JohnBonhamRocks

Not sure why the difference between talent and production is so difficult to understand.

Great argument strategy: don't respond to any content and name call.

This.

Theory: more explosive players should have good YAC stats. Discuss.

They missed the FG! We rock!

sorry for posting stats and making sense *Update on our WRs who can't stretch the field: Jones for 22 followed by Streater for 28*

Because obviously in the NFL talent/potential > production/consistency

A running-oriented WCO team will not a $15-16 million/year WR who hasn't gotten YAC pay.

Or maybe it's because he's soft.

Our system is suited for guys who get YAC. We traded away a more expensive guy who isn't good at getting YAC and obtained a less expensive guy who is pretty good at getting YAC. Where's the disconnect? (Edit: added more expensive, less expensive)

So the Combine and OTAs mean nothing because everyone is in shorts. Some WRs can be successful with 4.4-5 speed, so long as they don't play for the Bills currently. Watkins would have been good in this WCO, but it doesn't matter that we traded for a WR with better YAC stats - it just matters that we lost one deep threat. Zay Jones' college production doesn't matter, but let's talk about how Watkins was good at screens at Clemson. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

Not to mention, the WCO Dennison is going to run needs guys that can get YAC, not necessarily catch a deep ball here and there. 2016 Matthews: #78 in NFL (all players) with 256 YAC and 3.5 YAC per reception Watkins: not listed in the top 300 players in the NFL 2015 Matthews: #23 with 433 YAC and 5.1 YAC per reception Watkins: #143 with 167 YAC and 2.8 YAC per reception 2014 Matthews: #26 with 426 YAC and 6.2 YAC per reception Watkins: #49 with 349 YAC and 5.4 YAC per reception Let me guess. Now YAC isn't important in the NFL... (Edit: source https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/yards-after-the-catch/2016/) DeAndre Hopkins in 2015: "Sammy or somebody said, 'Look, bro, you and me last in YAC,'" Hopkins said. "We were first in balls over 40 yards. It kind of evens out. There's a lot of things I can get better at as an individual, knowing where defenders are, having a better awareness. Those are things I can work on." (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000636124/article/deandre-hopkins-wants-to-fix-his-yac-problem)

Goodwin is a nobody, but we still considered him a deep threat last year, no? I think most fans did. You can keep ignoring that I'm conceding half of them aren't that talented if it makes you feel good, but I'll keep refuting I said it. For Matthews, I think you'll remember I posted this yesterday: "BTW for long catches (just by looking at the long for each game log and taking those 30+ yards): - Matthews has catches for 44, 40, 33, 30, 43, 78, 41, 30, 32, 33, 54, and 32 yards in his career - Watkins has catches for 43, 42, 35, 84, 30, 38, 37, 48, 47, 53, 48, 63, 39, 53, and 62 yards in his career" Streater has consistently made long catches in camp, but I'm sure the goal posts will be moved to not just guys who can do it while the pads are on, but against only 1s and only during regular season games. He's been more of an intermediate guy in the past couple years (catching a lot of 15-20 yard passes), but I'm assuming his catches of 26, 48, 27, 36, 66, 44, and 28 in 2013 are just too far back to count for anything. Same with 2012, there's no way his catches of 38, 58, 64, 25, or 23 mean anything. Zay Jones? He had catches of 33, 33, 26, 20, 21, 51, 39, and 77 at ECU last year, but I'm sure the excuse for that is he was only the most productive WR in college. The focus will be that he played against West Carolina, UCF, USF, UConn, Tulsa, and SMU, not Stanford, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Navy, and Temple. Just because Watkins is really fast, doesn't mean other WRs don't get to be fast too.

What are you disagreeing with? Either: (1) That I said we have guys that can go deep: Matthews (4.46), Jones (4.45), Streater (4.37), Brown (4.37), Lewis (4.46), Ross (4.36)? or (2) That I said Brown, Lewis, and Ross are not super talented? ("Not arguing Brown, Lewis, or Ross are super talented." - Me)

"Majority of his catches were in short to medium routes, so deep ball was rarely utilized." https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/4/19/15346206/2017-nfl-draft-profile-zay-jones-east-carolina-pirates-wide-receiver-aac-combine-measurements-ecu

It's a shame we don't get to see any Matthews vs. Darby for this match-up.

Was just refuting that we have no one to go deep. Not arguing Brown, Lewis, or Ross are super talented.

100% believe Patriots* organization is Winning Culture Exhibit A

I don't remember Watkins lowering his head to pick up a 1st down. He's talented, but that doesn't mean he's one for contact or going over the middle.

I would like to see: - Taylor rip the ball to a TE in the middle of the field for about 15 yards by throwing him open - Williams continue to produce and hang onto the ball - Boldin catch some passes - Jones do the same and look like Boldin - Streater to look like his camp reports - Dawkins at LT (although apparently not going to happen) - the same from Yarbrough as last week - Ragland hit someone like his highlight tapes - Gaines

Philly Brown ran a 4.37 Dez Lewis ran a 4.4-5 Rashad Ross ran in the 4.3s No speed

So me thinking that an injury prone WR might not be well-suited for going over the middle and taking hits, and the 7-game streak of poor performance pointed out earlier in the thread is cherry-picking... but a GIF of Watkins catching an out on a guy who is as of right now unemployed? Proof he's physical. OK. Sure. Does Watkins really strike you as a WR who relies on the physicality of his game?

You're not going to like this... but injury history. Plus, his game is more about finesse than contact.

Ragland for Mahomes?