BigDingus

If only we had Bobby April as our ST coach at that point in time... Sad though that the most exciting part of Bills games for years was our monster ST players.

I disagree with us not having a choice though. We could sign any number of veterans and let them take the beat down (something we should've done this offseason anyway). Hell, we could've kept McCarron if we didn't even want that. And as much as I don't think Peterman offers us any great chance to win, you made this whole offseason about EARNING the starting spot, said Peterman EARNED it, then yanked him after a half for what? Throwing 2 picks & not moving the offense? Well Allen's done that in a couple games now too, it was kind of easy to see that was going to happen 1 way or another MONTHS AGO. If the season is lost, if the offense is going to suck no matter what, if our QB is going to get sacked like crazy, if regardless of who we put behind center is going to throw a bunch of picks, why can't you throw in any other warm body instead of the guy who NEEDED to sit, learn and develop, instead of take an epic beatdown every week? Man, I'd rather watch Kaepernick kneel every 3rd & long on the field than watch our rookie mindlessly spin-move to his blindside, right into an oncoming rusher who knocks his block off time & time again! I just feel so aggravated that with an awful O-line, awful WR's, no veteran QB, and no plan-B, we take the one QB out of the group that is least likely to succeed in that situation... And it's especially upsetting when you read back at Allen's pre-draft breakdowns, where his biggest gifts are his physical attributes but his most glaring weaknesses signal "NEEDS TO DEVELOP & SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE" if he's ever to have an even semi-decent chance of succeeding in the league. How many QB's have the Bills successfully developed in the modern era in their entire history!?!? They didn't even develop Jim Kelly from the start...as he played 2 years of pro football before even suiting up for the Bills. Sure wasn't Todd Collins, Alex Van Pelt, JP Losman, EJ Manuel, Jeff Tuel, Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards... Different coaching staffs, different personnel, I know. It's just hard to see us succeeding in that regard where others could not. I really, REALLY hope we do though.

