Kirby Jackson

Has Beane neglected WR? Of course he has. That’s not really debatable. We can look at asset allocation and come to that conclusion pretty easily. Has it hurt their offense is a different conversation. It’s also a different conversation from the best 32 WRs in football. That’s this thread. I shared the top 25 under 25 a day or two earlier. Did that get your panties in a bunch too? There was no intent on that being about the Bills either. Yes, they did have a player on that list. These are the things discussed in May. Don’t project as if you know my intent. My intent was to spark conversation on PFF’s list. That’s what has been going on. Guess what, there will be more of these threads coming as they release them. Read through the thread if you want to participate. Who do you think is too high? Too low? If you don’t want to engage on the topic. Don’t. Don’t come here and try to derail it though. Thanks in advance

PFF is releasing lists of the best players by position in the NFL. Why would this not be on here? Before you say, “this is a Bills message board,” it it nestled between threads on Jim Irsay, Marvin Harrison Jr. Fred Warner and Brock Purdy. It is for discussion!! It’s May!! These are the things that are discussed on here this time of year. I get it. You’re one of those guys that’s sticks your fingers in your ears and goes “La la la la la, I can’t hear you” if you don’t like what’s being said. You’re the one making this about the Bills offense. If you don’t like the conversation, don’t join in!! You’re projecting. Yes, the Bills are bad at WR. No one expected them to have guys on the list. That’s not the conversation. It is about the best receivers in football. My suggestion is that you start a thread on Strong vs. Ingram or Hancock vs. Cam Lewis for roster spots. Those topics interest you. Instead of whining, expend your energy on things you care about.

There are 9 teams with Super Bowl odds of +1900 or less. In parenthesis, the number of wide receivers inside of PFF’s top 32: Eagles (2) Ravens (1) Bills (0) Chiefs (1) Lions (2) Rams (2) Commanders (2) Packers (0) Bengals (2) I don’t know if this tells much. It is a little wild though that more than 1/2 of the top 9 teams have multiple WRs in the top 32 and at least 1 in the top 10. The Eagles with 1 & 7, Lions with 4 & 32, Rams with 5 & 16, Commanders with 10 & 30, and the Bengals with 3 & 14. It is also wild that Ohio State has 5 guys in the top 32 (6 if you count Jameson Williams) and LSU has 4 of the top 15.

For me, it is Chase probably 1, Jefferson a close 2, small gap to Brown at 3. I’d probably have Puka at 4 but there’s a little of that recency bias from what I saw him do to the Bills.

Ayiuk in the top 20 coming off that injury isn’t something that I expected to see.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-wide-receiver-rankings-top-32-2025-season

Lol, to be clear I wasn’t talking about how his skillset would translate well to the flag football world. It was simply, “he’s the worst football player that I’ve ever seen and the gap from the US to the rest of the world is so wide that it doesn’t matter if he’s the QB. They will still win.”

Peterman could qb the US to a gold

No one liked us less than Chidi Ahanotu did in his 1 year. That dude was commuting from Toronto.

It’s wild that every single person on this message board has more rushing yards in a Bills uniform than Reggie Bush.

I love the topic @BillsShredder83 There are a long list of guys that were here for a minute. The TO thing was fun. One guy that I haven’t seen mentioned is Karlos Williams. He was looked like a future star but smoked / ate himself out of the league after a year. He deserves mention.

I’ve seen Bowers before. You can’t convince me that guy is under 35, forget about 25!!

Think that this makes for an interesting offseason discussion: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-top-25-players-under-25-2025-nfl-season

Appreciate the advice on how to navigate this place!! I’m learning. I assumed it was self explanatory. As soon as @BillsFan130 asked, I elaborated. Maybe it wasn’t clear. It’s in the first response located on page 2. The question was asked 14 minutes after the initial post. That was responded to 22 minutes later.

Lol, I think I have him at like 28ish.

