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Why would they assume that? They had 3 wins heading into that game, and had a bunch of injuries. Their defense is ranked 23rd overall, compared to our's being ranked 2nd... You're telling me they thought Josh McCown was going to come in & dominate us? Not likely.

With the way Barkley came in off the streets & delivered our biggest win points-wise of the season, Allen should be able to beat them with ease. He also has the luxury of being at home on top of it, so the Jets shouldn't pose a threat.

Because as the past couple decades have shown us, going 9-7 is so common in Buffalo, we can afford to be dismissive of the ones that don't live up to our lofty accomplishments... He managed that after pulling Orton off the couch and using EJ the first 4 games of the season, and we played the Pats first stringers for a half (including Brady), and were still winning. It was a more impressive accomplishment considering how we won than what we did last year getting into the playoffs. In fact, there are plenty of articles about last year's team discussing how that wasn't even close to the best Bills team we've fielded the past 2 decades. It was also the last time the Bills fielded a decent passing offense (finishing 18th)...The best we've done since then is finishing 28th overall in passing offense. Dismiss him all you want, but he & Schwartz had this team headed in the right direction. He also managed to get a Blake Bortles lead Jaguars team to the AFC Championship game, and minutes away from the Super Bowl. That's better any coach we've had since Marv has been able to do, so don't pretend it's some easy feat or else we'd have done the same by now.

LOL yeah... glad Tecmo doesn't make football games anymore. That was hilarious though, just imagining someone doing that in a real game with linemen & DB's jumping at him all over the field made me laugh quite a bit

If only Allen could've used that cannon arm to put some more distance on that final pass... or at the least not thrown an ugly wobbler. Then again, if Clay had better hands, he could've still possibly caught the pass, as poorly thrown as it was. Man...I just really hate losing to the friggin Dolphins, and especially mediocre Tannehill.

Uh what? Why is "inaccuracy" in quotations? You act like he's not definitively inaccurate... Also, it's not an excuse, it's reality. Accuracy is important, considering the primary job of the QB is to get the ball to his receivers, and being inaccurate doesn't allow that. This shouldn't be hard to comprehend. Only Bills fans would somehow convince themselves ACCURACY out of all things, isn't a vital component of a successful QB... Holy s*** people will go to stupid lengths to convince themselves everything is going swimmingly.

Those stats for the Rams would be good enough for #1 overall on our team this year. Our best WR is averaging 38.2 YPG, 3 receptions, and has 4 TD's on the year (compared to Watkins' 8 TD's in 15 games). So even as their 4th most used WR, he'd be our #1 even with the stats he had. In regards to Benjamin, I would be shocked if he didn't play next year. Of course he's going to not look as into the game when you are part of this team compared to being with Super Bowl contenders like the Panthers & Chiefs. He had some of the least WR-friendly QB's throwing to him the past year & a half, and now gets to play on a playoff team, with a likely MVP winner at QB & a great offensive minded coach. The best he had to look forward to here was run blocking, a handful of targets in a loss, and to watch inaccurate QB's attempt to "manage" the game, as our HC wants to hide their weaknesses & limit the passing game as much as possible. The weather ain't great, the losing ain't great, the QB's ain't great, so how excited can you really be? Granted, he's a professional and should still put his best effort forward, but these players are human beings & succumb to the same emotions & pitfalls we all do. It's possible that being a 3rd or 4th option on a dominant team may even help his attitude even more than it would had he been pushed to a leading role. Less pressure, the best DB's covering other WR's, and more TD opportunities in the redzone. Winning, playoffs, more targets, a great QB, these things will all improve his mentality imo.

I blame the Toronto series for my white cheddar Cheeto addiction. I resort to snack foods when the Bills upset me, and that specific snack food was a godsend.

I mean, the dude came off the streets & blew them out in their house, imagine the godly numbers he'd put up in Buffalo! He's already had as many multi-TD games this season as Allen, has a higher completion % than Allen, is the only QB who's played for us this year that has more passing TD's than INT's, and averages 9.28 yards per completion, as opposed to Allen's 6.40. CLEARLY we have our franchise QB right here boys, or at the very least, the J-E-T-S A**KICKER EXTRAORDINAIRE! Hell, you could even give Allen all the 1st string reps just in case you wanna pull the ol' switcheroo after Barkely comes out to start the first drive. Obviously he doesn't need the reps, he proved last time the only reps he needs is with his WR coach throwing to him in a park! GET THAT MAN A PARK STAT! After he drives the field & gets us an easy 7 to start the game, THEN toss Allen in there to really make their heads spin. They'll be so psyched out, Allen can put it in cruise control from there & ride out the game. Barkley's been practicing this week by staring down a 747 on the tarmac at Buffalo International Airport for 7 hours a day, don't let his determination & commitment go to waste!

