BigDingus

I'd take ANYONE over Allen, and I think the Bills brass has the same mindset (thank God). Might as well say "I hate my job & don't want a career anymore" if you draft him.

Their breakdown seems weird....just this alone raises tons of red flags - Top QBASE Projections, 1997-2017 Player / QBASE: Philip Rivers 1964 Carson Palmer 1916 Donovan McNabb 1799 Baker Mayfield 1480 Russell Wilson 1288 Peyton Manning 1279 Marcus Mariota 1277 Byron Leftwich 1216 Aaron Rodgers 1216 Ben Roethlisberger 1211 So based on these same metrics, they had Byron Leftwich ahead of Aaron Rodgers & Ben Roethlisberger? Or Carson Palmer above Peyton Manning? I think Mayfield will be good too, but the way they put value on QB's pre-draft projections seems off if these are the results. Darnold having a 52% Bust rating & 4% Elite rating compared to Luke Faulk's 54% & 7%? Wtf is going on there?

All I care about is Texas Tech being in the Elite 8 for the first time ever!!!! Although they'll likely lose to Villanova today, it's been a crazy ride! Hope Kansas wins so they can get beat by Tech in the Final Four

No, it's definitely relevant in context of our franchise futility. It also goes hand in hand with our terrible GM's, coaches, and management philosophy prior to Beane. And in terms of this board, we have yet again countless people in the "kick the can ahead to next year again!" camp...the same people who always say "wait until next year" to draft a QB because they're afraid everyone is a bust if they're not automatically labeled the best QB of all time prior to stepping foot in the league. 100% relevant.

Darnold----Face of Franchise Rosen------Solid Starter (Alex Smith esque) Allen--------Bust Mayfield--Solid Starter (potentially Face of Franchise) Jackson---Weak Starter (backup) Rudolph - Weak Starter (backup)

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2018/3/25/17129282/buffalo-bills-have-never-picked-a-quarterback-in-the-top-10-of-the-nfl-draft-three-teams "Since the NFL merger in 1970, the Bills are one of three teams to never have used a top-10 draft pick at the most important position in the game. Buffalo is joined on this list by the Minnesota Vikings and Baltimore Ravens." "Buffalo has only used a first-round draft pick on a quarterback three times, with one winding up as a Hall of Famer, and the other two leaving Buffalo after disappointing tenures. The last two times the Bills picked a quarterback in the first round, they missed badly on their quarterback of the future." And we've only been to the playoffs a handful of times outside of the Kelly era... We always try the "build a strong team around a game manager" approach, and we end up with the same results. We bring a new coach who has a renewed commitment to a "strong running game, combined with a hard-nosed defense" philosophy. Then we end up as a mediocre, middle of the road team, coach gets fired, new guy comes in & guts the previous regime's roster, and starts the cycle all over again. Hopefully Beane realizes this cycle needs to change & does what needs to be done.

The Colts probably notified Beane that they got a better offer. They let them know what that offer was, and told them the point value of what it was, but not the exact details (as to hide the potential bidder's identity). Beane then had to decide if it was a bluff, and if the Colts were just trying to milk them for more, or if this was true & he'd have to reevaluate his offer. I doubt the Colts just phoned them and said "Hey, the Jets are offering us ________ ! What you got now?"

It also seems the usually 1 of the 2 guys ends up being hits, or 1 of the guys has a career cut short by injuries.

The Bills sure do like to trade with Cleveland for 1st round picks lol

What do the " ^ " marks by Rashad Penny & Baker Mayfield signify?

Some of the strangest superstition I've ever seen in my life, but hey, thanks for posting!

The Browns already have so many damn picks it's insane. Grabbing a boatload more from the Bills would be ridiculous. There's no way half those guys are making the team already, so piling on even more for THIS draft seems like overkill. I'd take picks if they were from the 2019 draft, sure. I mean, more picks is always good no matter what draft class it is, but sometimes it's better to gradually build instead of dump you load on ONE class, and hope they all pan out.

Yup, smart move on their part.

I'd trade all of those names in a heartbeat for any of the top 3 QB's. We've tried the "build a team around a game manager" for 18 years, and it results in failure every time. Not about to start that crap all over again.

I work as an officer in a jail, and suggesting that women can't handle security like men can is ridiculous. I work in a direct supervision facility, where 1 officer is in a pod with 72 inmates at a time...ALONE. And the women there can handle their sh** better than most males. Hell, their command presence alone ends up discouraging people from touching them, whereas the men end up getting hurt far more often (thankfully I haven't been). Just because their was a female guarding Obama and got knocked down, doesn't mean a man couldn't get knocked down. In fact, watch any number of videos during the Bush era & his guards got knocked over plenty of times (my uncle was secret service for him). Many women CAN do security. A 66 year old paraplegic can NOT though...and that's the problem.

Could we really not afford $4 million for 1 year for an above average player at an extremely important position?

But, but, but... "Wait until next year to draft a QB! There's no sure-thing in this draft class!" is the favorite line of 95% of Bills fans come draft time. Year after year, they say next year's class is the one. Then the time comes, they get cold feet since they don't see the next Joe Montana, then decide failing to ever get a franchise QB but not drafting a bust, is better than trying to draft one at all, because hey, he might not be Tom Brady....so why even try? They fail to realize that eventually it'll get so bad, we get stuck NEEDING to draft a QB no matter what, and get stuck with someone like EJ Manuel as our only option because everyone sucks balls.