Well, we can break it down into 3 groups: Old Guard: 1. Tom Brady (19th season, Age 41) 2. Drew Brees (18th season, Age 39) 3. Eli Manning (15th season, Age 37) 4. Ben Roethlisberger (15th season, Age 36) 5. Philip Rivers (15th season, Age 36) 6. Aaron Rodgers (14th season, Age 34) 7. Alex Smith (14th season, Age 34) 8. Matt Ryan (11th season, Age 33) 9. Joe Flacco (11th season, Age 33) 10. Matthew Stafford (10th season, Age 30) Mid Guard (ha): 1. Andy Dalton (8th season, Age 30) 2. Cam Newton (8th season, Age 29) 3. Tyrod Taylor (8th season, Age 29) <<<Backup 4. Kirk Cousins (7th season, Age 30) 5. Ryan Tannehill (7th season, Age 30) 6. Andrew Luck (7th season, Age 29) 7. Russell Wilson (7th season, Age 29) 8. Nick Foles (7th season, Age 29) <<<Backup 9. Case Keenum (6th season, Age 30) New Guard: 1. Derek Carr (5th season, Age 27) 2. Blake Bortles (5th season, Age 26) 3. Jimmy Garoppolo (5th season, Age 26) 4. Teddy Bridgewater (5th season, Age 25) <<<Backup 5. Marcus Mariota (4th season, Age 24) 6. Jameis Winston (4th season, Age 24) 7. Dak Prescott (3rd season, Age 25) 8. Carson Wentz (3rd season, Age 25) 9. Jared Goff (3rd season, Age 23) 10. Mitch Trubisky (2nd season, Age 24) 11. Deshaun Watson (2nd season, Age 23) 12. Patrick Mahomes (2nd season, Age 23) 13. Baker Mayfield (Rookie, Age 23) 14. Josh Allen (Rookie, Age 22) 15. Sam Darnold (Rookie, Age 21) 16. Josh Rosen (Rookie, Age 21) 17. Lamar Jackson (Rookie, Age 21) <<<Backup 1) So out of those groups, we've only got 10 active QB's who have played 10 or more seasons. Outside of Stafford being 30 and Brady being 41, that group averages about 35 years of age. Any of them could retire, play year to year, or be done after this season depending on how they feel. Others like Rodgers may pull a Brady & continue playing into their 40's, you just never know. But that group isn't only on the older side, they're also far & away the best skill-wise on the field. 2) The middle group is your experienced but younger veterans, who may or may not truly separate themselves, and have often been the most heavily debated bunch on whether they deserve to be called "franchise QB's." People like Dalton, Tannehill, Cousins, and even Newton were often seen as "acceptable," and above average...good enough to get you to the post season, but unlikely to ever get much further, while others such as Tyrod, Keenum, and Foles are seen as bridge players, solid backups, or future journeymen, but not someone you want as the face of the franchise. However, Wilson & Luck both have proven to be franchise-type guys, but due to circumstances outside of their control haven't reached levels of success in recent years that they had early in their careers. 3a) And the final group...the baby faced men who are supposed to be the future of the league. This is obviously the most volatile bunch, with many of the non-rookies having had great success already, but also terrible lows. Carr took the Raiders to the playoffs having a fantastic season before getting injured. Bortles lead his team to the AFC Championship. Now Mahomes is playing at an MVP level in his first games starting. You definitely have some standouts, but it's hard to predict if 10 of these guys coming close to the careers of the 10 guys in group 1. If I had to pick any, I'd guess: Goff, Wentz, Mahomes, Watson, Mayfield, and Trubisky, with Darnold & Carr being the next most likely (however, I see Carr having a Carson Palmer-esque career). 3b) This rookie class was seen as one of the best in years, but considering the franchises they went to, it'd be nothing short of historic to have the Cardinals, Bills, Jets & Browns all find 10-15 year franchise QB's at once. If any draft class seems to likely to yield a trio of quality starters, last year's seems a solid bet with Mahomes, Watson & Trubisky. On the flipside, the highly touted duo of Mariotta & Winston has also kind of been a let down. There's been flashes from both, but considering where people envisioned them to be at this point, I think they've fallen short (especially Winston). Rosen is smart, accurate and has talent, but how high is his ceiling? Allen is a huge question mark, as he'll need to do things he's never been able to do before, only this time at the highest level, in order to be successful.

Let's home he hits his prime earlier than that, because around that time his contract will be expiring. And if I know the Bills, they'd rather draft his replacement than extend him to a big contract. We got the nickname the "NFL's farm team" for a reason.... Or better yet, whatever new coach that comes into town could just start cutting all the old regime's talent in favor of "character guys." Either way, I'd be shocked if we had a great MLB in their prime & resigned them to a long term deal.

Another amusing thing I've been wanting to bring up... that defense of Allen saying "he played in Wyoming, so he'll be good in the wind!" You know who else played in the wind (and insane, unpredictable weather)? Patrick Mahomes. Lubbock, Texas is always on top of craziest weather lists, and Lubbock is ranked the 3rd windiest city in the United States by Weather Channel - http://keyj.com/abilene-makes-the-weather-channels-top-10-list-of-windiest-cities-in-america/ For reference, Buffalo is ranked 10th, so there's that. And in 2013 when Weather Channel did their "Toughest Weather City Tournament," guess which city took #1? Yeah...Lubbock, Texas - https://weather.com/sports-recreation/march-madness/news/toughest-weather-city-tournament-20130315 So if we wanted someone who could play in harsh, windy weather, it seems that guy tearing it up in KC right now would've worked out pretty darn well.

Sooo basically we could've been a year ahead in this scenario had we just drafted Mahomes last year, kept our two 2nd round & two 3rd round picks this past year, and continued to build from there, only Mahomes would've sat a year behind Tyrod instead of sitting a year behind Alex Smith. I think i'd take that in a heartbeat. We also could've gone the KC route & added even more weapons in FA, and really turned this offense into something at least respectable to watch.