Lol half this board pretends that passing up on Mahomes was a good idea, so don't judge everyone off that alone. Delusional & stubborn are many a Bills fan. But as much as KB didn't do squat for us, it's very likely he will do great for the Chiefs. WR's that played in Buffalo have their best years before & after leaving here. We are always stuck with awful offenses, coaches that think their only options to build a team are run-first, strong defensive units, combined with horrible QB play & even worse ideas on how to develop them. It's quite likely KB will thrive under Andy Reid & playing with Mahomes. There's no doubt Reid is a much better offensive minded coach, and without question, Mahomes blows anyone we have out of the water. Combined with Kelce & Hill (and eventually Watkins), that's a unit LOADED with potential. Worst case scenario, you have the most dangerous redzone threat combo of players in the league (and it's not even close).

Clay has been open quite often when he's been playing. Our rotating group of underwhelming - awful QB's is what's killing this team. 1. A raw, extremely inaccurate, not able to read a defense rookie with a cannon for an arm 2. A 2nd year, 5th round pick who got yanked around to the point where he was never going to recover from the INT's he was throwing 3. A 78 year old veteran we got in an "oh s***, we f***** up" moment, who hadn't started since Nixon was in office. 4. A guy playing with some children in a park that was called up and asked "you played for USC at some point right? cool, you got the job!" Yes, that's a recipe for success! But don't forget our rookie holds onto the ball longer than any QB in the league (fact), our 5th round pick had a worse passer rating than had he just spiked the ball every play of the game (true fact), the veteran should've been there in the offseason, but then was asked to NOW train our underdeveloped rookie, and the park guy had the best game of any QB on our team this year! Don't forget, the O-line sucks, has given up a ton of sacks, and commits something like a trillion penalties a game! Yay for success! But man, let's get after Clay! When our current starter averages 12 completions a game, and averages 150 yards passing, what would you want to see from Clay? 2 catches for 25 yards a game, with a TD once every 5 games? I mean, in half the games Allen's played he hasn't even thrown a TD pass, and he only had his first multi-TD pass game last week, so it's not like Clay can be held responsible for that too, so I don't get what stats people expect from him? Keep in mind our TOP recieiver averages 38 yards a game ? So if you expect much better, might as well cut everyone.

You don't remember that Dolphins game he tore them up? But really, when you have the likes of Josh Allen, Tyrod Taylor, EJ Manuel, Nathan Peterman & Matt Barkley passing to you, can you really blame him? Tyrod kept us at the 30th-32nd ranked passing offense consistently, Allen flip flops between throwing darts and throwing short wobblers, Peterman throws to the other team more than us, and the others are just happy to be on a roster if they can! Expecting anyone to standout in this mess is ridiculous & unfair. WR's that come here from other teams have their worst seasons in Buffalo. Outside of Watkins, WR's that leave here have their best seasons. It's not coincidence! In a league where teams put up record amounts of points, 300 passing yards in a game doesn't even get noticed, and the rules are set to favor offenses, protect the QB, and encourage passing, the Bills find it a success if we hit 150 yards.... Clay is not a problem, or even close to one of our biggest worries. We need about 4 better WR's before we need a better starting TE. We need about 3-4 new O-linemen before we need a better starting TE. If Allen plays like this next year, we'll need a new QB before we need a new TE. Point being, Clay is the least of our worries.

Yeah... as underwhelming they have been, can we really afford to get even thinner at WR? Yet another one of pre-season criticisms come to fruition. All the over the moon optimists insisted our WR corps was fine, great even. Glad we wasted a 2nd round pick on Benjamin Sadly, it won't surprise me if Benjamin has a great season wherever he goes outside of Buffalo....just like so many others. Their best seasons tend to be before or after they come to Buffalo.

