Kirby Jackson

He was a good receiver. His last year in New England he had 998 yards. The year before that he was the Super Bowl MVP. He was then traded for a 1st & signed a big deal in Seattle. Let’s not pretend he was some scrub. 🤣🤣

Edelman? Welker? Deion Branch? Troy Brown? They ALWAYS made sure to surround Brady with high end pass catchers. They also had Gronk and Hernandez. Brady’s top 2 pass catchers are first ballot HOFers. He also had Faulk, Lewis and White as pass catching backs.

I don’t know for sure but think that the Rams title sort of started it. They aggressively added guys and won. Last year was the most active deadline in forever. It’s like anything, someone does something that works and others replicate it. The pendulum has swung towards active trade deadlines. I think that there is probably one other reason and that’s tanking. Stars have basically stopped moving around in FA over the last 5-10 years. Now, you have to draft a star or trade for them. Teams that aren’t going to win it, are better off being 4-13 than 7-10. If you can get a Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels, it can change your franchise. You’ll have them forever. It’s not just QBs though. If you get Myles Garrett or Aiden Hutchinson it has a similar impact. That’s why the Parsons trade was so interesting.

But you can’t include Deone Walker without including Landon Jackson. You can’t selectively pick the guy that looks really good without excluding the guy that can’t get a jersey on game day. No one is advocating for bad long term decisions. 🤣🤣 Everyone, that disagrees with you, is saying, “in 2025 teams improve in season via trades. The Bills have a very good shot at the 1 seed and homefield advantage. They should make a move(s) with 2025 in mind before worrying about the future. You never know how long that window is open for. 6 weeks ago the Ravens were the Super Bowl favorites. They may be 1-5 in 3 days. Tomorrow isn’t promised.”

This is almost always right. They don’t get more expensive. They may drop to a point and then stagnate there but 5 minutes before kickoff will, 100% not cost more than they do right now. This used to be a secret because people like my aunt were so nervous about missing out, they buy immediately. It’s odd because she might be the cheapest person that I know. Whenever I go away for a Bills game, I buy the day of. Unless you have more than 4 in your group, there’s no reason to buy before the week of the game. There’s PLENTY of inventory in 2025.

Exactly. I’m not saying that AJ Brown is available or gettable. Hypothetically though, if the Bills added him tomorrow, what would their record be the rest of the year? Would they lose a game?

Pretty sure Douglas led the NFL in havoc plays the rest of the year after he came to the Bills. The Bills scored 7.4 more PPG and threw for 60 yards more per game with Cooper in the lineup than with him out. Attribute that wherever you want but the offense performed significantly better in the games he played. You have Josh Allen turning 30. There is no more waiting. The league has changed. In season deals weren’t really a thing until the last 3 or 4 years. They happened but not regularly. The line of thinking that you wait until the spring is an antiquated line of thinking. That’s not how it works anymore.

This has been the biggest divide on the board over the last couple of years. There are really 2 schools of thought: 1) The Bills are an elite offense despite not having a true separation receiver. 2) The Bills lack of talent at WR will prevent them from reaching their ultimate goal. Both are perfectly reasonable opinions. The Bills have scored lots of points (supporting group 1). The Bills have fallen short of reaching a Super Bowl and haven’t been able to make the play when it matters most (supporting group 2). Personally, I fall into group 2. You’ve consistently come up short and you have a bottom 5 WR room with the best player in the world at QB. That makes no sense to me. I believe that elite talent there would turbocharge Josh instead of making him cover for lesser players like he tried to do last week. He ran around, bought time and guys couldn’t get free. It ultimately resulted in a loss. I fall into group 2 because, philosophically, I believe that the Bills strategy should be, “give Josh Allen everything that he needs first and worry about everything else after that.” The Bills have approached it as, “Josh is so good, he can cover up for lesser players so we will use our prime assets in terms of picks and FA dollars elsewhere.” Depending on which of those 2 you believe depends on if you fall into group 1 or group 2.

Fair. I feel like his motions and things that he did early in Miami would play well here. Think about that TD to Samuel the other day. That was a brilliant call. That was a TD before the ball was snapped. That kind of creativity we used to see from McDaniel. I like Stefanski the most as OC candidate if he does not land a HC job. I’m assuming Brady is a HC in 2026 somewhere. Also fair. I guess I’m not that concerned with a couple of game management issues. We still aren’t good with the clock and are worst in the league on challenges. I just want that ultra aggressive approach. Kubiak is definitely interesting.

I take no joy in this. 🤣🤣 Can’t say I’m surprised though. That’s been my fear all year. Fortunately Kincaid is becoming a player.

While correlation does not imply causation, the sample size is large enough that his presence is almost certainly “A” cause (but not the only cause of course). It’s almost certainly not coincidental that their improved passing and scoring coincided with him being in the lineup. What amount should be attributed to him? I don’t know but it almost certainly isn’t zero. Sorry, I should have clarified. I threw that final Pats game out because they didn’t want to win or play starters. It’s the other 16 games

As OC? Sure, he could be dynamic with Josh. I don’t like him as HC but think he’d get a lot out of this offense despite his inability as a leader. He doesn’t need to be a leader here though. Josh does that. What I want in the next HC, fresh ideas and an attacking mentality. I want swagger. I want to try to blow teams out. I want to attack on defense. Blitz, jump routes, and just play down hill. You’ll get beat over the top from time to time but if you make a few plays so be it. Get a handful of stops a game and you’d never lose. On offense I want the gas pedal down. Play with tempo. Throw it all over the yard and use the dynamic running game to complement it (not the other way around). I want them to go on 4th all the time (McD is pretty good about this). I want an offense that tries to score every play (and thinks that they will). I want them to be hard to play against like a team that plays full court press the whole game -60 minutes of hell. I don’t need a conservative organizer. That’s already been established by McD. I want someone that will look across the field at Mahomes and Reid and think “keep up.” That’s just a totally different mentality than “let’s outlast them.” Curt Cignetti is a guy that has that arrogance and swagger I’m looking for. He’s older than I would want but that’s the mentality I’d be looking for.