The yards per reception point is a good one. He was really good after the catch. I should retract my, “he didn’t show anything beyond what was expected” because he did maximize yards at an elite level. He’s big and physical. There were times when he had the ball and looked like a poor man’s Ja’Marr Chase. Those moments make you salivate. I saw this the other day too and it was really encouraging: While he wasn’t efficient in terms of a “per target” basis, he was dynamic when he did get the ball. That does give me optimism and hope. I don’t think that he will ever be a high volume usage guy because of his lack of separation but there are multiple signs of him being a big play guy. The Bills have had a need for chunk plays. Coleman looks like he can provide them. If he can be a big play guy, and fill some of the physicality void that left with Mack, Coleman can be a rich man’s Gabe Davis. He can replicate what Gabe did well (block and get down the field) while also adding YAC that those Bills teams lacked.

For me, I would want to see indicators to suggest that. Someone used the Kincaid example earlier. There was a guy on WGR last week talking about how good his separation numbers were, his YAC and how many off target throws he saw (most of any TE). That is an indicator that it will likely improve. He probably won’t be last in on target throws next year. That should normalize. There wasn’t anything like that with Coleman. I saw the exact guy that I expected.

The conversation started with, “we should expect him to improve.” I asked, “why?” We all “hope” that he improves but he largely looked like the exact same guy that he has been (good and bad). We all hope that some of his strengths get stronger and his flaws diminish. We shouldn’t “expect” it. We are “hoping” that happens. He didn’t show anything, good or bad, that was different than what we expected last year. I’m not assuming that he won’t either. All that I’ve said is that he looked almost exactly as the scouting reports indicated (good and bad). Maybe he is the player that the scouts thought (good and bad)? I’m HOPING that he exceeds it but there hasn’t been any signs, imo, that we should assume he looks different (good or bad).

Why are you assuming he will? Obviously we all want it and hope for it but using logic, there’s no reason to believe that he will or that he won’t. To this point, he looks exactly like the guy that the scouting community thought. He doesn’t get open. He’s good with the ball in his hands. He high points well. He has too many contested catch situations. There was nothing surprising in a good or bad way as a rookie. To this point in his football life, that’s the player that he has been (predating the NFL too). We all hope that those strengths become stronger and those weaknesses can be masked. Maybe who he always has been is who he will always be?

I’m not assuming that he will and I’m not assuming that he won’t. So far, he’s been exactly as advertised. His strengths coming out were his strengths and his flaws were his flaws. I HOPE he improves. I’m not assuming it or not assuming it.

Those are interchangeable to me. He’s probably somewhere between 15-20ish IMO. That’s off the top of my head. If I have time later I’ll think it through and make my list.

100% agree.

Why assume he will? That’s what his chart looked like from college too. We all HOPE that Keon improves. I don’t think that we all EXPECT Keon to improve. He was a high ceiling and low floor prospect coming out. His physical skills could make him a very good WR. His flaws are significantly greater than those guys drafted around him. His ceiling is a Pro Bowl receiver. His floor is out of the league in a couple of years because he can’t get open. Through 1 year, he was exactly as advertised. He’s a poor route runner who gets no separation. He’s a big target that runs well after the catch. He has good ball skills when the ball is in the air. He is in way too many contested catch situations because he doesn’t get any space. All of that is true. Who he ends up as a player is TBD. I don’t expect him to improve or not improve. I hope that he improves because the Bills absolutely need him to grow into a quality WR.

Yeah, he’s an interesting case because I think Baker is better than that whole tier I listed earlier and he makes less than all of them. Yep!! Absolutely agree. That’s the point. If they aren’t impacting winning in a significant way, the less you’re paying the better. The irony is, as of last week, Purdy was the best contract in football. The 49ers had a window because he’s a pretty good QB that made nothing. I thought @BillsFan130 hit it a little earlier on the guys that you win because of or can win a Super Bowl.

The Steeler fans and people that follow them hated that decision. He has a starting role this year. Again, he’s not Peterman. You’re better off paying him $20M than Purdy $53M. There are 3 tiers of QBs: guys you win because of, guys you can win with, and young / unproven guys. The worst place to be is having “a guy you can win with making guy that you win because of money.” That’s Purdy