You know who SHOULD sign Hunt? The Chargers. They just lost Melvin Gordon for at least a few weeks to injury, they're a high powered offense, are a game behind in the division at 8-3, have a great QB and have a good chance of competing in the playoffs. They're also in the same division, and play the Chiefs again in 2 weeks.

Wouldn't really be giving him a second chance, as he's already been in trouble before, but I'd still say yes. In that case, yes, tee off good sir.

Remember when we had Karl Malone's abandoned son on our team? Yeah...those were the days

I've always thought the standing bison was so ugly and dull... There's something to be said for simplicity, but a freaking bison just standing there, derping around like the easy targets they were, always bugged me. It just makes me think of a big, dumb target that just meandered around while getting driven to near extinction due to how easy they were to massacre in droves. And with the way our team tends to play, it feels way too fitting. Could just as easily be a hanging sloth, tipped cow, a roasted pig, a beached whale, a meandering camel, a falling goat... I mean, any other exposed, soon-to-be-toast mammal lol

Any time Allen wins while making a few awesome plays, the majority of people are willing to overlook every glaring issue that has remained consistent since long before he was even a Bill. I was really entertained at the beginning of the game, and was impressed by his determination running the ball, but it doesn't change his poor accuracy, his inconsistency (which isn't just due to him being a rookie...he's been that way forever), difficulty reading a defense, holding onto the ball too long, etc. But he has some nice strengths too, and deserves to be recognized for them. I'm worried he'll look like how he did following up the Vikings game though and try to keep every play alive by running the ball, leading to a ton of sacks. He ran for 2 TD's in the Vikings game, then went next week into GB & got smashed around for 7 sacks & a ton of hits trying to do the same thing. And although getting TD's on the ground is great, it's not a good sign when your QB has only 3 passing TD's compared to 4 rushing TD's...and compared to 5 INT's & 5 fumbles. Only surpassing 200 yards passing once in all his starts? He has just as many 100 yard rushing games (well, technically 99). If this wasn't a Bills QB, would anyone honestly see that & think that's normal & a good sign? Only having 1 game of 60% completions, whereas he averaged exactly 50% completions for all other games? Holding onto the ball longer than any QB in the league? I mean, people say we can fix these things, but we haven't seen any progress through this entire season, so what do the coaches have to do different? What makes you believe McDermott, the guy who you've seen handle & evaluate the QB position miserably this entire year, will be the one guy who finally cracks the Josh Allen code & makes him into a QB he's never been, only this time at the most difficult level? He couldn't do it against Mountain West opponents, but facing NFL defenses he'll make that kind of leap? I don't know, nothing like that has ever happened in the NFL, and expecting the Bills of all organizations to do it would be a miracle for the ages.

The BBMB was no different than this. There were some idiot posts, there were some blind fanboys that though we'd go 12-4 every season, there were the downers who practically rooted against the team, and there were those who wanted to just have honest discussions about the team. All of that can be found here.

That's not really being fair... What kind of fanbase bashes their players for simply WANTING to get better & help the team win? That's literally all he said, yet read the comments. It was rude, taunting, mocking, and insulting of a guy who just wanted to work hard & be an improved player, all of which he's done.

Are we? I'd say you definitely grab one if he's legit the best player available. Better to hedge your bets & commit to finding that franchise QB than to just pass on possible great talents just because you hope your current one pans out. But I doubt it'll ever happen, just saying it wouldn't be awful.

So great coach only equals "beat OSU" disregard entire rest of career accolades? How do you beat Ohio State when you're busy coaching the 49ers to 3 straight NFC Championships? You know, the same team that sucked balls for 8 straight years before he got there, and have been abysmal since he left? I mean, I guess he could've played Ohio State when he was coaching at Michigan, but he was too busy leading Stanford...yes, friggin Stanford, to their best years in decades, making them relevant on a National level for the first time in ages. And he's still doing better at Michigan than their last however many coaches, so again, I guess I don't get the "everything means nothing if you don't beat OSU" mindset. If he came here & lead the Bills to 3 straight 11 to 13 win seasons, 3 straight AFC Championship games and 1 Super Bowl, yet we lost to the Patriots in the regular season each year, you'd say that we should fire him & go after someone else? You must REALLY HATE McDermott then...he's coming up way short of even those metrics, and here he is, still our HC. Honestly, I don't believe a single Bills fan on the planet would decline those types of seasons given what we've dealt with the past 20 years. If you say you'd rather have more of the endless mediocrity, you're full of s***

