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Just realized this was all the 2016 season, nothing from last season. Also, the majority were good TD passes, but there are a few things worth mentioning. - He's at his best rolling out to his right - His 3 & 4 TD games come against bad teams except for Boise State (UC Davis, Air Force, UNLV, and San Diego State) - Good amount of play action (although it's out of shotgun) - WR's had to make some great catches, but that's true of all QB's from time to time - A couple of TD passes wouldn't have been TD's in the NFL (need both feet down) - Against Big Conference teams, he was 0-3 with 1 TD and 8 INT's - Against Nebraska, he had a Nathan Peterman-esque game, throwing for 5 INT's. Also, his 2016 season was FAR more successful than his 2017 season. He threw for half as many yards, and less than half the amount of TD's in 2017, as well as having a lower passer rating (his INT's went down too though). He did play 2 less games overall however. It's fun seeing his TD's in a vacuum, but it's also not even close to a true picture of his playing abilities. Whether he looks good, bad, whatever, it's just a fun way to look back at certain moments. Thanks for the video.

It's exciting but scary at the same time. On one hand, if Allen shows some real promise this year then it'll be awesome going into next offseason with all that cap space. On the other hand, if he shows JP Losman/EJ Manuel "potential," that cap space could bite us in the ***. GM's usually don't want to accept they made a bad pick, and will likely double down the following year citing the need to "surround with talent" in order for the QB to succeed. Then they waste big money and draft picks on skill position players that can't elevate the QB, and set us back years to come. We could go all in on the next Lee Evans or Sammy Watkins, make splashes in Free Agency, trade pieces to beef up the defense, etc. but if the QB doesn't show actual growth, it might be all for nothing.

I'd click both options if possible. No, I didn't want him, and I wasn't a fan. He's shown nothing in college that leads me to believe he'll be a good NFL QB. On the other hand, he's a player on the Buffalo Bills now, and therefore, he's my guy. I want nothing but the best for him, and I hope he does what no other college QB with stats like his has done and breaks out in the NFL.

The Josh McCown quote still makes me nervous. The Jets have the perfect veteran QB that has all the experience in the world and wants to legitimately help the newcomer. We have Nathan Peterman and AJ McCarron for Allen to learn from.

Not good honestly. Mainly because our offense, which was already very bad, got notably worse unfortunately. 1. Rookie QB that is an extremely raw project 2. No Veteran QB for rookie QB to sit behind or teach rookie QB 3. No QB with on-field play and stats in college as bad as Allen has ever become a franchise QB 4. Porous offensive line that got substantially worse (Woods retiring, Incognito retiring/un-retiring/asking to be released, and Glenn being traded) 5. WR corps that consists of Kelvin Benjamin and: Quan Bray, Kaelin Clay, Malachi Dupre, Andre Holmes, Zay Jones, Jermely Kerley, Ray McCloud, Austin Proehl, Brandon Reilly, and Rod Streater.... 6. Shady is only getting older I think our defense will improve by virtue of adding DT's Star and rookie Harrison Phillips, but adding Vontae Davis over Gaines is an upgrade as well. Our safeties who were already a good tandem, should be even better in year 2 due to being in the system for longer. Hopefully, along with the White being in his 2nd year, the secondary creates turnovers more consistently like they did in the first half of 2017 now that the DT position is stronger.

Roscoe Parrish 2.0 (except slower). Actually, he's more Wes Welker than Parrish. McCloud / Welker Height - 5 ' 9 / -5 ' 9 Weight - 190lbs / 195lbs 40 Yd Dash - 4.53 / 4.55 Broad Jump - 113.0 inches / 113.0 inches Only difference is statistically on the field, as McCloud didn't do nearly as much (he wasn't ever a real focus) compared to Welker (who played in an air-raid offense).

