Kirby Jackson

You know what’s funny is that this thread is from before LAST year. 🤣🤣 This was when they were about to run out Mack Hollins, Keon Coleman, Shakir and Curtis Samuel. Since then they added and subtracted Cooper. Hollins became Palmer, MVS & Jalen Virgil became Elijah Moore & Tyrell Shavers. Imagine feeling good about any of that?!? 🤣🤣

He was certainly on the back end of his prime. He was coming off being a difference maker for a Super Bowl Champ. He wasn’t 2015 Von Miller but you’d have gotten 3 good years if healthy. That was the plan. If I recall your options were Von and Chandler Jones.

They were 1 elite pass rusher from getting by KC. That wasn’t a long play. That was meant to instantly put them over the top. He was just coming off getting the Rams over the top. If healthy, they would have had 2 to 3 years to win one (or more). You had prime Josh and were 13 seconds away from a Super Bowl. That wasn’t time to worry about 3 years from now. It didn’t work but I absolutely, 100% supported it at the time and still do. On a side note, I’d love to have the conversation over some drinks. 🤣🤣 I’ve gotten into some good bourbons over the last few years. Let’s do it!! TBD Christmas party!!

The one big swing he took was on Von. It was the right decision at the time and is the right decision with hindsight. It didn’t work out but you took the right big swing.

You know what’s weird about the arrogance part? It just dawned on me that over the last few years the Bills have loaded up on former top 77 picks that failed everywhere. Lol, they believed that “if Andy Isabella comes here he will excel because we know best.” Looking over the last few years (in parenthesis is their draft slot): Cooper (4), Samuel (40), Moore (34), Coleman (33), Palmer (77), Hamler (46), Isabella (62), and Chase Claypool (49). With the exception of Cooper none of these guys were ever good. Now, I’m not going to be a hypocrite and fault them for taking a shot on guys that were highly thought of. I always scream for that. At the same time, there had to be a balance of, “this guy has been solid for a while” (Darnell Mooney types) to go along with Isabella, Hamler, Claypool, Coleman, etc…

What an insane story!!

It sucks that he sucks. He’s a great dude.

This is one of the most frustrating seasons of my life. The drought wasn’t always frustrating. They just weren’t very good. This season set up perfectly for them. They arrogantly didn’t look to improve upon what looked like the worst WR room in the NFL. Then the GM goes on the popular morning show. He condescendingly mansplains to the hosts and an educated fanbase why we are all wrong and he knows best. The Bills used the clip to promote the season!! They were insulting us. Almost instantly, what anyone with a brain could see, came to fruition. The WRs were trash. Now they’re about to waste a season in Josh Allen’s prime, where Baltimore and KC were down. The Bills had a very easy schedule. This year was set up perfectly. To this point, they’ve failed and it’s their own arrogance that has us here. Brady hasn’t done a great job this year. You can’t make guys that have never been good, good. This is on Beane. Brady has been bad but no one would flourish with this group. They stink.

This thread is the era’s version of trading Mario Williams for John Skelton.

I’ll definitely watch it at some point. I’m sure that it’s terrible. If the Bills are involved I watch regardless of how bad I know it’s going to be.

I don’t know. He’s a guy that’s played at a very high level not that long ago. He’s had injuries and poor play since. At the same time, we’ve seen an all-pro ceiling. I’d much rather spend on that then Rousseau or Bernard who we’ve seen be a quality role players. It’s easier to find quality role players than potential stars.

My brother has been saying the same thing. Hope that you guys are right. While I didn’t like the contract, he has had a knack for making big plays.

That one has been unfortunate. I had no issue paying him and would do it again. It may not work but we’ve seen him play at an elite level. Hopefully we see it again.

Shakir is fine at that contract. Benford earned his money even if he’s having a rough year. Paying Rousseau was a mistake and paying Bernard was a big mistake.

This poll feels like the rare time that there’s a “right” answer. It’s Beane. The roster isn’t good enough. If we are looking at “why did they lose ____ game” you can pick someone else. If we are looking at, “why is the Bills season going this way” it is Beane. There isn’t enough talent.

I think so. They could win in the playoffs too. I just don’t think that they can win 4 in a row. They’re way too flawed and inconsistent.

Well said by both of you. That’s kind of the issue. It isn’t that these guys aren’t decent to even good NFL players. You just can’t spend that high on the middle of your roster. The Bills lack stars so they spent on the middle. They would have been better off letting some of the middle of the roster walk and keeping flexibility to add to the top.

They have an easy out after 2027 too. I just don’t see a lot of value in $20M+ 8 sack guys. I’d rather have a $5M 6 sack guy.

My post magically disappeared. Let’s try this again. It’s a bad idea to pay role players as if they are high end starters. The Bills did it with Rousseau and Bernard. They did it with Knox before that. Those are the guys that you let walk and find role players much cheaper.

Just an NHL team and an NFL team come with infinitely different external pressures. If you were to tally how many times in a year the word Sabres is mentioned on national TV vs. Bills, the delta will be well into the thousands. Terry can screw up the Sabres and no one notices. The entire world sees and talks on the Bills regression. He can’t hide in plain sight with this. There is no denying that he has done a bad job with the Sabres. That’s like saying though that his $200k house is in rough shape. The focus will always be on the $1M home. When the $1M home in the nicest neighborhood starts to fall apart, people notice.

The Bills are one of the most important things in my life. It’s a part of my DNA like it is for many of you. Last night, I found myself nervous and angry all at the same time. It wasn’t fun and I’m not sure I would have felt amazing if they pulled it out at the end. It’s been draining. I am okay with losses when they look like the best version of the Bills. Losses happen. My struggle is that they haven’t looked like the Bills outside of KC, Carolina, 2nd half vs. Tampa and 1st half of the Jets game. Their record is better than they’ve been. I just want them to look like they should and let the chips fall where they may.

We won’t see it publicly. We are seeing his frustration at a level that we haven’t. If Terry asks, and Josh tells him, it’s over.

I have been using the LeBron example in other threads on regime change. That’s kind of where we are. No one thinks that Pelinka or Redick has more power than LeBron. Maybe with LeBron nearing the end his voice lessens but you get the point. There are a handful, or slightly more, of players in sports that have ultimate say. Lamar is in a pretty similar situation to Josh. He can execute Harbaugh. Aaron Judge and Ohtani have similar power. Jokic and Giannis come to mind along with maybe McDavid. I’m sure there are others but it’s interesting.

Yep, the frustration is mounting and has been all year. He won’t say anything publicly because he’s not like that. Josh has functionally equal power to Pegula in this sense. He can pull the plug on this regime in 1 phone call. I don’t know if he will but he certainly can.

As soon as Josh says, “enough is enough” it all changes.