Kirby Jackson

He was despised in New Orleans. That’s one of those places that if you don’t embrace, they will hate you. It has a real Buffalo feel to it in that sense. With that being said, he wasn’t going to play anyways. This year is the reset and Shough will be the guy. If he can’t play, and they bottom out, they’ll take a shot on the hometown kid in the draft. The Saints are going to bottom out this year.

There are lots of rumors out there about Ireland. If that happens, it’s against the Steelers wishes. They asked the league to protect the Bills and Packers in Pittsburgh. I’ll be shocked if the league goes against their wishes.

So a rookie DB wants to intercept the league MVP? Am I supposed to have feelings about this?

Appreciate your work on this. Just one question, why are we looking at it through the lens of 53 instead of 51? I am a little confused. Is it in case guys come in and out of the top 51? Just wondering and appreciate your work!!

Not defending this because he’s an idiot. Also, Tua doesn’t belong in the top 5. Apparently though he started by saying, “excluding Tua here are my top 5” or something like that. The story has gone viral but evidently it’s not really accurate.

This feels very fair. That’s been part of the disconnect too. If we are just looking at WRs, they are bad. If we are looking at all of the weapons, they’re a little below league average. The backs and TEs are top 10ish groups. If you add the OL, it moves up. They are a top 5 unit. Josh Allen is the best player in the world at the most important position. They move up again. Is the offense good and are the receivers good are two different conversations.

Production for sure. The WR room has COMBINED for 2 seasons over 800 yards!! Please go through every single team in the league and tell me how many have less? The answer will almost certainly be 0. Shakir is the only guy that’s a top 50 WR in the NFL and he’s probably in the 30 range. If you were to draft every NFL WR start to finish he probably goes around 30 and they may not have another guy picked until 65 or later. There are 32 teams in the league. I’ll throw pedigree in as well. Moore was an early 2 but has disappointed to this point. Coleman was an early 2 but the 8th or 9th WR off the board in his own draft class. Did you he get pushed down because of the strength of the class or pushed up because of the run of them before the next tier dropped off? Palmer was a 3. Shakir was a 5. Samuel was a RB. The pedigree of the Bills WR room pales in comparison to pretty much every team. We went through early in the year using draft trade chart points and how many were allocated to WR. It’s incredibly low. Cooper doesn’t get a pass. He didn’t look like the player he was a year earlier. What, for some reason, is so difficult for you to understand, if the Bills passing game was WAY better in the games he played. You tried to spin that and then I posted the numbers. You then disappeared for 2 days because the truth exposed your narrative. The offense was way better with him. Period. Diggs’ numbers dipped. Diggs also had the best 4 year stretch a Bills receiver ever had. The passing game was better when he was here. There’s no doubt about that. He wasn’t the same player at the end, but if he walked through the door today, coming off the ACL, he’d be the number 1. I challenge you to find any metrics supporting the WRs not being bottom 5. 🤣🤣 There aren’t any other than hope. The OL is excellent. Brady is great. Josh Allen is the best player in football. The WRs are bad compared to other NFL WR groups. Why do you refuse to accept the truth? It doesn’t mean that the Bills can’t produce. Those other factors may be enough to overcome them. It was enough last year. Let’s hope it continues. As an aside, in the future, if you’re going to call someone a liar, please make sure that the numbers won’t tell a different story. You lost a lot of credibility on here trying to spin reality. Whether we agree or not, doesn’t matter. Don’t argue against facts!! The passing game with Cooper was way better than the passing game without. That’s how this whole conversation started. You said that didn’t happen. The numbers said it did.

That’s kind of what I think Alpha. They’ll get less turnovers but more stops. I wonder what that does to average drive start? I have no idea but the improved defense will definitely help.

I agree that they will be improved. I’m asking if the regression in terms of negative plays is greater than their improvement?

You asked a question and I answered. Having better players isn’t a bad thing. If the Bills had a 1 and threw him the ball 8 times a game and that meant 1 less target for Moore, Palmer and Coleman, I wouldn’t care. Over the course of the year they’d each see 15 less targets, or whatever, and an elite receiver adds those 45, the Bills will be better.

Lol, we have people convinced that having better players is a bad thing. 🤣🤣 Josh throwing the ball to better players will yield better results. The passing numbers last year dropped quite a bit. Brady schemed guys open.

You can compare stats to historical output. The 2024 Bills had the fewest negative plays EVER. Not just for the Bills, of any team ever. Is it reasonable to believe that, for a 2nd consecutive year, they won’t do something that no team in history has ever done? Common sense says it regresses even if it’s still good. The Bills could be a top 5 turnover differential team and that would be a massive step back from where they were. They were a statistical outlier. I believe that Coleman and Kincaid will improve some. I think Palmer and Moore are decent role players. They are as good as Mack was. But will that offset the regression in terms of “luck?” The pass catchers are near the bottom of the league. That’s not really debatable. The question is, “will it matter?” It didn’t last year but they had incredible luck and health on the OL. They were awesome. If any of that changes, the talent becomes more important. Is it enough? I believe the defensive additions will make a difference there. I expect the defense to be better. I don’t expect them to turn the ball over more. I do expect more pass rush though. I expect better run defense too. I expect the Bills to compete for the Super Bowl. That doesn’t mean that they are perfect. If they do fall short of their goal, what will be the reason? My guess is that it’s the lack of playmakers and questionable coaching. The defense will be better and Josh is incredible.

