Kirby Jackson

That’s kind of my thought. I wouldn’t hate a WR at 9 (or Jonah Williams if he is there). I think it’s a slight reach but both are big needs. At 15, I’d love it. The way that I’m looking at it is this Bills team lacks talent (specifically on offense). They should use FA to upgrade the overall talent level. Sign a guy like Paradis and then move Bodine to a depth guy. Sign Darryl Williams and Mills with Mills being a depth guy. You can start to upgrade the talent level prior to the draft. That way when the draft rolls around you have the flexibility to get the best players regardless of position. If they can get 5 of the 1st 100 picks (basically that a Washington trade) they can give the offense a jolt. As a hypothetical they could do something like: 15 - Metcalf 40 - Dre’Mont Jones 46 - Josh Jacobs 75 - Ross Pierschbacher Compensatory at the end of the 3rd - Anthony Johnson Some of that may be wishful thinking but guys fall all of the time. This would put the Bills in a great spot.

I agree, I’m just not sure that a guy is there worthy of that top 10 pick. I think that the biggest needs for the Bills are OL and pass catchers. IMO, this draft has a lot of guys on day 2 that fill those roles. Ideally, I’d like them to trade down with the Redskins. Pick 9 & a 4th for pick 15, a 2nd and a 3rd. That would give the Bills 5 top 100 picks and can really boost the overall talent level. If they stay at 9 it almost certainly has to be defense IMO. That’s just where the talent is.

1. Bosa 2. Quinnen Williams 3. Devin White 4. Josh Allen 5. Ed Oliver 6. Clelin Ferrell 7. Jonah Williams 8. Greedy Williams 9. Rashan Gary

It’s not even “hang” as stay within 4 TDs. People are acting like it’s asinine to think that’s possible. If you look at the personnel though it isn’t that crazy at all. The same goes for Clemson. Some people say, “we’d run all over them.” I look at it and think that they have 2 DTs, and a DE that will be off the board by 20. Am I supposed to believe that Bodine, Miller, Teller, Mills and Dawkins will physically dominate those guys? I certainly don’t believe that. Lawrence, Wilkins and Ferrell are better football players TODAY than any guy on our OL.

That’s all it would be. It’s totally unnecessary. I’d just rather have that than this damn ring sitting in a drawer.

Again, we started a backup and a walk-on (both undrafted) from Alabama. I don’t know how some can be so blind to the “talent gap” when we are starting their “guys.” We aren’t talking about stars, we are talking about “guys.” We plugged them in as rookies and the team improved drastically. These guys aren’t different players than 6 months earlier. They just wore a different jersey.

He also beat a bad NFL team.

Yeah, I’ve never been a watch guy. My friend’s dad owns a couple of jewlers (not sure if that’s the right tense). I just talked to her because they do pre-owned rolexes. I’m trying to just make a straight trade, this ring for a watch. She said her dad would hook me up but who knows. I really want to get this thing out of here and I know that just selling it will result in pennies on the dollar. The research I’ve done says to expect 50% of what you paid at most. If that’s the case I’d rather take a watch that’s 50 to 70% (retail) of what I paid. I also think it could be an investment. They hold their value and it may help me in sales. When meeting with CEO’s and owner’s there is something to “looking the part.” It may be a sub-conscious thing but I think it helps. It is not something that I need but I’d rather have that than a little money that I just bleed away on nonsense.

Sorry for the confusion. Foster was a back up. Wallace was a walk-on that really came on as his career went along. I didn’t mean players plural. I meant that the rookies that we had were “worker bees” at Alabama not stars. The talent level is just insane at Alabama, Clemson, UGA, OSU and to a lesser extent Oklahoma.

As some of you know I broke off my engagement about a couple of months ago. I did take the ring back. I’m not sure what the move is there but I feel pretty good about it. At any rate, I’m thinking about trading it for a nice watch. I don’t really need a nice watch but as shallow as this sounds I think it helps in my line of work. If I’m going to meet with these prospects and have a nice watch on it gives off a perception of success (not a failed engagement ha ha). Does anyone have a nice watch that they love or regret purchasing?

Foster, not Wallace That speaks to my earlier point that the biggest gap is a mental gap not a physical one. The physical gap is minimal. The gap is a mental one (even from a Saban coaches team). The gap is smaller than coming from Richt (for example) but it exists. They just don’t do the same amount of studying.

9 and a 4th for 15, their 2nd and one of their 3rds is a deal that I’d do in a heartbeat. This would give the Bills 5 players before the end of day 2.

Again, I’m not talking about “insert coach here.” We are talking about Alabama and in turn Saban. They are at a different level. We aren’t talking Miami and Mark Richt (or formerly Mark Richt). The move from Saban to the NFL is minimal (which is why his guys flourish so early).

