Rigotz

Can we get a third option for: "Don't trade unnecessary draft picks and hope he either falls to us or another good player does?"

If you put any stock into anything Brandon Beane says 1 week before the draft, the joke is on you. 50% chance it's true, 50% chance it's a lie.

Or... we drafted these guys a year ago and two years ago, so maybe it’s simply not time to give up yet? I’m familiar with “sunk cost fallacy” and you’ve misused it.

Clyde Edwards-Helaire sucked this year. I’m sure plenty of people are second guessing him.

https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/article/offseason-research/teams-are-never-first-round-rb-away This is a fantastic write-up on why Playoff teams are "never a first round RB away from Super Bowl." Obviously, very relevant to the Bills and they are specifically mentioned in this article. This also doesn't consider the draft capital we've already spent on Running Backs recently. If you're one of the folks clamoring for Najee or Etienne, give this a read.

They picked a QB top 5 last year. You don't know if he's good or not. Again, if he's terrible, I'm sure they realize that they will have another top pick to go along with several others.

They're capitalizing on other QB needy teams. They're getting a ton of future draft picks in exchange for simply waiting one year to see if Tua is good. If Tua stinks, they will not only have a top pick next year, they will have several others to surround the new QB with more talent. It's a smart strategy. It's the opposite of "clueless."

It’s crazy to see so many people saying “bye bye Jake” when he was a legitimate steal in the 5th round LAST YEAR and none of us have seen him play. He will be on the Practice Squad and hopefully he will be a great backup. Until then, why run him out of town? https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/4/25/21235805/jake-fromm-2020-nfl-draft-stock-fall-bills-georgia

I'm sure I'll get some flack for this one, but Tight End. We have a young, high potential guy in Dawson Knox. We have a decent veteran in Jacob Hollister, who I think will surprise many. I don't think we want or need another raw Tight End prospect. We either need an established veteran who can help us this year, or nobody.

I see a lot of back and forth here on whether he's a good prospect or not. Here are the Top 3 reasons why the Bills simply won't pick him: 1. He's too raw and won't contribute in Year 1. We need someone who can compete now. 2. No production and our current staff values actual production. 3. Another team in rebuild mode will take him earlier because they can afford to wait and he has upside if you're willing to wait 2-3 years.

Here's the real issue with your buddy at work. People labeled Josh Allen an inaccurate bust before he was drafted. Josh's first year wasn't great, so they all felt like they could pat themselves in the back. They didn't take the time to actually watch him in year 2 or 3, so they stood on that hill and were proven wrong again and again. They will probably continue to do so for another year or two and finally you'll start to hear excuses like "his supporting cast is amazing" and "the crowd noise wasn't loud enough." My suggestion is to take a bet with the guy. Last year my friend literally bet me >1K that Josh would be bottom 5 in the league in completion percentage. It was the easiest money I've ever made. Rather than getting frustrated with the guy, just take his money.

Big time culture turnaround: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/15/browns-players-we-stand-in-solidarity-by-exercising-right-not-to-attend-in-person-work/

I strongly disagree that in the end talent trumps everything. The Patriots also took gambles on bad locker room talents when they had Brady and it almost always worked out. Antonio Brown, Randy Moss, etc. It worked out because they had the greatest QB of all time. Not Baker Mayfield. There are endless examples of teams that FAILED despite having a ton of talent. Remember Philly's "Dream Team" that ended up having a losing record? I can think of several teams that "won the offseason" and had a losing record due to lack of team players and culture.

Did anybody actually watch the interview or did you just read the media's BS spin on it? He said everyone is entitled to their own opinion and he hasn't made a decision yet. That's the perfect answer to the question. He doesn't want to get into the political debate that you all seem to want. The same way he doesn't say "yeah the other team sucked, so we beat them by 30" I doubt you're going to hear him say "yeah of course I'm going to take the vaccine because I'm not a dumb*ss."

I think you might be missing my point. The Browns might be improving on paper, but they’re signing a bunch of guys who have proven character issues. Tell me if you spot a pattern with their big signings and let me know if that might cause an issue: - Sheldon Richardson - Kareem Hunt - Odell Beckham - Jadeveon Clowney - David Njoku If they’re really turning things around, why go after Clowney?

