Kirby Jackson

Another good player goes to a great team. He will help them. I was hoping that he’d stay in the NFC but 🤷🏻‍♂️

If I had to pick someone to play QB for the 2025 season, I’d pick Allen. Lamar would be next. Burrow would be 3rd and Mahomes 4th. Yes, that’s what I would pick. Mahomes hasn’t been the reason for their success over the last few years. He’s been good in the clutch and they’ve had crazy luck (12-0 in 1 score games). I think those other guys impact games more now than Pat does. You’re free to put out your list 1-32…

No. If I had to pick a QB to QB a team for an entire season, Lamar would be my second pick behind Josh Allen.

I won’t speak for others but you don’t need to think for me. I think Lamar has been the better player over the last couple of years.

I had him in a tier with Baker, Herbert, Goff, Dak and Stroud. I put him at the top of the tier because he has won one. I kind of used that as a tiebreaker but I’m talking out of both sides of my mouth because I had Hurts and Daniels in the same tier and put Daniels above him (which I could easily have the other way). There were some that just came down to the “eye test.”

Again, you’re free to put together your own list…

Mahomes would be my answer because he’s been so clutch. Along the same argument though, you’d pick Hurts over Lamar or Burrow in the same situation. He’s been more clutch. I wouldn’t take Hurts over either of those 2 (and I’m higher on Hurts than most). I try to look at it as if, “every QB was in the exact same situation what would happen?” There are so many other factors. I know Mahomes is clutch. I know Hurts is clutch. It doesn’t mean that I think either is better than Lamar each week in 2025. It depends on how you define best I guess.

I get it and think the world of Mahomes. I just think they’ve been better. Hurts eliminated Mahomes last year but I still think Mahomes is better.

Fair and figured that would be controversial. Over the last 2 years, all 3 have been better IMO. It was so hard for me to put him there but those guys have been better for 2 years. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I did the same thing. I had to remember so many times trying to get to 32. 🤣🤣 I could have switched it around 400 times. 🤣🤣

You have Purdy twice and no Saints QB. Lol, I was trying to figure out where Shough was.

Thought this would be a fun exercise. We all have opinions on different guys. Instead of using this thread to disagree with someone else’s list, go on record ranking the QBs how you see it as of today. Here’s mine: 1. Allen 2. Lamar 3. Burrow 4. Mahomes 5. Daniels 6. Hurts 7. Stafford 8 Baker 9. Herbert 10. Dak 11. Stroud 12. Goff 13. Love 14. Nix 15. Purdy 16. Geno 17. Kyler 18. Tua 19. Darnold 20. Lawrence 21. Ward 22 Maye 23. Rodgers 24. Caleb Williams 25. Young 26. Penix 27. McCarthy 28. Fields 29. Russell Wilson 30. Richardson/Dimes 31. Flacco 32. Shough

Cookie would have been the guy for sure. He too was before my time but feel like it would have passed the sniff test. I tried to limit the guys before my time to the HOFers (OJ, Shaw, Joe D). That’s not ideal but felt it was the fairest way for me. I’m always interested to hear from you guys that have been here from the start.

Yeah, I intentionally left of a TE because it would have had to leave off Thurman or one of those WRs. I just didn’t feel right about it as they were all better players. Warlick would have been my choice even though he was before my time. The Bills haven’t had good TEs in their history.

I was thinking about this differently. I was thinking, “what would my all-time, Bills starting lineup be?” The late 80’s is as far back as my memory goes. I’ve included HOFers before my time but not savvy enough to know if Sestak/Byrd/Edgerson/Cookie belong. I’ve also made some executive decisions because WR & RB have been better than TE. This is ONLY for their time as Bills (sorry TO) here it goes: QB - Allen RB: OJ RB: Thurman WR1: Andre WR2: Moulds Slot: Diggs LT: Dion LG: Joe D C Kent Hull RG: Shaw RT: House Ballard DE: Bruce DE: Mario Williams DT: Ted Washington DT: Kyle Williams OLB: Takeo OLB: Biscuit MLB: Talley CB: Winfield CB: Clemens S: Jones S: Poyer KR: McGee ST: Tasker K: Christie P: Moorman HC: Marv OC: Marchibroda DC: Schwartz

Exactly!! Kelly in hindsight is much better than Kelly at the time. Eli Manning may be a fair comp for Kelly. He was, in his era, like Kelly was in his. The Giants didn’t win as consistently as the early 90’s Bills but they managed to win the 2 big ones (that happened to be against Brady). Eli was always considered a very good QB. He was never considered Brady or Brees or Peyton or Rodgers. Kelly belongs in the HOF. I said earlier that he is like Mike Mussina in the HOF as opposed to Willie Mays in the HOF. That felt like a decent way to articulate it. He was a great player in his time but was never considered to be one of the top few players during his era. That’s Josh. Josh has been in the top tier for at least 5+ years. Kelly wasn’t ever in that top tier. That was Montana, Elway and Marino. Later in his career Favre and Young were there. Kelly was in the Warren Moon tier.

