first year results is not the way to assess the value. A key component of drafting for the future is using the draft as a cap management tool. A great way to manage the cap is to use the 1st round pick with the BPA at a premium position of use. Secondly, while Diggs was an excellent trade it pales in comparison to choosing JA17. And this highlights the above, the first year results are not the way to assess how well a draft is done. If for instance J Williams is picked and has a JA17 like trajectory where he becomes a top 5 WR in 2-3 years, it would be well worth it.

What if they try it a little differently this time and bring in a younger CB that has to get over the injury prone label? There are ones out there like Buoye/K King/Callahan - that have been good CBs but haven't played through full seasons. After the draft I hope the FO acts quickly with their thought out price points and grabs one.

Agreed. The draft needs to consider the future and should not be based on immediate need. The BPA at a premium position of use is the best way to get future benefit of managing the cap. When you adhere to that line of thinking you don't take an RB in the first. I would like to see a stud WR taken in the first. If not available, I can see Booth. Also, I could see Daxton Hill, because I like his versatility and future as a safety replacement. In later rounds an RB, IOL, and punter.

Just read the Todd McShay and Mel Kiper mock draft, it had the Bills select Pickens at 57 (had Booth at 25).

I would like to get K Toney and Bradberry (at half salary) for a 3rd and Epenesa. This would make toney a low risk add-on, either he shows a change in attitude or he is gone and the Bills still have filled the CB spot. For the Giants they would get reduced salary and have the new team make a strong stand against head cases.

Having read that, I don't want either Hall or Walker in the second. It will be interesting to see what the FO does about RB. Singletary's contract is going to be up soon so a replacement there would be nice. And if they have soured on Moss, i would like to see a new short yardage specialist to stop having Josh run on 3rd and ones. Two different types of backs though.

You're right, I just went back and looked, I was way off. In 1.0 McDuffie was taken in the first for the Bills and in the second took K Walker after B Hall had been selected.

It would have been weird if Walker wasn't chosen here, since he was chosen in the first round in the last Bills mock draft. I think that is why Virgil left Walker off, he assumed Walker would be the choice.

No, you expect immediate "impact" but luckily that is not the view of the FO. The draft is for the overall continued success of the program, not some short term gain. Jamison Williams offers incredible potential for the offense for multiple years. A WR that Josh/Dorsey can have for multiple years. I don't know if you saw his interview. Hall is not someone I would want. K Walker beat out Hall in our Bills mock draft.

I think that they have recently used a BPA of premium position of use to create their board. And that the board has been created with the future in mind when drafting. The board has been somewhat conservative in that even if the player is average they are taking a spot which is expensive to fill. Very little financial risk in the DEs when they are penciled in to replace the Murphys/Butlers/Addison $8-12M range players. Looks like the FO is saving the WR2/3 spot for a rookie to replace the Sanders spot ($6M). And they have the CB2/3 open to replace Wallace ($4M) available. I think Daxton Hill is strongly in the mix, offers versatility and the long term coverage at safety that would allow the Bills to save the $12M of a Poyer extension.