I'd much rather have Jim Harbaugh than McDermott... You'd be crazy if you wouldn't. Regardless of his "big game" W/L record, he at least puts his team in position to play in big & meaningful games, unlike anything any of our coaches have done for over 2 decades. Yes, those 49er's were great before him, and great after him. Alex Smith was a having a hell of a career before he got there. Going to the Super Bowl must suck...and losing by only 31-34 is an embarrassment! Let's go over how awful he was everywhere else too! *****************************DON'T READ FURTHER UNLESS YOU WANT TO READ ABOUT HARBAUGH'S SUCCESS*********************************** -Stanford: Prior to Harbaugh, the last 2 coaches went 10-23 (5-19 in conference) & 6-17 (5-12 in conference). They finished 9th, 8th, 8th, 4th (tied), and 10th in Pac-10 the 5 seasons before he arrived. After he arrived, they finished 7th, 6th, 2nd (tied) and 2nd including a W/L record of 29-21 overall (21-15 in conference), and an Orange Bowl win his final 12-1 season. Stanford finished ranked 4th overall in the AP & BCS rankings. (Summary: doubled yearly win total from 3.2 to 7.25, a 125% increase; Major Bowl win, Stanford's highest ranking ever to that point, and best 12 win season in school history) -49ers: Prior to Harbaugh, the 49ers hadn't made the playoffs in 8 straight years, with a combined record of 46-82, averaging 5.75 wins a year. They finished with a losing record in 7 of 8 seasons, with their best record being 8-8 in 2009. Alex Smith was long labeled a bust, but we'll get back to that. Then in 2011, the 49ers go 13-3 in Harbaugh's first season as the 49ers' HC...hell, his first season as an NFL head coach. Not only does he end their 8 year playoff drought, they make it all the way to the NFC Championship game, only losing by 17-20 in OT against eventual Super Bowl winners the NY Giants. The next year, they once again finish 1st in their division, only this time they become Conference Champs, make the SB, and eventually lose by a FG. In 2013, they go 12-4, make the NFC Championship game again, but lose to eventual SB Champs Seahawks. The following year they go 8-8, with a ton of drama surrounding the GM hating him, the owner sided with GM Baalke & fired Harbaugh. A couple years later, the 49ers fired Baalke & his pick for HC Chip Kelly. Post Harbaugh, the 49ers finished dead last in their division every single year, averaging 4.3 wins a season, going through 3 coaches. (Summary: Record goes from 46-82 pre-Harbaugh, no winning seasons, to 44-19-1 with Harbaugh, to 15-43 post-Harbaugh. Went from averaging 11 wins a year with him, to 3.75 without. Went to 3 straight NFC Championship games & 1 Super Bowl with him, had 0 wining seasons & no playoffs in 12 years before & after him) -Alex Smith: Prior to Harbaugh, Smith had already been labeled a bust. After an abysmal rookie season where Smith went 2-5 as a starter, throwing 1 TD to 11 INT's, and being repeatedly benched. The following year, Smith showed some improvement, but was still mediocre at best, throwing 16 TD's & 16 INT's, 58% completions & 7-9 record. In 2007, Smith played poorly again, doing even worse in some areas, posting a 2-5 record. Out of all QB's that year, only Kellen Clemens had a lower Passer Rating than Smith, who only completed 48% of his passes. Though he got hurt & missed 3 games, he eventually got benched, then put on IR near the end of the year. In 2008, Smith was considered such a bust, he had to enter training camp in a 3-way QB competition between backup Shaun Hill & J.T. O'Sullivan...eventually LOSING to O'Sullivan! Smith was later on told to undergo surgery again, placed on IR, and was expected to be released (and likely out of the league) before the 2009 season. Smith agrees to take a paycut from $25 million the next to years to $8 million over 2 years, new HC wants him to stay on, Smith loses QB competition again, this time to Shaun Hill. Smith replaced Hill 7 games in, went 5-5...his best mediocre play in his career. In 2010, Smith was named the starter, then promptly bombed. Each game he came out to boos, got hurt after going 0-5, then came back & still sucked, getting his HC fired in the process. ***BUT THEN*** Harbaugh gets hired, resigns Smith, and Smith has his best season ever BY FAR, then carrying that over the next year until he got hurt & replaced with Kap. Still, Smith went 19-5-1 under Harbaugh after only winning 19 of 50 career starts in the 6 years prior. Smith goes on to the Chiefs, and eventually becomes known as one of the most consistent, higher level game managers in the league. (Summary: Smith was a bust & nearly cut, lost 2 QB competitions, then became an upper-tier QB & playoff/Pro-Bowl Caliber starter after Harbaugh) -Michigan: Pre-Harbaugh, they went 46-42 in 7 seasons, including regressing in 3 straight seasons. They were 5-7 in 2014, then in Harbaugh's first year jumped to 10-3. With Harbaugh as HC, they have gone 38-13, and have finished the season ranked in the top 12 two out of three times, with this year certainly to be a third time even with today's loss. Yes, not beating Ohio State is a big deal, but his team is significantly improved this year, and are better off with him than without. (Summary: 0.745 win % with Harbaugh, 0.522 win % the 7 years prior to Harbaugh). *************************************************************************************************************************************** Point being, he's SIGNIFICANTLY improved every team he's coached, and has had tremendous success. Most impressively, he was always able to do it FAST, and get the best out of people immediately. Compare that to other coaches who can have years & years and never get anywhere, or all the people who claim teams need to slow improvement over several years before any expectations to win. Harbaugh comes in & turns those teams into winners, and when he leaves, there's a sharp & dramatic dropoff. If it's so easy to do, why have no Bills coaches been able to do the same thing in 20+ years? Why do other teams give coaches like Jason Garret 5-10 years and never get anywhere if anyone can do it? They can't, and Harbaugh knows how coach & get people to buy in. He's also good at maximizing people's talents & getting production out of people others are ready to dismiss. If anyone could get the no-name talent & role player roster we've assembled to punch above their weight class, there's no doubt Jim Harbaugh would be the one to do it. And I'm not even campaigning for him to be our HC, nor do I want McDermott fired, I just think this thread & the knee jerk "I told ya so" while ignoring his entire body of work is completely moronic and wreaks of ignorance.

