JohnBonhamRocks

Was just refuting that we have no one to go deep. Not arguing Brown, Lewis, or Ross are super talented.

100% believe Patriots* organization is Winning Culture Exhibit A

I don't remember Watkins lowering his head to pick up a 1st down. He's talented, but that doesn't mean he's one for contact or going over the middle.

I would like to see: - Taylor rip the ball to a TE in the middle of the field for about 15 yards by throwing him open - Williams continue to produce and hang onto the ball - Boldin catch some passes - Jones do the same and look like Boldin - Streater to look like his camp reports - Dawkins at LT (although apparently not going to happen) - the same from Yarbrough as last week - Ragland hit someone like his highlight tapes - Gaines

Philly Brown ran a 4.37 Dez Lewis ran a 4.4-5 Rashad Ross ran in the 4.3s No speed

So me thinking that an injury prone WR might not be well-suited for going over the middle and taking hits, and the 7-game streak of poor performance pointed out earlier in the thread is cherry-picking... but a GIF of Watkins catching an out on a guy who is as of right now unemployed? Proof he's physical. OK. Sure. Does Watkins really strike you as a WR who relies on the physicality of his game?

You're not going to like this... but injury history. Plus, his game is more about finesse than contact.

Ragland for Mahomes?

Matthews' career: 346 targets, 225 catches (1.54 targets/catch) Watkins' career: 276 targets, 153 catches (1.8 targets/catch) BTW for long catches (just by looking at the long for each game log and taking those 30+ yards): - Matthews has catches for 44, 40, 33, 30, 43, 78, 41, 30, 32, 33, 54, and 32 yards in his career - Watkins has catches for 43, 42, 35, 84, 30, 38, 37, 48, 47, 53, 48, 63, 39, 53, and 62 yards in his career I think he would struggle going over the middle. Great on the outside though.

I think the focus on "big play ability" is telling. Do we want long TDs? Sure. We've got guys who run in the 4.3s and 4.4s who can provide that. What we really need though is "consistent play ability" meaning the guy who might not be flashy, but who is performs like he should week in and week out. It's the seasonal luxury sports car vs. daily reliable car debate. I like getting from point A to point B every day, not just 50-75% of them.

Right? Those who like the trade are at least willing to say that Watkins has more natural talent, but those who oppose it seem unable to grasp the importance of availability and it's impact on production. Back to the issue though, there's no way any of Matthews, Jones, or Streater can run a fly against an NFL corner...

But YPC! Matthews just can't go against NFL corners. Only Watkins can do that.

Does this mean you don't view the 40 as an effective way to measure speed? Obviously the guys have to be able to play, too, but Matthews has already shown he can, Streater had a good camp, and Jones was the most productive WR in college football the past 4 years.

Wonder if they told him about the injury misdiagnosis and asked, "You mad, Breaux?"

Streater: 4.37 Watkins: 4.43 Jones: 4.45 Matthews: 4.46

16 games? I'd say 65-70 catches, 900-1000 yards, and 7-8 TDs

Divas typically produce memoirs eventually, so we may know once that gets released.

Jordan Matthews

Apparently the Westin has robot-delivered room service... if that's a deal maker or breaker.

Hoping McDermott's approach to training and the new staff combine to decrease the injury number. BTW our WR corp ain't half bad, and it got better from last year: 2016 top 3 WR stats (Watkins/Woods/Goodwin): 108 catches, 1474 yards, and 6 TDs Average of Matthews & Boldin's last 3 years + average projections for Jones: ~188 catches, 2224 yards, and 14-15 TDs

For citation purposes, this was said yesterday on WGR and I think they mentioned the LA Times for Watkins' quote. Not sure for Darby, but assuming the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Could've been an audition. Could've been Taylor just chose to throw to Watkins. Either way, it's done, I don't think whether or not McDermott was aware matters all that much, and fans should inspect anything coming out of OBD through a critical lens.

$15.682 million for an average of 12.3 games played, 51 catches, 820 yards, and 5.7 TDs per year? Terrible value.

Bobby Shaw

I agree he's more talented. I just value availability and consistency over talent and potential.