And funny enough, fans also bashed him, as well as Nathaniel Hackett. Man, people hated Hackett...and hated Marrone for keeping him around. Then everyone talks crap about what a great situation they left, and how the team will improve now that his crappy offense is gone, even though like you said, he never wanted EJ. Well don't look now, but Marrone & Hackett got the last laugh. They had Blake Bortles play the best of his career & were a quarter away from going to the Super Bowl beating the Pats in the AFC Championship game. Here they are again this year still playing great, with Bortles on pace to throw for around 4,400 yards, 28 TD's & 12 INT's. And like I've been saying for years now, these offensive coordinators call plays KNOWING who they have in the personnel department. If their QB sucks balls, expect a limited & very specific set of plays. Whether it's Hackett, or Roman, or Dennison, when you have QB's like EJ & Tyrod behind center, you're not left with a playbook that's really going to stifle any opponents. But time & time again fans cry foul when execution on the field is horrendous, and blame the OC. Just watch all of Allen's passes from last week in this video, and see how many errant & inaccurate throws he made...even when he had protection & ample time to throw - Something tells me we're still going to get to that same point we always do....blame the OC & start over next year. Maybe one of these days we'll luck into a McVay & it'll all be worth it.

Um... Mahomes would've sat a year here last year too.However, sitting 1 year & becoming MVP-good doesn't just magically happen. And they assembled a good team around him, yes, but he still has to make the freaking plays. He's making them! He's accurate, he's got an arm, he's smart, he's athletic, he can read a defense, he's poised, he's a leader, and he's breaking NFL records. If it was as simple as "sit a year & put a good team around him," everyone would have these results, and no records would be broken. He's the FIRST to do many of these things because he's just that damn good. He played just like that in college, and imagine that, he's doing it in the NFL. If Josh Allen plays like he did in college, we didn't net anything special at all. And that's the crappy part, we picked a guy who not only has to improve, he has to actually get better than he's ever played in his life and do it while playing at the most difficult level. If he simply had to improve to the point to "catch up" to speed of the NFL & then produce like he did in college that'd be one thing, but no... he needs to get far better than that, and do stuff he's never done in HS, Junior College, or College, but against the best players in the world Yeah, that's likely to happen

It's hard isn't it? Especially when year after year other teams seem to find their way, hiring the right coaches, drafting the right players, signing the right free agents, etc. Yet the Bills never are that team...somehow their turn never comes. Jared Goff looked like a possible mistake, then the Rams hire Sean McVay & suddenly the Rams are the best team in the NFC West. Their offense goes through the roof, and LA of all places lucks into having a great team to root for INSTANTLY. The Chiefs have been a team that consistently makes the playoffs every year but cant get over the hump. The Bills have been a failure for nearly 2 decades. You'd think the team that's never going anywhere should be stockpiling great talent via the draft right? Nope, instead the already solid playoff team hits the home-run MVP-caliber QB while the dud team grabs the project guy. The Bills have the weakest WR corps in the NFL, yet when WR talent becomes available we don't go after it because of the risk involved (even though our draft pick was labeled the riskiest of the "big 4"). And who does take the risk? The already great Patriots. Who knows if someone like Gordon (or even Dez) would payoff, but what do you really have to lose anyway? You lose your 3 best linemen in the offseason and fail to invest in viable replacements...all while you're planning on drafting a rookie at QB who needs all the protection help he can get. You simultaneously ignore signing a true veteran at the position to help mentor & guide the rookie QB, unlike all the other teams who went a similar route. Browns? Mayfield with Tyrod. Jets? Darnold with Bridgewater & McCown. Cardinals? Rosen with Bradford. Bills? Allen with Peterman & McCarron????? Wtf. It's crazy to think when we did have Watkins, Woods, Goodwin & Hogan all together with Clay & McCoy we still had a horrible passing offense. There's always something holding us back, and it seems poor decision making is at the top of the list.

You're talking to the wrong group of people here. They're the ones that voted overwhelmingly in a thread last week they'd rather have Allen than Mahomes... Why? Who the hell knows. Inaccuracy & "potential" over record-breaking, MVP caliber results I guess. The insanity here hit new highs after the Vikings win.