Might be a top 3 roster, but it’s a bottom 3 locker room. Clowney is SUCH a Browns pick. All the talent in the world but is the opposite of a “process” guy. The Bills have players on their roster that will die for each other. The Browns have great individual talent. I will pick the “team” every time over the mercenaries.

The value of Ertz at his current salary is a 4th at best. Bills probably walked away after offering a 5th. There’s a reason nobody else wanted to trade for him. Anyone talking about anything close to 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round value only knows the name Ertz and hasn’t followed the production dip. He’s not the same and he’s expensive.

Hey man, I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this ... but Football Outsiders did the same analysis and improved it by adjusting for total # of draft picks and draft position, which was sorely needed: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019 In 2019 the Bills were #7 in total draft return. After adjusting for draft position (they shouldn't be credited for losing), they were #10. In 2018 the Bills were #4 in total draft return. After adjusting for draft position, they were #11. In 2017 the Bills were #2 in total draft return. After adjusting for draft position, they were #2. So you're right that they were VERY GOOD. I agree that they were very good, per my first post. The drafts also don't pass the eyeball test for me... regardless of what numbers stat geeks are putting on them. Name one player we drafted in 2019 who has looked elite. Outside of Josh Allen, name one player drafted in 2018 who is considered elite... Tremaine Edmunds (#16 overall)? Yes, VERY GOOD Front Office staff overall, but I'm not ready to say the best in the entire league.

I would agree with "One of the best front offices." I'm not sold on "The Best Front Office" yet. We're fans of the team so it's easy to get excited about re-signing our own guys, but lets face it: 2019 Draft: 1st: Ed Oliver 2nd: Cody Ford (traded up) 3rd: Devin Singletary 3rd : Dawson Knox (traded up) 5th: Vosean Joseph 6th: Jaquan Johnson 7th: Darryl Johnson 7th: Tommy Sweeney 2018 Draft: 1st: Josh Allen - INCREDIBLE PICK. 1st: Tremaine Edmunds (traded way up) 3rd: Harrison Phillips 4th: Taron Johnson 5th: Siran Neal 5th: Wyatt Teller (Great player, but traded away) 6th: Ray-Ray McLoud 7th: Austin Proehl There really is no better team in the entire league at drafting talent, developing it, and retaining it? I'm sure there is at least 1 team out there that did a better job.

When did I ever say I wanted to do anything? Jesus, everyone is always looking for a fight on this message board. Relax.

Thought this might be an interesting debate. In 2017, as we all remember, the Bills made a big trade with KC: - KC receives 10th overall 2017 pick - Bills receive 27th overall 2017 pick - Bills receive KC’s 3rd rounder in 2017 - Bills receive KC’s 1st rounder in 2018 Seeing as we’re drafting at #30 this year, it’s fair to assume that the cost to move up to #10 will be very similar. Big reason for trading up: With 4-5 QBs going in the top 10, you have a chance at an impact DE, CB, or TE. Big reason for not making the trade: 1st round picks are never fun to give away and we saw what happened with the Dolphins and Texans trade. Would you consider moving up, given that the guy you want is available?

Unprofessional and quit on the team? Both of those guys were all business. They were great and we didn't want to pay them, so they left. Not re-signing Jairus Byrd to a big contract was a great decision. Not signing Stephon Gilmore to be the highest paid CB in the league was not a terrible decision either. You can't compare them to guys like Dareus who took the money and ran or McGahee who said all Buffalo women are ugly.

Did someone say Lamp?

It’s amazing what the NFL is willing to overlook. Antonio brown was accused of worse and seems to have awful character issues, but he’s still allowed to win Super Bowls with his best friend Tom.

Newsflash! With this amazing new Joe Douglas potion they have, they went 2-14 while holding on to Adam Gase for some reason and being the biggest clown show in the league. This might sound crazy, but I'm going to bet with the exact same ownership as they've had the last 20 years, they're probably going to continue to do the same thing they did the last 20 years. A GM change doesn't make franchises like the Jets competent over night.