Kirby Jackson

It absolutely is!! That’s why people have been on you. He had 4500 yards and 41 TDs!! The year before he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. That’s not, “I wonder if we should pay this guy” money. That’s, “we have one of the best QBs in football” territory. He’s been good in the playoffs too. To be clear, I am not suggesting that I’d take Baker over Mahomes. This is just some perspective: I’m not trying to derail this conversation but the suggestion that Baker COULD be the worst franchise guy is lunacy.

We all own it when we suggest something controversial. You threw him out in a conversation with guys that aren’t on his level. You’ve since been bombarded with numbers as to why he doesn’t belong there. If you’re lower on Baker than most, fine. If you are suggesting that there may be debate to who is a worse player Baker or Lawrence, you’re going to be challenged to defend that.

2 years ago he had over 4000 yards and 28 TDs. You’re WAY underrating Baker. He’s a top 10 QB. He’s not in the Tua/Lawrence/Kyler tier. He’s in the group with guys like Herbert, Stafford, Stroud, Dak and Goff.

Baker was my 8th best QB. He doesn’t belong in this conversation. He isn’t a fringe guy. 4500 yards and 41 TDs is not a low end franchise guy.

Man, that’s not fair to Baker. He’s coming off 4,500 yards and 41 TDs. He had 4,000 and 28 TDs the prior year. Him being suggested makes me uncomfortable. To answer the question, I think Tua, Lawrence and Darnold are the guys that would qualify. It’s tough to want to move on from them but you don’t win because of them IMO.

This is a good question and I think it’ll be pretty close. Each will get a decent amount of targets. I’d probably say receptions: Diggs, yards: Shakir and TDs are a bit of a crapshoot.

The point was that McDermott and Pegula’s relationship is NOTHING like Payton and Benson. He did tons wrong (pill scandal, other drugs, bounty gate, has a child with a Saints cheerleader). Payton was bulletproof because of his relationship with ownership. I’m not arguing for Stefanski. I’d argue for Tomlin. He has a Super Bowl and has never had a losing season!! I don’t love his style but he’s a HOF coach. I said McDermott is like Purdy. Someone else said Dak. That’s good by me. He’s a borderline top 10 guy. He’s not bad. He has been BAD in the biggest moments which is why he doesn’t belong higher on the list. In terms of the 2nd Super Bowl, there is no call, EVER, even close to the Robey-Coleman PI. They kick a 30 yard FG as the clock expires. That wasn’t a hypothetical or a close call. Google, “what’s the worst missed call in NFL History” and see what comes up. If they make that 30 yarder (or whatever it was) they’re in the Super Bowl. They would have been playing a not so good Pats team. That game was awful. Payton’s team would have showed up. Where we disagree is that I think pretty much any average coach could have achieved what McDermott has with Josh Allen. Lots and lots of guys could have won the divisions that he’s won and the playoff games that he’s won. He has yet to win the big one and he’s had lots of chances. He’s 0-5 vs. KC & Cincy in the playoffs. His defense has been nonexistent. He’s a defensive coach!! You can’t be bad in big games and be considered good. Look at the way people trash Dak and Herbert and Lamar for their playoff performances. That’s McDermott. That’s not Sean Payton. He’s 9-9 in the playoffs. He SHOULD be at least 10-10 or 11-9 with 2 championships. That’s better than 7-7 with no Super Bowl appearances.

Payton has been good for a long time though. He went to the NFC Championship after 2006 and took an undermanned Broncos team to the playoffs in 2024. He won a Super Bowl in between then and should have went again 5 years ago. I think Payton is an offensive genius. He’s an idiot but he’s an arrogant genius. He doesn’t tense up in the biggest moments. He pushes his chips in.

In Josh Allen’s prime, Super Bowls are all that matter. I’m not wowed by Wild Card wins or Divisional Round wins. That’s not the NFL. This is a ring culture. Sean Payton has proven that he can win.

They would have kicked like a 30 yarder to go to the Super Bowl. I think that they would have rolled that Pats team. That was the worst Super Bowl in history.

I’d rather have lost a game, like Baltimore last year, in exchange for a Super Bowl title 13 seconds year. Payton has proven that he can win the big one. McDermott has not proven that.

I was in New Orleans for the Payton years. I know those teams better than most. The thought that Sean Payton would have been fired back then is BEYOND absurd if you understood the dynamics of the ownership/leadership of the Saints/Pelicans. Loomis/Lauscha/Payton were/are Gail’s entire leadership team. They are way closer to family than to employees. They didn’t fire him when his wife left him and moved to Dallas. He commuted to New Orleans after he knocked up the cheerleader. Payton isn’t a good guy but he is miles better as a football coach than McDermott. That’s why he’s 2 on this list and McDermott isn’t in the top 10. Payton elevates the talent on his teams. Those Saints teams weren’t as talented as some are making them out to be. They didn’t go to the Super Bowl after Katrina. They went to the NFC Championship and lost to the Bears. He won the Super Bowl after 2009. They would have won again if not for the worst call in NFL History (not hyperbole).

If Sean Payton were here since 2017, do you agree that they’d have at least 1 Super Bowl? He would have been to Allen what Reid is to Mahomes. This is fair.

Do you believe that Sean McDermott is a better head coach than Sean Payton? If so, we STRONGLY disagree. Payton has a Super Bowl and would have 2 without the worst call in NFL History. He changed the momentum of the Super Bowl with a surprise onside kick. He went to Denver with a bottom 10 roster and went to the playoffs. Sean Payton is a way better coach than Sean McDermott.

I’m not big on McDermott. I think he’s fine. He’s like the Brock Purdy of HCs to me. He could be top 10. It’s not an outrage that he’s not. McDermott has a generational QB who has been outstanding in the biggest moments. McDermott and his defense have failed in those moments. You could do worse but you could do better.

Ryan Fitzpatrick - he went to Harvard

Donovan Greer We played with him in the alumni tournament a few years back and he got so high he couldn’t get out of the cart on the back 9. 🤣🤣

This was weird. I think that the comment would be different if he/Miami had success against the Bills. The Bills have used Cover 4 and dominated them 🤷🏻‍♂️. He just comes across as whiny. If he/Miami were having a ton of success against the Bills defense, his comments would be much more effective.

Really well said!! If you aren’t open, it’s hard to get volume. He might be a part time guy and a big play guy.

I think New England has slowly become one of the most overrated teams in the league. They’re “new” so I get it. It has a little of that 2024 Jets feel. They’ll be better than they were but I think like 7-10 or 8-9. Miami has become a touch underrated imo. They’re more likely to be the playoff team I think.

I have a feeling that the Bills drop a division game this year. It’s just a feeling. Maybe they split with Miami. The Jets game at the end of the year might mean nothing. If it means nothing I don’t care about the outcome. I don’t see a lot of losses on the Bills schedule and I’m thinking 14-3 or 13-4. I’m guessing one of those losses is a divisional loss. The other 2 or 3 will come from (Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, Chiefs, Bucs, Falcons, or meaningless Jets).

Fun topic!! As a player maybe Cook. As a person, Tre.

If you take the money it is a guarantee that you will never see the Bills win a Super Bowl in your lifetime. Obviously $500 isn’t the answer, so what is? What’s the number that it would take for that deal with the devil?

Looks like, I’m going to be able to pull this off. If I do a baby moon in August, I’ll be good to go on this guy’s trip. 🙌🏼🙌🏼