Kirby Jackson

Good question. Um, he’s the best of the bunch. He absolutely makes them better than they are today. I’d also probably try giving Moore more routes (no pun intended). Maybe you can cobble together just enough to keep defenses honest. That way you can still run the ball and work the underneath stuff.

For me, there are 2 clear flaws and it has been exposed multiple times this year (in wins and losses). The guys on the outside can’t get open and they can’t stop the run. I won’t say that they’re “easy” to defend because they have scored a lot. They’re easy to game plan for though because there are certain areas that you don’t need to defend. The Bills can absolutely win the Super Bowl but there is a formula that’s fairly limited that needs to play out for that to happen. They NEED to play from in front. Their offense can control the clock and run the ball. The defense can get after the passer and don’t have to worry about defending the run. The fear is, you get behind in a playoff game (let’s say Indy). Now, your defense, which was allowing the most YPC since like 1960 until last week, needs to stop Taylor and that elite OL. You can’t just play to your strength of running and ball control offense because it takes too long to close the gap. Now, you’re forced to throw to trash WRs (except Shakir), TEs who will be the focus of the defense and RBs that you refuse to throw to. It is not that the Bills aren’t great or that they can’t win. It’s they aren’t multiple enough to win in a variety of ways. One move, even someone like Shaheed, makes them more likely to win in the above mentioned situation. They can make chunk plays. They can keep safeties away from the LOS. There is a trickle down impact.

He’s one of my least favorite players in the league!! I’m a yes

I’ll say, the Bengals have just done a bad job. The Eagles paid 2 top WRs and won the Super Bowl. It’s a Bengals issue not an issue of having 2 top WRs. Would the Bills be better of with Landon Jackson or Tory Horton? You can point to the successes but we shouldn’t applaud the Bills for using a 3rd on a guy that can’t get a jersey (2 years in a row).

Jets

He hasn’t done a good job with a lot of them. He’s specifically been bad at WR. In a year, he traded Diggs, a great WR draft, he traded down twice and took Keon. He couldn’t have believed, “this is the best way to get a number 1 WR.” If he would have went up and been wrong, so be it. He didn’t value the position enough and still doesn’t.

No but the Bills were one of many teams trying to acquire a WR. 2 guys got dealt so that’s the value that we know. I would have paid that price for Shaheed but Denver didn’t, New England didn’t, Bills didn’t, Baltimore didn’t, etc.. Seattle did. All of those teams should be considered contenders. Again, I would have paid that price but no NFL GM did.

100% I would have probably paid the price for Shaheed. With that being said, 31 NFL teams had the opportunity to pay that price and would have acquired him for that. Not one of them offered more than Seattle. I feel like we were desperate enough to do it but that tells you what the league thought of the value.

I don’t think that gets it done. They got a 1&2 from Dallas (I think). We would have paid the “division tax.” It would have been 2 firsts and that STILL may not have happened.

That’s the deal that he can take heat for. I would have paid that price for Shaheed. He would have been a great fit. Waddle and Wilson weren’t options for the Bills. The Colts made a huge move. It could end up being a complete disaster and not because Sauce isn’t good. If Jones isn’t good, which is still TBD, they have no QB and no picks. Maybe they run through vets like Mac Jones and Tua and Lawrence or Kyler but is that a Super Bowl move? I am by no means defending him but get it. If Olave/Waddle/Wilson/DJ Moore/ Deebo etc were all moving around, I would be like WTH? They didn’t. There were lots of teams trying to get WRs and 2 moves I think. This is all the more reason to move UP in the draft to get WRs. They don’t move around easily. Teams re-sign the good ones now. You need to get a good one and not trade back to take Keon Coleman.

I don’t disagree at all Hap. My “line” would certainly be further than his on WR. As an example if the Saints or Jags wanted a 1 for Olave or BTJ, I would have pulled the trigger. That’s where I’d give him a hard time but we do not know if that’s the case here. We have no idea what the “cost” was because no one was able to acquire those 2. We know what the cost was on guys that got dealt. I give Beane much more crap for neglecting the position in the draft and valuing the wrong traits (ie Keon). I also think he falls in love with “his” guys like Bernard and makes bad financial decisions from there. I won’t beat him up too much for not being able to acquire a WR from the AFCE (Waddle/Wilson).

You can believe me or not. That’s on you. If you think that I defend Beane, you must be new here. 🤣🤣 I’ve been arguably his biggest critic when it comes to WR.

I think I would have too.

Shaheed would have cost the Bills like a 3rd and 6th probably (or something like that). The 4th and 5th wouldn’t have been quite enough. That’s a move that I probably would have made as well but it isn’t a no brainer.

BTJ for sure. There were others I’m certain but those I know of.

Again, I’m asking, “which specific move AND at what price would you have done?”

There were multiple negotiations. There was checking in as well but they were exchanging offers on some.

I had heard things early in the day. The Bills were very active. Again, I don’t know where their line was on respective deals but they were in negotiations on multiple trades.

Lol, no. That’s not my opinion, at all. 🤣🤣 You tell me the specific deals that you would have made and we can discuss. I’m on record as willing to pay that 4th and 5th for Shaheed. I’m assuming the Bills would have needed more as those picks will probably be later than Seattle’s. Maybe I would have paid the 4th & 5th needed for Meyers. Otherwise, there wasn’t a deal to be done that we know about. They were trying to get BTJ. I don’t know what the compensation would have been but there’s certainly a line. My line might have been past Beane’s (eg: I might have tried for that Shaheed deal) but there’s no such thing as “whatever the cost is.” If they wanted 2 firsts for BTJ (for example) no way. So I’m asking you, and everyone else in the “do something” camp to be really specific as to what you would have done AND where your line was on those deals?

There’s always a deal to be had but does it make sense? We don’t know what they were offering on Wilson or Waddle or Olave. If the Dolphins said, 2 1’s for Waddle would you do it? That’s too rich for me. I would have for Wilson but apparently they didn’t want to deal with division teams (guessing that was the Pats too). The Bills are one of the best few teams in football. The only contenders that improved today are Seattle, Philly and Indy. It’s not like the elite teams all improved while the Bills stayed still. I’ve been pounding the table to “make a move” as much as anyone. There wasn’t one that moved the needle.

100% agree. They better hope Jones is the guy. If not, they’ll be looking for a QB with no ammo.

Lots of activity today and some major moves. Of the Bills competition the Colts got better but gave up a ton for Sauce. Other than that, it feels like the NFC teams really improved more. I’m on record as thinking that the Bills had to add a boundary WR. The Shaheed comp felt doable but probably had to pay a higher price than Seattle based on where the picks will be. Otherwise, it doesn’t seem like a deal was there to be had. I know that the Bills were active and that’s what I ask of them. Don’t be too arrogant to think that you’re good enough in a spot where you clearly suck. They made the calls and tried to make deals. It takes 2 to tango and you have to be smart. I’m not going to hold this deadline against Beane. Now, it may blow up in his face if they fall short of the Super Bowl but he did try.

@Paup 1995MVP in the hypothetical world where Garrett Wilson is available, what’s your best offer?

Deebo is built like me in my mid 40’s 🤣🤣

They were always the 2 best names discussed. It could be a Ridley and Sweat/Simmons combination too