Foster was the backup. I have a good friend that played for Saban in college and Belichick in the NFL. There is virtually no difference between the 2 according to him (except Saban is much more vulgar).

Again, stop using “win or cover” interchangeably. Cover is the question. Alabama IS A team of 19-22 year old pros. We are starting their backups!! Every single guy that starts there will be in the NFL. You need to pay attention to recruiting to understand that. The recruiting world has changed drastically in the last 5 years. This conversation has changed drastically because of it. These aren’t regional teams anymore. They are all-star teams assembled with the best players around the country. They are young pros not yet in the league. They are at these schools because they prepare guys for the next level. Alabama pays their strength coach more than Akron pays their head coach. No reasonable person talked about an outright win. I started the thread when I saw the post from Westgate Las Vegas. It was ALWAYS about 28.5. Some people elected to change the narrative to strengthen their case. I did, and still believe, that Clemson and Alabama could be within 4 TDs of a bad NFL team. They certainly have more 1st rounders playing than any NFL team does. There isn’t a talent gap, size gap or speed gap. There is an experience gap that is massive. We literally plugged in a backup WR that would have been their 4th or 5th option (Jeudy, DeVonta Smith, Ruggs, Waddle and Irv Smith) this year and he was our number 1. This conversation can’t be had with someone that doesn’t follow the specific personnel. You cant look at this situation and say “no college team could cover.” You need to analyze the matchups to see where the issues would lie. The interior DL of Alabama and Clemson would give FITS to Bodine, Miller and Teller. The guys at Clemson will both be off the board by 20. They are better now than any of our interior OL. Ferrell will be a top 10 pick as a pass rusher. Are we supposed to believe that Jordan Mills will shut him down? Trevor Lawrence is thought of as the best QB prospect since Peyton. Ettiene is going in round 1 next year. The receivers are young but loaded, etc... I don’t know how anyone paying attention can look at the specific players and not see this? Sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling “LA LA LA LA LA LA” doesn’t move the conversation forward. This isn’t a conversation that can be had at 10,000 feet. It needs to be held at the player level.

Another sad story about a former Bills player grieving. I always liked NRC. Hopefully he can find peace with tragedy. http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/39705/lifetime-of-sorrow-hasnt-taken-everything-from-rams-cb-nickell-robey-coleman

By the way I LOVE Antonio Brown back to the Steelers at 15:1. That is PHENOMENAL value.

Why do bad things happen to good people?

Win and cover 28.5 points can’t be used interchangeably as you are trying to do. No one talked about winning. Vegas talked about 28.5. That’s where Las Vegas would have set the line at that point. It never was an asinine discussion. At that point in the year the Bills were on pace for one of the worst offenses of all-time and Bama was rolling. The Bills then inserted a backup rookie WR from Alabama and their 2nd corner into the starting lineup and improved greatly. Do you not see the irony of this? The Bills leading receiver was a backup at Alabama and realistically would have been their 4th or 5th option if he were still there. Wallace was a walk-on. We aren’t talking about former Alabama stars (although Wallace finished his career strong). We are talking about the “worker bees” of their program making a massive difference on our team as rookies. I’m going to bow out of this now because otherwise it will keep going round and round. The point was that it is possible that 1/3 of the 1st round (Miller is projecting 1/4 but not including Lawrence or a few others that can go in the 1st) is made up of guys from those 2 schools. People keep referring to “a college team” and the point was these 2 teams are different. Clemson best ND by 30, Wake Forest by 60 and Louisville by 61. Those are all good to great college programs. Their talent and program is in a different league than Clemson. The conversation was never about “a college team.” It was about 1 (now 2) very specific examples that have won the last 4 titles. These programs are young pro teams not good college teams. If you are playing there now, you will be playing on Sunday. That’s where recruiting is. The question was, and is, “would a team full of NFL players that are 19-22 cover 28.5 against a low end NFL team?” That was the question that Vegas raised.

Not trying to go down this road again but in Matt Miller’s latest mock draft 8 of the 32 picks are from Clemson and Alabama. That’s 25% of the first round (and a zillion guys not yet eligible or coming out). The point remains, these aren’t teams with a handful of NFL players. There will be 50 guys on those rosters that will be in the NFL and 20 that will be 1st rounders. No, no they wouldn’t beat an NFL team (no one ever said that they would). No, they wouldn’t be physically dominated by bad NFL teams either. The guys that are there are bigger, faster and stronger. That’s why they go so early.

I voted in a heartbeat even though they can get a great player at 9. I’m thinking 24 and 27 would get you something like Dre’Mont Jones and Hollywood Brown. I think that’s better than Gary or someone like that.

No, he’s not a good player anymore. I’d rather a young athlete that can develop with the going core.

Nice!!

I love America!!

Yeah, they are pretty terrible. Kylie Jenner is worth $900M!!! How?!? For what?!? She’s still a smoke show though.