All-22, PFF & many other analytics actually showed Allen was actually holding back our already weak WR corps. Even though they lack talent, Allen would've needed to get up to their level first before he could be held back by them. We've seen the offense look better under anyone not named Peterman than it did with Allen. Aside from turnovers, even our weak skill position groups were far more effective without Allen on the field. Even our O-line (a unit I despised & ranted on MANY times before this season began) weren't the cause of most of his sacks or hits, as that was detailed game after game. Allen was failing at pre-snap reads, failing to recognize blitzes, and failing to recognize coverage schemes. Allen leads the league in time to throw the ball, and hangs on far too long which results in getting sacked - https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw Even with all that time, he still only has a 54.0 completion percentage, something that he's carried over from JUCO & College to the NFL (ranked dead last out of all qualified QB's) -https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#completion-percentage Even though he only averages just under 6 yards per attempt, he still can't get the ball to WR's. I'm not saying he'll never be good, but statistically he's been awful. And if it weren't for the fluke Vikings game, it'd be an abysmal rookie season. We had an awful passing game with TT the past several years, often ranked 31st or 32nd in the league. Now imagine our dead last ranked passing offense from 2017, and subtract 25% more production. THAT is where we're at now when Allen plays. It wouldn't be a big deal if we were competitive in games, or if he showed he was improving week to week. It wouldn't matter as much if he turned the ball over had he also been chunking up TD after TD. It would be encouraging, even in losses, to see Allen hang 300 yards on an opponent once in a blue moon (as opposed to less than 100 yards in back to back games). These aren't traditionally slow-start rookie QB numbers, and this isn't 1980 either. The game is tailor made for QB's and the passing game, and having thrown for only 45 yards or 69 yards going into the 4th quarter shows you're nowhere close to being an even semi-competent starter yet. I'm sorry, not trying to be mean, I seriously want him to be a badass, but he's been exactly what he's always been, and he's proved every pre-draft knock on him correct thus far. I hope that'll change, I really do.

Jalen Ramsey's the kind of guy that volunteers for the most demanding part of a group project to impress everyone, then keep reassuring you everything's good & on track. Then right before it's due, not a damn person can reach the guy, only to find he's posting stupid meme's & other dumb s*** on Facebook all night...FROM HIS PHONE. Great team player until the facade comes crashing down.