GreggTX

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No way. We will have a top 5 or even top 3 pick in the next draft and 2 picks in the top 37. I'm sure we can get a great pair of day 1 starters if Beane gets it together.

No the sky is not "falling". It is "fallen". Don't worry. We'll have lots of extra cap space next year. Hopefully they won't sign any backup caliber players for solid starter money like they did with Lotulelei.

We should have made that trade. Allen came with no guarantees and what else we got? OBD asleep at the switch.

We may not be the 32nd best team in the NFL in 2018. Maybe. Sorry, but that's the best I can do. I think 3 or4 wins is our ceiling.

Bills 10, Ravens 24

We will have a top 5 pick in the next draft, so we might as well hope for development.

Good. A little objectivity for a change.

They are pretending that none of our OL actually know how to block and that they want Allen to get killed. They sure had me fooled. I bet they're just pretending the defense can't stop the run too

The "one"?

We'd have to come up with 3 very solid starters to consider this OL even average. That assumes that Dawkins can be moved to RT where he belongs and Teller will be better than any other interior OL on the roster (which isn't saying much). Our starters are all backup caliber except Dawkins, who is playing out of position. He was fine at LT in college, but has really struggled in pass protection these last 2 games.

He can't be worse, but his best days are a distant memory and I emphasize "distant" here.

Maybe give him a chance to learn the playbook first and see how it goes??? I doubt he'll amount to much, but at least give him a chance. We're thin BEHIND Zay Jones? What? Did ZJ suddenly become a capable receiver and no one has noticed?

Clay should have been able to run full speed and catch the ball in stride if it was well thrown. Clearly the ball was very badly underthrown. I thought I was watching one of EJ Manuel's wounded ducks or something.

And I got flamed for saying that if Groy couldn't even beat out Wood (who was one of the worst starting centers in the league and had been for years) that he is not starter material. It seems I was correct. The Bengals, who had perhaps the very worst OL in the NFL last year let Bodine walk without so much as an offer. That's how bad he was. These are the 2 candidates for the starting job at C. Sad. Mills is starting yet again as we continue to fail to find a starter-capable replacement.

Josh made 2 or 3 really bad throws all on his own because he didn't set his base when he had time to do so. Still, we could pay a bunch of guys off the street that could block better than our OL. They're a total embarrassment. This is as bad as I've seen in 58 years of following the Bills. DON'T start Josh until this OL gets fixed. I don't care if I have to wait until 2019 to see him in a game again. Another rap like that on the head and his career will be over before it begins.

Pretty hard to complete passes when you're flat on your back, eh?

Right. I don't want to discuss it. That's why I'm discussing it so much.

Calm down lol. Your arguments would be much more effective if you left the personal remarks out.

I gave an opinion. Then I asked others to share theirs. Standard operating procedure.

Many teams have bad OL's now. The difference is that our OL struggled last year too. Then we lost 3 starters with several probowls between them and did nothing to upgrade those vacated spots. This isn't the same as "every year" by a longshot. I liken this to the year Brandon was GM and dismantled the OL and Trent, who'd played well up to that point, got his brains scrambled. I don't think this is going to be OK.

If they play better, why not? Why the attitude?

When you say they don't develop QB's well, I think that's on the coaches and we've had a lot of turnover there. I'm not sure the past is very relevant hto that point, but I won't argue with the rest.

I suspect that there are a few backups that could win a starting job here, though.

Not in recent years anyways. I think they will eventually replace a couple guys with marginal talent. That's probably as good as it gets. You don't want to just change the names on the OL, but I expect that after watching more film of this nightmare, they will deem 1 or 2 guys as just not up to par with NFL level ability.