oldmanfan

You can play "what if" games all day long. But the bottom line is Allen is progressing and playing better this year than last year. List all the stats about 300 yard games in X amount of time by Qbs that have played X amount of games and have had Y amount of good receivers in Z amount of games in the snow and wind plus about a million other variables that one would want to throw into the equation (and actually need to throw into the conversation to make things statistically meaningful), and it won't change the fact that this season the Buffalo Bills are 6-2, and that their young QB is getting better as time goes on. These comparisons to TT are over the top. The big concerns about TT is he was too tentative throwing, and that he couldn't being the team back in the 4th quarter. Allen has had to dial thing s back a bit because he was too aggressive trying to force passes and he is one of the highest rated fourth quarter QBs in the league. Does he need to continue improving? Certainly. Is there evidence he won't? Certainly not.

Jackson is having a great year. The Ravens designed their offense around his unique skill set. Good for him. And that has nothing to do with how good or bad Josh Allen is playing.

Or you could have a QB capable of leading fourth quarter drives to win. Allen is one of the top ranked fourth quarter QBs this year.

Yep. And Tremaine should watch some of Harry Jacobs

I was at the stadium and saw The Hit. The ‘64 defense was one of the all time great defenses.

Here you go: Nextmanup says: If only it was as simple as "opening up the offense" and telling Josh to go throw 300 yards! If it was in him to do that or be that type of passer, he would regularly do it now, and have been doing it for a while now. He is a slight upgrade over Tyrod, with a slightly different skill set, but about the same output. I do NOT want him to be the Bills QB for the next dozen years! I want a good QB for a change! Keep looking! He's not it!

These comparisons to Taylor are silly. The problem Taylor had was that he was afraid to pull the trigger, and he could not perform in the fourth quarter of games. if you recall, anytime we were down in the fourth quarter with Taylor, we knew it was over. Allen is one of the top rated QBs in the fourth quarter, and they have had to rein him in a bit this year to get him to stop playing hero ball. There is no comparison between the two.

I am of the opinion some of this is classical psychological defense mechanisms by Bills fans who are scarred by the past. People see good things happening this year and they repress that so they don't have to be vulnerable if for some reason a loss occurs. They displace their fear by projecting (Allen is horrible, Allen is OK but why can't he be like X). They undergo regression to go back in time and find another time in Bills history where things didn't go well and project that to today's team (a favorite of some here). Rather than celebrate an excellent record when the D plays good, it's safer to one's psyche to bash the team when the offense doesn't score X number of points. Rather that get excited about wins, it's safer to the psyche to say you only want wins if they are entertaining wins, or if they only win by throwing for a certain number of yards. And so on. Classic psychologic mechanisms at play here.

So here is one poster who has openly said he'd be OK with losing so long as there is a certain number of posting yards. I have a good memory for these things; I was astounded when the poster said this. Still am.

Report post Posted October 29 3tds and 350 yards. This is a pass first, offensive driven league. You cant expect your defense to play lights out every week, and when they have a bad week you lose and lise badly. Thats not balance. Losses suck, but they are inevitable. Its how you lost that matters. 10 straight incompletions and 3 fumbles is not how you want to lose. 350 and 3tds??? Losing on a game winning drive? Acceptable in my eyes.

Wins don't matter. Being entertained does, according to the OP.

Do you work at being obnoxious or does it come naturally? Has anyone around here seriously said Allen doesn't have room to improve?

He's answered that. He wants to be entertained, and to him entertainment is big passing days. Me personally, I'm entertained by victories but to each his own. Because they get behind and have to start throwing the ball to catch up. As opposed to having a defense that holds a team to, say, 3 FGs?

Is there anyone out there who does not think the offense could be better? Buehler? Buehler? The difference is that the OP is obsessed with this 300 yard mark, as much if not more so than how folks were obsessed with the 60% completion percentage last year. There are different ways to score points, you pass, you run. Just two games ago Wentz threw for 172 yards, three yards different than the Bills, but they put up 31 points. Why? Because they ran the ball well. There will be games where we need to gain more yards in the air. Absolutely. There will be games when we gash the other team with the running game. Absolutely. It would be great to have more offensive production. Absolutely. But just remember about the OP: he is on record saying the most important thing to him is to be entertained. I can only surmise than means wins are secondary. As opposed to another poster obsessed with the 300 yard thing, who has openly stated he'd be OK with the team losing so long as they throw for over 300.