I want no part of retreads. I don’t care what they accomplished. He’s been a disaster. Just keep McDermott if your plan is BB, Gruden, Tomlin, Harbaugh, McCarthy, etc… If you move on, you move on to what’s next not what was 15 years ago. That’s like hiring Marv as the GM.

For sure! They kept safeties over the top. They spent time preparing for him, etc.. I’m by no means saying he was a dynamic player here. All that was said is that the passing game and scoring was much better with him than without? Why? Who knows but his presence almost certainly played a role.

Again, who said “Cooper is the only difference?” I certainly didn’t say that. Intuitively, I feel like Alec Anderson played some valuable snaps. However, I have never looked at the data to confirm or deny if that was the truth or just what I “feel.” I don’t put much stock into perception when there’s data that is fact. The games Cooper played weren’t all consecutive. The numbers that I provided were from the games he played not the last 8. Those aren’t interchangeable. If you choose to pretend that his presence didn’t have ANY impact (which is what it seems like you’re doing) please supply some data to support that. We have established that they threw way more and scored way more with him. If you’re saying that he wasn’t a factor, please share some data that made them better when he wasn’t dressed. I’ll be open minded but not going to buy into “that’s how I feel.” I’d like to see some data supporting that.

Again, with the “yeah but.” 🤣🤣 The numbers that I posted are Cooper with the Bills 2024 vs. Cooperless Bills games in 2024. You can attribute it to whatever you want (for the 2nd time). The FACT (not up for debate) is that the Bills threw for significantly more yards and scored significantly more points in the games that he was in the lineup. That’s not up for discussion or debate. It just IS.

Lol, this conversation wasn’t about “was he good or not in a Bills uniform.” The FACTS are that the offense produced at a much greater clip with him in the lineup than without him there. You can attribute that to whatever you want but you can’t say that they didn’t have more success.

College football is pretty incredible!! Living in the south, you get the passion. There are some names floated that I don’t think are realistic (Deion, BB, Ryan Day and Sark). Those guys either don’t appeal or have too high profile of a job already. I think Matt Campbell (Iowa State) is the likeliest to make the jump. Lincoln Riley (USC) would probably be the next option. Curt Cignetti (Indiana) feels like an option too.

Again, argue eye test all that you want. I posted FACTUAL numbers. No one is advocating for Amari Cooper. It’s INARGUABLE, that the passing game and scoring was better in the 8 games that he played vs. the ones that he didn’t. That’s all that post said. You are coming here to say, “yeah but this” and “yeah but that.” Feel free to argue for whatever you want except please don’t argue that the passing game AND scoring weren’t better with him than without. The numbers are the numbers

Well, you always need to get better. I don’t think an argument can be made that the Bills are better than a bottom 5 WR room. Will that ultimately cost them? TBD. It did cost them dearly the other day. Amari is obviously cooked and looked so out of shape in his brief return this offseason. Who is this year’s “Cooper?” Olave? Jakobi Meyers? Doubs? DJ Moore? I’d try calling Arizona and offering a 1st and whatever WR they want for MHJ. It’s a long shot but maybe it’s just not working out there? I saw an article today with the OC there saying that he didn’t do enough to get him the ball. Maybe you can slide in and buy him cheap from a 🗑️organization. I think there’s about a 2% chance Arizona would listen but it’s worth the call.

In the 8 games that Cooper played, the Bills threw for 264.4 yards per game and scored 35.5 PPG. In the 8 games that Cooper did not play, the Bills threw for 203.6 yards per game and scored 28.1 PPG. For those of you that don’t think that 7.4 PPG difference is significant, the Bills finished 2nd in the NFL at 30.6 PPG. If you subtracted 7.4 PPG and were at 23.2 PPG they would have finished 12th.

This is the part that I take issue with. The Bills don’t care who is there. They care that they get the number that the market supports. That’s exactly what’s happening in the new stadium. They aren’t trying to replace people with other people. They are trying to replace underpriced areas with seats priced more in line with what they go for around the league. The seats in the lower level between the 20’s have been underpriced, forever (literally). The Bills don’t care if the same people that have gotten them way below market value for 50+ years stay there in the new stadium. They just care that those seats go for market value. The people that have had them the longest get first crack at them.

What we saw Sunday, is that you can just man up on those WRs and focus on everything else. Josh had the most time of any game this year to throw but guys couldn’t get open. The Pats have good corners but so do a lot of teams. How often are the Bills WRs better than their opponents DBs? Lol, that might only happen during practice 🤣🤣

Supply and demand is more appropriate here. The fans are willing to spend on the product. I talked to a high ranking Bills official not too long ago that said they are ahead of schedule with the sales in the new stadium. They wanted to be done by next summer but it’ll be closer to the end of this season. I can only speak for myself when it comes to the new stadium. As a regular guy, I had a limit to what I was willing to spend. I declined the first offering and a week later, found seats that met my needs and budget. That’s how this works. No one is forcing anyone to buy in or not. If you can’t afford it, that’s life. I’d love to drive a Lamborghini around but it’s not realistic so I don’t. I don’t begrudge Lamborghini for pricing me out of the market. Their job is to make as much money as they can. It’s the same concept…