Why does Allen always go straight to spinning to his blindside when under pressure? Even when it seems easier to just step up, or throw the ball away, or take off running in another direction... he seems to default to spinning into his blindside and immediately into the hands of an unseen edge rusher every time. Is that just how he's being taught? I don't know why that would be, but maybe there's something to it im missing. Along with having a better internal clock, throwing the ball away more often, recognizing blitzes better, and improving the O-line, I feel not defaulting to that spin every time will help negate a ton of negative plays, and keep us in manageable 3rd down situations.

Yeah, he really looks to be struggling. Our unfair advantage is really showing.

No point in cutting him when the other guys at the position aren't doing anything either. And as usual, the O-line is awful, and the QB is his usual inconsistent self.

You know what's funny, I got to thinking when writing this post... If we had a prime Lee Evans right now, I believe Benjamin would standout like a "true" #1. What Lee was able to consistently do in spite of the guys throwing to him, and in spite of the opposing defenses knowing exactly what we were going to do with him, it's truly impressive. And with that kind of threat opposite of Benjamin, perhaps KB could find that space & get those targets. Because as of right now, he's not better than most teams' #1 cover corners, and he's not been good enough to fight off double coverage. And without the speed, he's simply there to catch jump balls, and he's not even doing that.... But with a burner like Evans who can run routes & has pretty good hands on the other side, KB's tenure here could look a lot different.

I think if he entered last year, he would've been a 3rd round pick at best. He benefited greatly from hype leading up to the draft (there's always 1 guy who shoots up based on size & arm strength), but you also have to look at which teams were where, and who needed what at that same point. In hindsight, I think every team who even semi-wanted a QB would now have opted for Mahomes without question. The guy is having a record-breaking year, and its his first season as a starter. Yesterday on ESPN, all the "experts" were talking about earlier favorites for MVP candidates, and Mahomes was the consensus #1 for all of them. So would Allen be taken before Mahomes? No. Would he be taken before Watson? Unlikely. But if he strings together some more pretty good games, the hindsight people might decide he could possibly go before Watson. Will Grier will probably be a 1st round pick too. I dunno, it's 2018...does he also identify as your aunt, or is the vagina just there for show & he actually identifies as your uncle still?

I think people are now realizing it, but were in denial up until recently. But besides that, I'm asking who was the last TRUE #1 WR the Bills have had, if any, in the last decade plus?