He wasn't even 1st team or 2nd team All-Mountain West Conference player.... yet he's suddenly going to kick it up to the next level against MUCH more difficult competition? He was 0-3 against Power 5 conference teams, and threw for 1 TD and 8 INT's against them. Even against non-Power 5 teams, and the benefit of colleges picking and choosing their opponents (usually lining up some Division 2 schools and easy wins to pad their record), Allen was not impressive ON THE FIELD where it actually mattered. In college, QB's can have outrageous stats if they're even half way decent, chunking the ball downfield left & right. Allen somehow managed to have worse numbers than Tyrod Taylor in College in the Mountain West, averaging 164 yards a game last year, with only 3 total games of throwing for more than 1 TD (he threw for 2, 3 and 4 once each). He had just as many games throwing for 0 TD's. And what other QB has ever had a 56% average completion rating (along with all the other poor stats) in college and managed to somehow get it up to the 62%+ needed in the NFL to actually be respectable? No matter what can be said about him, the Bills gambled and took the absolute riskiest "top" QB in the entire draft, and they don't have history behind them to believe they'll turn him into a franchise guy. **Edit** And the excuse "well maybe the talent around him wasn't good enough!" because that doesn't work either. The opponents he played for the large majority of his games had the same level talent to work with. Plenty of QB's from smaller schools, even those in Power 5 Conferences that don't put much into football, have come out of college having fantastic on-field play to backup their "potential."

I'm glad you're excited, and I certainly will give the kid a chance. I'll support all these guys until they give me a reason not to. But if Allen pans out and becomes a franchise QB, he will be the first QB in all modern NFL History to do so after a college career such as his. And the odds of the Bills patiently developing a guy as raw and unproven as him, coupled with being able to be the first team successful in turning a guy like that into gold seem worse than winning the Powerball. Not once do I remember a QB being drafted whose hype was all around arm strength, hand size, height, weight, athleticism, etc. and not around on-field play, accuracy, decision making, ability to read a defense, wins against good competition, stats, football IQ, etc. turning out well. The "project" QB without a single veteran QB on the roster to learn from and sit behind also doesn't bode well.

And here's another quote, this time from Gregg Rosenthal (NFL.com), that also says quite a lot about the problem with the Allen trade - "The Bills traded out of their No. 10 overall pick a year ago, passing on the chance to draft Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson in favor of amassing draft capital. This season, the Bills used significant draft capital to trade up for quarterback Josh Allen (moving from 12th overall to seventh). The kids would call that hustling backward, especially when Allen has an uphill climb just to surpass previous Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor's level of production. Bills fans will point to this being the first draft for GM Brandon Beane, who was hired last May, but that only emphasizes how tricky it is to come up with a cohesive roster when the GM and coach are always in flux. Allen could prove his skeptics wrong, and his athleticism is unquestionable, but Josh Rosen has clearly displayed a more obvious NFL skill set. Allen is reminiscent of a souped-up version of another Bills first-round quarterback: J.P. Losman, a player with accuracy issues who was a star in the pre-draft season because of his measurables. Losman was taken 22nd overall in the 2004 NFL Draft and proceeded to compile a 10-23 record in Buffalo."

I mean Allen alone shows they screwed up royally, but letting go of two 2nd round picks to get him? Wow....I'm still in shock. Just read what Rodger Sherman said about the selection. That's pretty much exactly how I feel - https://goo.gl/YMBvx4 "I would consider any team that used a first-round pick on Josh Allen to be the biggest loser of the first round. No good NFL quarterback has ever had statistics as bad as Allen's college stats; his best-case statistical comparables include Brian Griese and Josh McCown. There are just so many videos of him missing easy passes so badly. Sure, his arm is strong enough that teams should value his potential, but "extremely strong quarterback who may never learn how to throw to receivers" seems to me like a Day 3 pick, not a first-rounder. I remain baffled that he was treated like a top prospect throughout the entire draft process. But the Bills didn't just draft Allen. They traded up to get him, giving up two second-round picks to move up five spots. That's a massive overpay on any draft value chart. And then the Bills also traded a third-rounder to the Ravens to move up from the 22nd pick to the 16th to select Tremaine Edmunds. Trading up is the move of a team in win-now mode. The Bills did so--but they selected a quarterback whose supporters even consider him a project. That doesn't jibe. I'm so happy that the Bills got to the playoffs last year, and so confused about their future."

The moment the announcers started talking about how much Terry Pegula became infatuated with Allen after his recent visit, I knew we were screwed. Never let the owner dictate who the QB you draft as the face of the franchise is... It almost never works.