No. A pathological obsession.

For some around here football has now turned into Olympic gymnastics or diving. It's not enough to be better than the opponent, now we have to add in degree of difficulty and style points.

All right. This is getting tiring. I'll ask this question. If your team is playing a defense that struggles against the run, should you run the ball to win? Or be stubborn and pass the ball just to gain a certain number of passing yards? You are like a dog with a bone that can't let go. Teams need to do what they need to do to win games. You have said repeatedly you're more wanting to be entertained than to win. The perhaps instead of watching games on Sundays you should go to the movies.

I think this is pretty accurate. I rewatched the second half last night, and thee are a few things to keep in mind with the hysteria surrounding the run game defense in the first half. One, it was really 4 plays that Peterson got loose on. Second, it is Adrian Peterson after all. Third, I don't pretend to know which gaps different guys are supposed to occupy and so on. But there were some things Is aw with the uneducated eye. One is that Star for the most part occupied blockers. Sometimes he got pushed back a bit more than you'd want a stout DT to have happen though. Another was that Phillips also got handled more than I thought originally. Oliver? His quickness was a disadvantage at times; on the one run where Peterson got about 20 yards cutting back against the pursuit, Oliver was 5 yards into the backfield and took himself out of the play. Other times he held position but was not able to disengage from the blocker to make a play. He'll have to work on that. Moose Johnson made a point that the Bills in general the first half weren't disengaging from blockers to make plays. That to me speaks to a physical thing, but McD and staff who know a lot more obviously think it's a scheme thing, and after they changed it up second half it was obviously effective. I still think that line play ultimately comes down to winning physical battles (like to 3rd down play where Gore got stuffed right before Josh scored? Morse got shoved straight back, got completely whipped physically). I'd like to see our defenders win more physical battles up front.

Well I agree to a point. They could be more imaginative. But with your attitude the Eagles would have lost to us because they’d have thrown instead of run. we have a fundamental difference. I think you figure out for a specific game what will win and do that. You think they should just throw all the time and if they lose fine.

I wanted them to draft Watson, so no I have no problem with him. Your answer about Goff indicates why you're wrong about Allen. When Goff got a different OC, his performance shot up. I don't think Daboll is as horrible as some, I also don't think he's that great. The Bills model is to win with defense, running, and a B that makes throws in the short/intermediate range. I started a thread last week saying let Josh be Josh. You look at his performance in fourth quarters, where he is in the top tier of QBs in the league. He has more freedom and is more aggressive through the air. Let him play that way for all four quarters. By the way, you can score over 24 points without throwing for over 300 yards. Or did you not watch the game last week against the Eagles. Wentz threw for 172, and they destroyed us with the run game. Singletary is averaging somewhere around 6-7 yards per carry, I think? it would be coaching malpractice for us to not run the ball.

We all get by now that you'd rather be entertained than have the Bills win. You've listed 5 Qbs above, none of which have sniffed a championship so why you picked them I have no idea. Here's what I know will happen, or at the very least have a very strong suspicion his will happen: Josh will one day throw for 300 yards. Let's say it's either this Sunday against the Browns or against the Fish the following week. Here's what you'll post: 1. Fine, he's done it once but truly good QBs do it consistently 2. Well, he did it but it was more due to the (pick one): poor DBs on the opposing team, poor pass rush by the opposing team, that the WRS bailed him out by making great catches, that it wasn't really a true 300 yard game because X number of yards came from short passes with long runs after the catch 3. And God forbid if they lose the same game, it will be that it doesn't matter that he threw for 300 yards because they lost (and therein completely going back on a month's worth of posts on the subject).

I think you're completely off base here. They are not setting the offense around Allen's limitations, or at least what your bias perceives as limitations. They want him in the pocket more, want him taking the short and intermediate throws, want to run the ball effectively. Allen's completion percentage is up, his picks are down. He is one of the top rated QBs in the fourth quarter in the league, and since you insist on comparisons with others it's interesting your leave that out. The kid has a lot to do yet. Needs to obviously hit some more long passes, needs to continue improving his reads. But you appear to be one of those folks who had decided he was no good on 2018 draft day, and refuse to open your eyes and be objective.

No you don’t compare to the league because it is pretty clear the Bills offensive philosophy is different than, say, the Chiefs. You look at how the individual player is improving over his previous performances. And Allen is improving.

If you don’t see improvement in Allen this year it’s because you don’t want to.

Yawn