As Bills fans, we tend to call any WR who is pretty good (or just not as bad as the other random assortment of filler WR's we have at the time) a "number 1 WR." But over time we realize they may be decent guys, but that they're certainly not true #1 WR type talent. I started thinking back at the last time we had one of those caliber players, someone who'd stack up well on any roster, not just the Bills. Right now we have Kelvin Benjamin, someone who we've called our #1 WR, but honestly wouldn't compare well to true #1's throughout the league. And even compared to our past so-called #1 WR's, Benjamin falls short. Even though our past #1's didn't really feel like #1's outside of Buffalo, many performed admirably given the circumstances. I'd still argue our last real #1 was Eric Moulds, with Stevie Johnson or Evans being runners up. Our leaders in receptions & yards each year (Note: not necessarily WR's) were: *2017 - LeSean McCoy (59 receptions for 448 yards) & Charles Clay (49 receptions for 558 yards), with Deonte Thompson being the top WR with 27 receptions for 430 yards (ouch Tyrod) *2016 - Charles Clay (57 receptions for 552 yards) & Robert Woods (51 receptions for 613 yards) *2015 - Sammy Watkins (60 receptions for 1047 yards) *2014 - Sammy Watkins (65 receptions for 985 yards) & Fred Jackson (66 receptions for 501 yards) *2013 - Scott Chandler (53 receptions for 655 yards) & Stevie Johnson (52 receptions for 597 yards) *2012 - Stevie Johnson (79 receptions for 1046 yards) *2011 - Stevie Johnson (76 receptions for 1004 yards) *2010 - Stevie Johnson (82 receptions for 1073 yards) *2009 - Terrell Owens (55 receptions for 829 yards) *2008 - Lee Evans (63 receptions for 1017 yards) *2007 - Lee Evans (55 receptions for 849 yards) *2006 - Lee Evans (82 receptions for 1292 yards) *2005 - Eric Moulds (81 receptions for 816 yards) *2004 - Eric Moulds (88 receptions for 1043 yards) *2003 - Eric Moulds (64 receptions for 780 yards) *2002 - Eric Moulds (100 receptions for 1292 yards) *2001 - Larry Centers (80 receptions for 620 yards) & Eric Moulds (67 receptions for 904 yards) *2000 - Eric Moulds (94 receptions for 1326 yards) Look at how much we took for granted. We've consistently had pretty bad QB's, but look how many times our leader in reception lined up with leading in yards (which a true #1 SHOULD have in the bag). On top of that, look how many times our leader was an actual WR! From 2000-2012, we only had one season where the reception & yardage leaders were different players. Then from 2013-2017, we've only had that 1 out of 5 seasons. Also in that time, we've had 2 TE's & 1 RB as our reception leaders compared to only twice for WR's, and 2 TE's as our yardage leaders compared to 3 for WR's. We had more consistency at the WR position with guys like JP Losman, Trent Edwards, Drew Bledsoe, Kelly Holcomb, EJ Manuel, Alex Van Pelt, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jeff Tuel, Brian Brohm, and Rob Johnson than we have in the last several years... Those previous WR's were considered not good enough to be "real" #1's most of the time, yet we've just given the label to Benjamin outright since he got here. We joke about guys like TO coming here, yet he managed to have more receptions & receiving yards than any of our WR's the past 2 years, and he had 3 different QB's start throughout that season throwing to him (Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Brohm)! And Eric Moulds? He had some garbage QB play, yet was fantastic with what he was given. Hell, he managed 1,326 yards & 94 receptions with friggin Rob "Headband" Johnson throwing to him half the year! Honestly, this thread could double as a "why Tyrod is as bad as he looks" thread if this were last year, but I digress... It just baffles me that people still want to label Benjamin a #1 WR, even if only an isolated-to-the-Bills #1 WR, when he doesn't show up. If he truly is our #1 WR, we're in more trouble than I thought at the position. We already had one of the weakest groups in the league, but if someone doesn't step up fast, it has the potential to be much worse. Anyway, do any of those above WR's qualify as #1's, or were they just more of "best thing we got right now" options?

You can't call people haters who are simply relaying the facts about him... He hasn't looked good, has never impressed as a Bills player, and is not a legit #1 WR. He may be a good #2 if we ever got a definitive #1, but otherwise he just doesn't do much. That's not hating, that's just his career so far in the NFL. And if he suddenly does have 1 good game, then what? Does that mean he's made it? Just like Josh Allen having one pretty good game, does that mean we're in the clear? Are you going to spring up every other week & tell us when you're wrong? I just don't get the point of defending Benjamin's work here, like we're all blind to it or something.

Have our defense play like they did last week

He's right on the majority of what he says though. In terms of revenue brought in compared to money the taxpayers are on the hook for, these stadium deals are always a huge loss. They don't boost the economy or bring in anywhere close to the revenue spent on them, but they sure help the owner's bottom line. The only problem this time is unless the taxpayers put up for 70% of the stadium or more, it's unlikely that even the owner(s) would see a ROI for a long time. The Bills don't make a ton in operating profits already, especially compared to other teams. With the salary cap raising (along with the salary floor), teams are going to be expected to pay more & more in costs. So that extra revenue from tickets, concessions, PSL's, etc. will likely go to keeping up with the growing expenses, therefore leaving the team making about the same amount of operating income as they are now. As of last year, they made $67 million (which does not all go straight to the owner's pocket), so if taxpayers chip in $600 million, and the Pegula's throw in another $600 million, it'll take them quite a long time to recoup that money. And the taxpayers? Forget about it...they're not getting that money back. But the county can try to offset the costs like Nevada did with increasing taxes on various things, but people have to decide if that's worth it or not. With that being said, I'm not against these types of deals on all fronts, as sometimes just having an NFL team to cheer for & support may be worth the extra financial burden to some. And if people accept the facts that this won't pay off in the dollar-for-dollar sense & still want to do it, more power to them. The Bills are already the least valuable NFL team in the league, and are one of only 3 NFL teams to fall outside of the 50 most valuable sports teams in the world. Maybe this can get them over the hump? If anything, it'll help ensure their viability in the area for years to come. That alone could make it worth it.

