Simon

Terrel Suggs was sort of similar to Hoecht in that he could play both DE and LB and his strength was as a pass rusher. He tore both of his Achilles' a few years apart and came back from both as pretty much the same guy. He was also a freak of nature though. 🤷‍♂️

They've given him several opportunities as a pass rusher over the last couple years and he just has no instincts for it.

I thought the bigger problem with that play was the stupidity of taking the decision out of Josh Allen's hands while he was clearly on a heater. If Allen checked into it he was wrong but I don't remember thinking that he did. I think that was the only moment I got genuinely pissed when they were on offense.

If that sound pops in my head when I see Samuel on Sunday, I am going to cuss you out good. I love that saying; it totally justifies all my bad intentions.

I think he's one of those guys that doesn't necessarily look like he's digging but is somehow still covering a lot of ground when he opens it up, although he's probably slower than some other guys to hit that 5th gear.

I'm just a fan on my couch; I'm not tuned into the all the DT rotations in the NFL and study them enough to know who's available for fair value. But I'd bet my house there were guys available out there that bad teams were willing to negotiate for in consideration for mid round picks.

You forgot Shavers, who is probably faster than anybody in the WR room except Moore. But it's probably irrelevant because of what you said about the Bills O design and also because of how teams defend Allen.

Ed Oliver, a 2nd and a 4th for Quinnen Williams (I know it's probably fraught with issues re: the cap and the division, but it could have helped both teams)

I'm not talking about the whole DL, just about how badly the Bills needed to find help at DT today. And while I like Rousseau and Bosa, there really isn't much behind them either with Hoecht gone. The Bills have clearly wanted that unit to be the #2 strength of their team for years and needed to do work today to maintain that effort. Instead, they chose to do nothing about what has always been their top priority.

I'm sorry, but that is an awful rotation at arguably the most important spot on the chess board, and suggesting that Oliver is going to return from a serious injury and immediately be effective is probably nothing more than whistling past the graveyard. This team hopefully has another dozen games to play and I don't think there's any way they can make enough plays to win enough of them with that massive, glaring problem right smack dab in the middle of the LOS. Beane absolutely needed to find at least one and probably two more reliable bodies on the DL this week and he walked away with nothing. For a guy that I've appreciated having a huge and appropriate amount of respect for the importance of the DL, that was very disappointing.

Walker also got put on a dolly a couple times at key moments. And we are not anywhere near 4 deep at DT. In fact, the only three guys we have healthy right now are Jordan Phillips, Larry Ogunjobi and an inconsistent rookie(). That's it. And they are playing in front of an injured, ineffective LB corps(e). I don't care about WR, but this is a real problem that could hurt this team badly.

It's been dragging all day and finally went down around 4:30/5:00

If it's NFL trade related, go for it. Rehashing anti-Bills crusades, debating Josh Allen and Ohtani, etc don't belong in here.

For those of you that can't stay on topic and insist on repeatedly trying to drive this thread off the rails: Stop. Folks are trying to check in here for updates and you're making it harder on them. STOP.

Maybe one of those firsts was the cost of getting that idiot Mitchell off their roster.