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Half the distance to the spot of the foul Edit: if over 15 yards

“Josh Boot” sounds like “Das Boot”

What about half the distance to the spot of the foul?

Gabe Davis seems to fill this role as well. Uses his body to position himself well. Can win in the middle and on the sideline. That’s not to say we need some help in the red zone because clearly we do. I do think, regardless of the red zone struggles, of any WR role we try to get this off-season it will be that twitchy separator who is Beasley’s heir apparent.

Poll oversimplifies the issues, but I said better players because we lost those games primarily as a result of our lines being outmatched.

Thanks for all the great responses everyone! My favorite idea is the thundering buffalo herd with fans stomping along. Maybe even mix the Falls in with the herd. I do like the work whistle idea, too. Checks the “reflect the fanbase” box. Interesting about Amtrak if that’s true. Most logical explanation I’ve seen for the train horn - money talks.

Both are, medicals permitting, currently top notch QB2s who fans generally like.

Eh I don’t buy the curse. Think either would complement Allen well and could start a few games in a pinch. I mean… we need back-ups too.

Obviously all Buffalo’s struggles can be attributed to the 3rd down train horn. Many have voiced displeasure with the train horn, but I recall few suggesting what should be done/played on 3rd down instead. Thundering herd of Buffalo buffalo? Something similar to the Sabres goal horn? Just play the Wilhelm Scream on a loop? Any favorite 3rd down noises / approaches from around the league, college football, or other sports? For example, at Notre Dame the students take out their keys and shake them to make noise on 3rd down. I think something that reflects the fan base and region would be ideal. Interested to hear your thoughts! (Hate to feel like I have to give a disclaimer, but yes I am aware there is a 2019 thread about this. Figured 2 years is long enough.)

Would love either Tyrod or Fitz as QB2 in Buffalo.

It’s an uncomfortable truth: Buffalo should replace its entire interior OL. Do I expect it to happen? No. I think best we get is 2 new OGs w/ Morse for another year after a pay cut. Even more likely I think is they add one new OG and try to roll w/ Feliciano and Morse as starters again. Agree w/ Solomon G that it is wiser to draft OL as opposed to spending big FA $, and I don’t want a repeat of bargain OL. To me, even a 1st round pick is worth it if it figures to net Buffalo a starting C/OG for 5-10 years. It all starts up front.

Agreed it starts up front and both our lines are subpar. I think it’s not limited to run and stop the run. Allen gets pressured consistently and it seems to me opposing QBs don’t. I think we can get away with starting Edmunds if we bring in a DT who is better than Oliver to pair with him. But yeah, maybe all 3 interior OL positions… yikes!

Are we able to part w/ his contract yet? Or do we still have to pay an inordinate amount to cut ties?

^ McDermott after he’s asked why his team’s lines consistently get outmuscled

I kind of enjoy having a coach who has done so well 7-5 seems disappointing

For O-line-knowledgeable people - any chance Doyle could challenge for an OG spot?

FWIW I believe NE* were +4 minutes in TOP.

Buffalo’s offensive line is clearly a liability in run blocking and frequently allows Allen to be pressured. Dawkins and Brown are the only offensive linemen with long term starting upside on the team at this point. Maybe Doyle, but his upside is likely swing OT. We need 2 new starting OGs and a starting C. Feliciano, Williams, Boettger, and/or Bates are good depth if they can be had at decent $. Buffalo’s defensive line cannot stop the run well enough and is inconsistent in pressuring the opposing QB. The future of the defensive line is Oliver for sure, seemingly Rousseau, Epenesa, and Phillips, and hopefully Obada and Basham. We need a starting DT and possibly a starting DE, especially if Hughes, Addison, and Lotulelei are jettisoned. I’d really like a DT above Oliver’s caliber to pair with him.

Silver lining I’m hoping is McBeane really see where we are weak and address the lines adequately. If 2021 was the OT/DE off-season then I hope 2022 is the OG/DT off-season. If Diggs or Knox makes their big catch and we win, we might chug merrily along thinking we’re better than we are.

Thanks as usual! Agree: unnecessary roughness call was correct & I can’t wait for chips in balls Disagree: we sucked at run defense & Diggs drop should not be in quotes (he and Knox gotta come down with those balls in the end zone as supposed WR1 & TE1) Part of what makes this game so frustrating is that Allen gave us a huge advantage of being able to throw as opposed to NE* with Jones, but we failed to use that advantage both with poor play calling and execution. Another part is that we regularly get outmuscled on both lines.

Agree with OP but especially as to our lines - give me an off-season full of big uglies!

Until I have evidence to the contrary I think we get outmatched on the lines again.

That fool-proof super team lost 5 games and didn’t win its division. Edit: I can say with certainty Tom Brady has nothing to do with Buffalo’s struggles on run defense to date.

Belichick is the GOAT HC. Brady is the GOAT QB. We have one season with the two on different teams. It resulted in NE* out of the playoffs and Brady winning it all.

Ok because that super team won the Super Bowl the year prior without him? Or did they go 7-9? I hope if Allen wins the Super Bowl with a good supporting cast you and others don’t apply this “logic”.