Obviously you're kidding, or at least I hope you are.... It's hard to tell lately. Either way it got a chuckle out of me.

As happy as I am about the win, and even happier Allen performed admirably, I'm becoming more & more frustrated with the fandom for being unable to look at events with any nuance or restraint. I will gladly eat crow and admit I did not think we'd win against the Vikings. I was wrong. However, I only apologize to those who GENUINELY believed we'd win based off some deeper understanding & insight that I overlooked & underappreciated, not to those who consistently say each week the Bills will win by double digit scores, and predict 11 to 12 win seasons every year. And that's the problem, the former has become the exception, while the latter has become the norm. All offseason I was blasted for simply pointing out how bad the O-line is setup. I predicted the offense was going to struggle because of that + the WR group we have. I was refuted by saying our WR's are going to be better than last year (based on nothing), our O-line improved (based on nothing...actually people said the losses would be the source of the improvement), and that young QB's don't need a veteran QB, as it's unimportant (though every year those young QB's, experts, coaches, etc. all tell us the exact opposite). The reasoning behind this is simple - Fans, more than ever, isolate themselves & decide ignorance is bliss, and that each year the team is going in the right direction. I'm sorry, but I'm losing confidence in fans here to have REASONABLE discussions & opinions based on logic & evidence. I enjoy many of the posters, but it's hard to find the ones that want to talk football among the others who want to find an echo chamber to bounce their bias off of. Some of that is to be expected, but the majority of it? Why can't we be honest & respectful rather than resorting to insults when someone points out obvious issues? Why accept anything & everything the Bills do, solely because its the Bills who did it? When they make poor decisions, it's ok to acknowledge that. There are far too many posts lately which underline this problem, and highlight just how far away from reasonable thinking we've grown accustomed to. The fact that the Mahomes vs Allen thread is lopsided in Allen's favor is insane enough. Mahomes, the guy who is destroying NFL records in his first career starts, is getting skipped on by the guy who has never done anything in his HS, Junior College, or College career, and had 1 above average NFL game.... But yes, let's take Allen & Tre White over Mahomes + 1st round pick in 2018 + 2nd round pick in 2018 + another 2nd round pick in 2018 (funny how that thread left out the other picks) Mahomes looked like a stud at every level of the game. In college, yes, he played in a spread offense. But so what? How many other Texas Tech QB's were in spread offenses and either went undrafted, or were drafted late as practice squad filler? Mahomes separated himself for a reason. *Mahomes threw for 4,653 yards & 36 TD's compared to 15 INT's, with 63.5% completions in his sophomore year *Mahomes threw for 5,052 yards & 41 TD's compared to 10 INT's, with 65.7% completions in his junior year (an obvious improvement in every area) *Allen threw for 3,203 yards & 28 TD's compared to 15 INT's, with 56.0% completions his junior year *Allen threw for 1,812 yards & 16 TD's compared to 6 INT's, with 56.3% completions his senior year (missed 2 games, but that doesn't account for such a substantial drop off) *Mahomes was such a prolific passer, he set the single-game FBS passing record with 734 yards against Oklahoma (you know, an actual good school), and set the FBS record for total yards with 819 (not to mention 7 TD passes in that game) *Mahomes is only the 3rd QB in college football history to have over 5,000 yards of total offense in more than one season *Mahomes lead the country in yards per game, total yards, and total TD's his junior year. *Mahomes is the youngest QB to throw for 6 TD's in a game in the NFL *Mahomes has thrown the most TD passes through the first 3 games of a season in NFL history, which also set the NFL record for most through first 3 career games. But Allen, man....he could POTENTIALLY be good, he could POSSIBLY put up numbers even close to that one day, he MIGHT become a franchise QB one day, and he didn't do anything notable in college...but hey, why take someone we've seen be great on the field when we have someone that MIGHT be good one day? Why take $1,000,000 in cash up front when we could throw it down in Vegas and hope to get $10,000,000?! I mean, that would be the