I wish Kelly didn’t predate you here. I’d be super interested in your perspective. He would call whole games pretty much at the LOS. It was wild. Josh gets that “sugar high Josh” at times. Exactly what you said would give me some pause in him doing more at the LOS. I’d say he’s good at it. Kelly was one of the best ever at it. Lol, I’m sorry and know that’s a little controversial. Hurts is a top 5-10 QB. Kelly was closer to 5 but Hurts has been elite in 2 Super Bowls. He’s won one. He may very well win another. FWIW, I definitely have Kelly over Hurts but in a few years that could change. If Hurts wins another and plays well, he has the better career IMO.

So Trent Dilfer is better than Allen? Jalen Hurts? Brad Johnson? Nick Foles? Jeff Hostetler? Those guys must be better than Kelly too because they WON Super Bowls. That’s the dumbest argument ever made. Someone said throw the deep ball earlier and that’s fair. Kelly was also elite calling the game. We haven’t seen that from Allen. When I compare players, I compare them vs. their contemporaries to avoid the “game was different back then” argument. Josh Allen is the MVP of the league. He’s been a top 3 QB and top 10 overall player for 5 straight years. Jim Kelly wasn’t that in his era. He was, and people hate this, a lot like Hurts is now. He was in the next tier of QBs and had the best roster in football. He was the right guy for them. If Josh Allen quarterbacked those early 90’s team they have AT LEAST 2 Super Bowls. If Jim Kelly quarterbacked these Bills teams they would look a lot like Bucs do now.

Fair and I always look at this through the lens of their Bills career vs. whole career. Lofton’a career was a HOF career. Ironically, TO would be WR1 if we used their whole careers. He was fine in his season here but he wasn’t the guy that took over a Super Bowl on 1 leg.

Some great additions there. I forgot about Evans candidly 🤣🤣. Your placement of him seems fair. Brown and Price were my next 2 in no particular order. Well done!!

No but I am going to question if you are judging with how you feel about one vs. how they performed. Diggs was one of the best WRs in the NFL when he was here. Lofton was a role player. He had 1 really good year in Buffalo (1991). He was 2nd on the team and 9th in the NFL in yards and TDs. Diggs had multiple years here well above that. He did that as the focus of the defense, not the 2nd best pass catcher. Diggs is an idiot. He was a much better player in a Bills uniform than Lofton. I’d love to here your argument for Lofton.

Bills Diggs is absolutely ahead of the Bills version of Lofton. It’s not close. One was the guy and the other was a role player. If you want to argue Reed over Diggs, okay, but no chance on Lofton. Moulds is in an interesting one as well but I’d probably have Bills Diggs over him. In my lifetime (at least that I remember): Reed, Diggs, Moulds, Stevie, Lofton, Beasley

If you took a Kelly/Hurts conversation to an Eagles message board, 90% would side with Hurts. “He was great in the Super Bowl when they lost and won the other.” That’s what makes it a reasonable argument. Each fan base would argue for their guy. Reasonable Eagles fans wouldn’t try to make the case that Hurts is over Allen (and yes I see the vocal minority on the internet that think Hurts should be 1). Those aren’t the reasonable ones.

I like the format now. I liked the tweak to the teams hosting too. This feels like the right number to me. Once you get beyond 12, it would be difficult to see any team below that running the table against that competition. I think that’s the underrated part. Teams that have 3 losses (or even 2 in some cases) that would be ranked like 14 are inconsistent. They likely lost at least 2 of those games to good teams. They probably play like 3 good teams a year. (I’m considering top 15 teams good). Are we supposed to believe that those teams would, go on the road, and then to neutral sites and be 3-0 vs. those quality of teams? It feels like a stretch. As an Ohio State fan, I apply the Wisconsin/Iowa eye test to it. Those are the type of teams over the last 15 years that would have qualified for an expanded playoff like this. Was it possible that 2014 Wisconsin or 2023 Iowa to win 3 games against the best teams in the country? Of course not!! Those teams would have been murdered. 12 is a good number and we still enter the playoff with a few teams that have zero chance at a title (Boise, Indiana, ASU, SMU).