Everyone knew he'd have a good pro day & combine before either happened! It's rarer for a QB to NOT have a good pro day than to have one, considering they control & setup all the entire event. It's all a well choreographed show, and not even close to representative of being in-game. On the field, he's nowhere close to that good. Why don't you go back & look at what teams are in his division, and who he played against. Here's a hint, the other teams in his conference had the same types of players on their roster too, yet he still couldn't beat them or put up monster numbers! When all your competition has the same level of players, your excuse can't be "I have nobody around me to work with, that's why I'm bad!" The response to that is "well so did everyone else!"

The only way the Bills are interested in Rudolph is due to necessity and the Jets ruining their plans. Rudolph (or anyone outside of the big 3...yes, I'm not counting Josh Allen) was always going to be around, and the Bills were building & preparing since last draft to pick their guy THIS draft. They were obviously planning on Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield, and then with the offseason moves they've made, positioned themselves to move up & grab them. The Jets ruined that, so NOW they're interested in Rudolph or Jackson.

They shouldn't.

AND, keep in mind, Prior to this trade, it was likely only 1 QB would be taken in the top 3, meaning we could grab the #4 slot & comfortably get "our guy." Cleveland also knew this. They didn't HAVE to take a QB #1 overall, and could also rest on their laurels knowing they could select at #4 a QB. They could grab a RB #1, the Giants grab not a QB at #2, the Colts grab not a QB at #3 & then at #4, the Browns get their pick of the litter. Now this forces Cleveland's hand if they really have their hearts set on 1 particular guy. They don't want the Jets to draft him, so they're forced to grab a guy at #1, the Jet's get their guy at #3, and the Bills either get stuck with the 3rd guy left at #4, or are forced to trade away a King's Ransom to trade with the Giants & get ahead of the Jets.... None of this looks good.

Thanks for the spot, had it written down next to me but forgot to add it. Will edit

Also, before anyone wants to claim "it's ok, we can fill other holes!" - we HAVE the draft capital we do for a reason...to grab a QB in THIS draft. That was clear since last year, and even more obvious with recent trades & acquisitions. And looking at this trade, it's easy to see we also could've swung a deal that resulted in us keeping a pick in every single round AND getting our guy. Now, a division rival who didn't have as many resources as we do, manages to swing a trade that has them potentially snagging a guy the Bills were targeting. Even worse, it now means the only way to ensure that doesn't happen is to trade even higher with Giants, costing far more resources than it would have otherwise. Yes, we "can" uses these picks now to fill other holes, but that wasn't Plan A for Bills brass. And they likely won't have this kind of opportunity again, with this many picks to use next year to go after a QB....so we'd have to hope we tank to get another shot like this (while also hoping 2019's QB class is better than this one).

Not that we need yet another thread discussing how the Jets potentially "screwed" us, but I wanted to go into the draft point value of the trade & what the Bills could've (or should've) offered, and what was actually thought to be needed in the first place to trade with the Colts. According to the NFL Draft Value Chart (Walter Football - http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php ), the Colts #3 overall pick was worth 2,200 points. The Jets traded them: #6 (1st Rd) = 1,600 points #37 (2nd Rd) = 530 points #49 (2nd Rd) = 410 points Undisclosed 2nd next year (between 270-580) Total: 2,540 points (confirmed) We were projected to have to trade both our 1st rounders, and a combination of either of our 2nd & 3rd round picks. For example, we could've traded: #12 (1st Rd) = 1,200 points #22 (1st Rd) = 780 points #56 (Our later 2nd Rd pick) = 340 points #65 (3rd Rd) = 265 Total: 2,585 points That would give us a 1st round pick (#3 overall), our better 2nd round pick (#53), a 3rd round pick (#96), and a 4th, 5th & 6th round pick remaining. In other words, we'd still have a full regular lineup of draft picks, 1 in each round with the exception of the 7th. To have a full lineup of draft picks AND have your choice of QB's, at least 1 of which the Bills Management clearly wants, is a great situation to be in regardless of "but we COULD do ____ with more picks!" Sure, we "could" do some other things, but 99% of the time teams are happy going into a draft with a full lineup of picks and not short from dumb trades (see: 2015 Bills draft where we had 0 picks until #50 overall, then only had a 3rd, a 5th, two 6th's & a 7th). Edit: I forgot to add the Bills obviously could offer picks/players/etc. that could compensate for the Jets' 2019 pick that there's no way to evaluate yet. It's done quite often in trades for picks anyway, so freeing up a mid round pick or player isn't some absurd price. So what then was Beane offering? My guess is he was offering both the 1st rounders, and the 3rd acquired from the Browns (2,245 points), and wouldn't budge on anything else. Hell, maybe he was feeling he was on a hot streak, wheeling & dealing with everything going his way and tried to get over on them in terms of point value....offering both 1sts & a 4th or something. Either way, it certainly has thrown a wrench in Beane's plans, because regardless of what anyone WANTS us to do, it's clear the Front Office was setting themselves up to trade into the top 4, and now another QB hungry team has placed themselves ahead of us.

I just don't think he CAN do it in games... His game log looks pretty unimpressive. In 2017, against the only 2 big teams he played, he went - Iowa: 23/40 - 174 yards, 0 TD's, 2 INT's, 57.5% Comp. Oregon: 9/24 - 64 yards 0 TD's, 1 INT, 37.5% Comp. But hey, against, Gardner-Webb he was 22/32 for 328 yards, 2 TD's & 0 INT's.... (and it was his only 300 yard game). For someone who played in the Mountain West, having only a 56.3% completion percentage % throwing for only 16 TD's, while averaging 164 yards a game is not impressive at all. His combine can be look as good as ever, but that rarely means a QB can suddenly play well in the NFL.