logical thing to do right? And you know why it's hard to have conversations on these boards? Because people want to knee-jerk react to everything, discredit anything that isn't their's while pumping up everything that is, and throw fairness & reason out the window for "rah rah" antics. Darnold wins a game? Doesn't matter. Darnold loses a game, "HAH! Knew he sucked." Allen looks bad in a couple games, "Doesn't matter." Allen looks pretty good in one game, "See! This is who he REALLY is!" Where did nuance go? When did citing reality become being a "hater" or being called "'negative?" Why are facts offensive, and why are opinions based on evidence frowned upon, while blind faith is applauded? Clearly, I'm frustrated. I want to talk football with people, respond to threads & have engaging discussions, join in conversation with those who share a love for the Bills, etc. I want to speculate on future moves, talk about what the team is missing & how to improve that, compare strengths & weaknesses for each matchup, and just have a good time. But how can that happen when the Bills apparently have the advantage against every team, or how there aren't any major problems, only minor issues that can get shored up before the game, or when every article or breakdown is just "biased media" or "no-nothing hacks" who hate the Bills for no reason? You point to Josh Allen's career inaccuracy issues, and suddenly "accuracy doesn't matter." You point to how QB's drafted on potential, hand size, and arm strength rarely pan out, and it's discredited as being some other QB's "fanboy." I mean, right now the Bills have the most 3 & outs in the league (again), and are on pace to hit a 15 year league high record, but I'm sure that'll be dismissed just like it was last year with Tyrod. Either that, or we'll blame the OC (which I predicted will happen before the season, and the talk has already started) & spin the wheels once more with a new hire to subdue the crowd. Anyway, I'm sure this will be tossed aside by most for not being with the program, or just more "negative Nancy" talk, but I honestly hope to reach a few people on maybe trying to consider it's Ok to have reasonable discussions with people who aren't sold on every facet of the Bills decision making & roster building process. It's Ok to admit other teams have superior X position players than us. It's Ok to acknowledge we've made mistakes in certain areas. And none of what I've said is saying "JOSH ALLEN IS A MISTAKE!" Again, I'm neutral on him for at least this year. Would I take someone like Mahomes over him? Absolutely, but I've seen him play for a long time, and now he's doing exactly what he's always done & at the Pro level. If Allen only does exactly what he's always done, but at a Pro Level, it'll be considered a huge failure. He needs to do what he's never done in order to succeed in the NFL, and that's what has my neutral on him. I hope he can, I will support him, and I will support the Bills, but I can only speak for what the evidence shows. On that note, I wish you all the best, I hope at least a couple people take to heart some things I've said, and I look forward to discussing more Bills news with everyone in the future. Have a great day everyone!

First off, this scenario is an easy pick for any non-biased NFL fan. Anyone saying they'd pass on Mahomes is a homer. Second, if we didn't grab Allen, we'd have extra picks as well. So it should be - A) Mahomes + 1st round pick in 2018, 2nd round pick in 2018 and another 2nd round pick in 2018 or B) Josh Allen & Tre White

Wait, was he really? Never heard that until now

There's a lot of differences between the Bears & Bills... The Bears already had a very good pass rush & solid overall defense last year, then inserted the best defensive player in the league into that team. They also have the same coaches & schemes from the prior year, while we do what we likely will do what we always do & blame the OC for everything, fire him, and start again (speculation obviously). They also have a better O-line, and more talent at the skill positions. Trubisky also didn't turn the ball over much, and we do. On the flip side, he wasn't throwing TD's very much either, so there's that. But with all that being said, there could be a slim chance if our QB & O-line can work together in figuring out how not to get him killed, and get some valuable experience & legit lessons. Then when we get that $90 million in dead cap money freed up, we have a chance at landing some great talent though we may have to overpay. And if McBeane can nail the draft, we have a shot. It could happen, but a lot has to go right.