Should've taken Rosen.Allen is a project whose hype all comes from the fascination with his size, athleticism and big arm. When accuracy, ability to go through progressions, read a defense, performance in big games/against good competition, etc. aren't being discussed, it usually doesn't turn out well.He doesn't even have great stats to at least point to and say "hey, at least he threw for ____ yards and a billion TD's!" The Bills don't even have a single veteran QB on the roster to help guide and teach him. Not very wise. What makes it even worse is using two 2nd round picks on him... Wouldn't have minded if it were for someone you know is worthy of the mantle, but if you weren't going to take Rosen, might as well have stayed at 12.

Houston is getting known for good food now? Interesting...I may not avoid the place as much now. Dallas always has had fantastic food. After living there for a while, I don't know how I lived without Tex-Mex for so long. And BBQ? Well Texas just has great BBQ almost anywhere you go.

Bananas are my source of Potassium.

It is a dumb measurement for sure. And yes, actual grip would be a better attribute to measure. But even then, you know some idiot scouts/GM's would start over-valuing QB grip measurements from the combine, shooting some bum up to the to 1st round anyway... They'll see the Bills, Browns, Broncos, Bengals, Bears (a lot of "B" teams...) in the top 10 one draft and say "whoa, this guy's grip is PERFECT for all these cold weather teams! He could be the next ______!" And suddenly, you have Uncle Rico being drafted in the top 5 because he could squeeze balls well....?

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He shows all the signs of past busts. That, along with most of his hype being based purely on his physical attributes and "potential," rather than what he did on the field. When you hear about his arm strength, mobility, height, hand size, etc. MORE than decision making, accuracy, performance in big games, meaningful wins, TD/INT ratio, intelligence, and pocket presence, it's usually a sign of scouts and GM's salivating over what they WANT a QB to become rather than what that QB actually is...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-mock-draft-browns-start-qb-run-with-josh-allen-bills-take-lamar-jackson/amp/ All the top 4 QB's go in the first 5 picks, with only the Browns at #4 picking a non-QB with their 2nd selection. Then we're left at #12, and are probably desperate enough to grab a QB anyway, likely hoping he ends up pulling a DeShaun Watson. 12. Buffalo Bills (from Bengals) Lamar Jackson, QB, Louisville. After trading up from No. 21 to No. 12, the Bills stay put for their quarterback and take Jackson. There's no rush to get him on the field immediately; AJ McCarron will have a chance to earn the job in 2018, but if he flops, Jackson would get his opportunity to be the next face of the franchise.

I'm open to taking Luck off your hands. C'mon, you guys know he's washed up now. The Chargers let Brees go after his surgery, just as you guys let Peyton go after his. And we all know they didn't do jack after moving on, so what do ya have to lose?

How we missed out on all the top QB's in the class, yet snagged the most "pro-ready" and "naturally accurate" QB in round 5. Obviously the Bills FO won't screw this up.

I honestly believe 3. Just like the 2004 draft all over again. Only this time, I hope the Bills get the future HOFer instead of the JP Losman...

Those aren't the only games the team needed him, and he did nothing... He carried a 3-23 record (I may be off by 1 game) record in his 3 seasons here, when the Bills went down by even a SINGLE point at any time in the 4th quarter.... That's the issue. Doesn't matter how close the game was, if we ever got behind, Tyrod was the LAST QB to keep you in the game. And throughout this past season, if the defense didn't have an amazing game or gift Tyrod & Co. tons of turnovers in opposing territory (to kick those FG's after going 3 & out), the Bills would have lost almost every game.

Work ethic and leadership were never his issues. Damn, I wish we could get a high 3rd round pick for all our players that exhibit those just those 2 traits. We'd be able to draft the entire QB class this year! Wish there were more Browns in the league...

I said it would be more difficult with an inexperienced QB. The Jets resigned McCown... or is he suddenly not experienced? The Bills have ZERO veterans at the position. Maybe think things through before you quickly try to post a witty retort, disregarding everything else I posted.

Weird that it doesn't show the Jets in that picture... Anyway, if it means the Bills end up with Darnold, I'm 100% A-OK with that. I'm more concerned with who the Bills grab than who falls to the other teams (unless of course the Bills don't grab anyone, and everyone else lands a franchise QB). Rosen on the Dolphins (seems unlikely), Mayfield on the Jets, and Darnold on the Bills would be perfectly acceptable to me. Sure would make for an interesting next few years at that.