I think that this is a major part of the disconnect. Just because he doesn’t “need” a number 1 doesn’t mean that the offense wouldn’t be better with one. That’s obvious. The question becomes, can they keep winning with a bottom 5 WR room? We all hope so. Would they be better off if you plugged Metcalf at the top of the depth chart (for example)? Of course they would. You need to remember that the Bills were +24 in turnover differential last year. No other team was more than +16. Other than that no other team was more than +12!! That’s a massive gap. If the Bills even fall to 3rd best in turnover differential we are talking about almost an extra turnover a game that they either commit on offense or don’t get on defense. This is often lost in these conversations. The Bills had the fewest negative plays ever (turnovers and sacks). We shouldn’t expect that again or even close to it. When that regresses, even if it’s still good, will the playmakers around Josh be good enough to overcome it?

I do miss the 1:00 games so much. We do a pretty big tailgate that probably ranges from 20 to 100 in any given week. Usually we are probably 30 to 50 but it’s a lot of work. There are 4 of us that rotate hosting so we each take 2 games. It’s a ton of work to prepare and set up. It’s so hard for certain night games. If it’s a Monday or Thursday I just blow out of work at like 11. We are breaking it all down in the dark and it just sucks. I get home at like midnight - 1:00 and still have to empty the car. I may or may not be a few drinks in depending on if Jessica came and drove. It’s just miserable. Leaving the house at 7:30 - 8 AM for a 1:00 PM game is 👨‍🍳💋. We are set up by 9. We break down at 11:45 and are in the stadium by 12:30. We have a drink and are in our seats by the time that they run out. We either bring Italian home for dinner or hit up an Italian restaurant on the way home. It’s just perfect. Eff night games

I quoted facts and said do with it what you will. You’re the one hellbent on distorting those facts to fit your narrative. I asked you nicely to look it up before calling me a liar. Instead, you ended up getting exposed by the truth. It didn’t have to be this way. I’ve said in other posts, that it isn’t all Cooper. It isn’t none of Cooper either. Like everything, it’s a little bit of everything. I attribute 60% to his presence impacting the defense, 20% is coincidental and 15% to his performance. I’m not trying to deny that his presence had a significant impact. It would be really tough/impossible to make the argument that you’ve tried to make. The numbers don’t say that. I would have let you off the hook but you chose this route.

Then we are in vastly different places. He said if they got a 2nd they should jump. That’s not the market. If that was anywhere close to what was being offered he’d be gone. A 3rd sounds like the ceiling now and it could go potentially down as the season progresses. My offer is more like a 5th.

So then the question becomes, what’s the appropriate compensation for a 1 year rental, on an injury prone pass rusher, in their 30’s? It’s tricky. I was all about going after Watt until I talked to my buddy at the Steelers. Now I’m lukewarm. He knows WAY more than me as to what Watt has looked like recently. @BADOLBILZ comments echoed it. I guess I am at, sure, if it’s cheap to acquire him, go for it.

He will play for the vet minimum this year. His Jags contract has offset language. That means every dollar over the minimum that someone else wants to pay a dollar comes off the Jags deal. There is no incentive, at all, to play for more than the minimum. Gabe makes no more money.

I like Palmer, Moore and Samuel. Gabe has been a more productive NFL receiver than all 3. Coleman of 2024 is a worse player than Gabe Davis or 2022 & 2023. Again, I’m not advocating for or against Gabe but there is nothing to support that those guys are better than him at this point other than hope. It’s fine to be optimistic but to be like, “we don’t need Gabe because we have Josh Palmer & Elijah Moore” is crazy.

The other thing to think about with Davis is that his contract had offset language. That means he will be playing for league minimum. I don’t think that they have any WRs that they can cut and gain savings. Either way, Gabe is vet minimum. That will be important for whomever picks him up. He will almost certainly play for a contender for that reason. If he’s making the minimum no matter where he is, why wouldn’t he go to a contender that offers him the best opportunity?

Are we sure that they are all better or is that just because they are current Bills? Shakir is the only one that I’m sure is a better receiver than Gabe. Gabe is obviously limited but what he does is what they’re missing. I’m not advocating for or against Gabe. He’s a role player. The point is 4 of the 5 Bills receivers are roles players. The 5th is also a role player, he just happens to be top 5-10 at his role in the league.

They have asked the league to protect the Bills and Packers. I know that with 100% certainty. I do not know if the league always abides by that or just usually. I would be really surprised though if the league told the Steelers to pound sand. Those games are a draw regardless of who is there. When I was in the NBA the way that scheduling worked is that you got a certain amount of “vetoes” that they abided by. For example, the Pelicans never play home games from Thursday-Tuesday of Mardi Gras week. It would be a logistical nightmare so they go on the road. If I remember correctly, we could also make certain “requests” like “we would like to play a home game, in the afternoon, on MLK.”

I don’t hate it for the Bills. That’s what I was asking about. The problem, from their standpoint, is what do you do with him? You can’t pay him in the range of what Garrett got. He potentially cripples a cap if he’s done or about done. He’s a UFA after this year and will be 31 with lots of injuries. It’s a tricky situation.

I’ve always been on the belief that you want higher rows in the lower level and lower rows in the upper level.

FWIW, I have a very close friend at the Steelers as some of you know. I talked to him a couple of weeks ago on a few things. He thinks Watt is about to fall off a cliff and if they could get a 2nd, they should jump at it. This was before the draft and I’d imagine he’s even more emboldened.