oldmanfan

But yet they are 5-2. Also look at a team like the Ravens. Different ways to win.

Ok, you’re really reaching the point of being ridiculous at this point. Yes, people know good QB play is important for a successful NFL team. To say people don’t realize that is sophomoric. What people are saying is just what you said above, that we don’t know about Allen yet. And the reason we don’t know is because it takes time to figure out, and it involves a lot more than just the player, I.e. coaching, supporting cast, etc. The difference is you seem to have cast a premature vote, for reasons we can only guess at.

I agree he’s not a franchise guy yet. None of the guys drafted two years ago are, because it takes time.

Got to fix the issue with run defense from last week and get the next win Sunday. Game at a time

I think we all get your act by now. You decided Allen wouldn’t be the guy early on. And you just want to be right. When he throws for 300, I can pretty much write the posts we’ll see from you. Things like it didn’t count because the defense was bad, or that a 60 yard completion was a fluke, or he threw for 300 but it should have been 400. I can’t wait to see what your next straw man will be. For me, I want the Bills to win games, as most of us do. Join in.

What was the score of last year’s Super Bowl? What you youngsters don’t get is that defense wins championships. Oh wait, you know what? I’m wrong. Because you said that very thing yesterday. You said offense wins games but defense wins championships. You are so interested in slamming Allen you can’t even remember what you post. Allen will throw for 300 at some point. Then you’ll have to find some new quasi-stat to go after. Going into this season it was completion percentage. Now it’s 300 yards. I will say again: let Allen be Allen. Figure out a way for the fourth quarter Allen to be that the whole game. Do that everything will be fine.

So let’s say those two losses knock them out of the playoffs. You’d be fine with that. You’ve shown your true colors. Congrats.

They measure success in the NFL by wins, not 300 yard games. You’d rather have a loss. You said it, own it. Allen is like most young QBs. He’s learning. I started a thread this week that they should let Josh be Josh, let him play the way he plays fourth quarters where he’s been more successful. There is no reason you can’t win and develop the QB. And one other thing. If a QB throws for 250 say, and runs for 50, does that count?

I can’t believe we have a poster that admitted yesterday he’d rather see his team lose as long as the QB throws for 300 yards.

Quite true

I said your data is interesting. It doesn’t mean it proves anything. If I felt it was something worth pursuing I’d get with some colleagues and put together a model. I don't though because there are so many different variables that come into play for football it’s hard to make a causative relationship. I commend what you did.

A basic question about statistics is whether you have a large enough sample size to make a statistical argument. I think the OP isn’t making a true statistical argument. He listed out some data, but while interesting it ultimately may not be very meaningful. I mentioned earlier the concepts of correlation and causation. You might list out the number of QBs that have X number of 300 yards gains in Y time. That might correlate to ultimate QB career performance but doesn’t mean it causes such. it’s always interesting to make observations such as the OP made. Statistical validity is something else. Football and success or failure, of an individual player or team, involves a large number of interrelated variables you would have to try and account for in any proper statistical model.

I did above. But you continue to keep trying to come off as an expert when your Winston stance argues otherwise.

Maybe we should go get Winston, the guy you would have traded an entire draft for.

Bingo. Never let facts get in the way of opinion by some around here. When you point out the obvious, that he was mistaken, then you get the deflections. Sad, really. Want to really get him going bring up how he thinks the Pegulas only are interested in money, and how he likes to mash together all of what happened under Wilson with what happens with the Pegulas as if nothing change d in the organization. That's always good for a laugh or two. Yeah, let's just randomly eliminate data that doesn't fit your narrative. That makes sense. I guess that means the Ravens would rank near the bottom if you take away Jackson's yards?

Facts and SoTier often times don't travel the same road.

Interesting read. Reminds me of the old correlation vs. causation stuff I learned in statistics.

Ok, I'll play. I was 4 years old sitting in the stands for the first game at the Rockpile, so I've been a fan as long as the team has existed. Unlike the OP, I like old fashioned football. I like defense, I like guys imposing their physical will on the opponent. I don't think a 35-31 loss if we throw for 300 yards is better than a 17-14 win, as has been expressed by some on the board this week. The best game I ever saw live was the first AFL championship game, and the best play I ever saw was Stratton's hit on Lincoln. Not that I don't appreciate offense, like many I sat in awe of OJ in his heyday, and with Jimbo, Thurman, Andre, and the K gun. But as long as football has been played, the team that physically beats the other team wins games and wins championships. I sit in my basement with the NFL package and scream at the TV every Sunday afternoon. I can't tell you how many times I've screamed "Throw the ball!!" this year as I watch Josh Allen figuring it out. Unlike some, I did not play a lot of football in my younger days, and thus I do not pretend to think I know more about the game of football than the guys coaching the Bills, who have dedicated their lives to the sport. I have my doubts about certain things, like play calls, etc., and express my opinions. But I am realistic enough to know that the coaches have reasons for what they do, even if it sometimes doesn't work. Ultimately the management of the team will be judged on wins and losses; do good and they stay and do bad and they'll get fired. I hope for the former, and if the latter happens it happens. I am not one who is prone to wild swings in emotion. I don't think the Bills were a phenomenal, can't miss team, last Saturday, and I don't think they were a dumpster fire at 4:30 last Sunday. They stunk last Sunday, it happens, now we see how they adjust. When I read the negatives on this board after games like the past Sunday, and how the over-reactions occur (ifre this guy, cut that guy), I just kind of smile and shake my head. Because I have the blessing of history, and I think of what would have happened back in the late 60'/early 70's if the Internet had been around, and what would have been said about Harvey Johnson and John Rauch, or the early 80's with Hank Bullough. I tend to be optimistic about my team because I see no compelling reason why I should be negative. I don't see what one gets out of being constantly negative about a team one purports to root for, other than it being some kind of psychologic defense mechanism. I believe that every successful organization has a plan, or call it a process if you like, to become so. I believe every successful organization I have ever worked for and/or seen also has a successful organizational culture that defines what the organization stands for, and how they drive their success. So I believe criticism of our current staff and their emphasis on process, is completely misplaced. I hope that the Bills win one Super Bowl before I die. And that the Sabres win a Stanley Cup. I hope that the Bills marketing department saw my daughter's video and that they bring her in to sing the anthem one time before a game. I hope the young guys on this team become stars, and that McD becomes our best coach of all time. So basically I have hope. I am a Bills fan now and until I die. Because they embody so many things that are right and good about my hometown. They made my hometown a major league city, and for that I will be always grateful.

So now you want to hijack threads to spew your venom? Nice.

Well, that’s what your doing here. Making stuff up. Mythical fans who agree with you. Bills and McD aren’t perfect. Need to step up on offense, need to recover from that lousy performance last week. But for chicken littles like you, the sky is not falling. i think you’re one of those who want the team to do bad so you can crow on a website about how smart you are.

I was sitting in a bar in Orlando watching the Fish game, and we were all like What the hell? the first half. But then Josh got hot and the D started playing. Fish game Fitz was the good Fitz for a while. I think they were rusty coming off the bye week.

Sure they do. You don’t like him fine. Your need to make stuff up to try and buttress your opinion is sad.

The Browns need a HC that knows how to be a HC and take Mayfield out behind the woodshed.

Belichick is the best ever. McD isn’t at his level. Same for all other NFL HC’s.

Fans certainly aren’t. You are in a decided minority.