Kirby Jackson

You just based your entire argument as to why they should stay based on how good the last 5 years have been. When asked if you’re satisfied with those exact 5 years you said, “of course not.” We have seen the last 6 years end in similar fashion. There is no logical reason to have faith in them at this point. We all HOPE that they do it but they haven’t earned the trust that they can. Each year that passes is one less year of prime Josh. If we keep running it back, the Josh Allen window will close someday. If that happens it will be a failure that rivals any team in sport’s history. How many teams will have had a 10 year run like that without even a championship appearance??

Let’s do a little hypothetical. If, over the next 5 years, the Bills do EXACTLY what they did over the last 5 will you be satisfied? Basically, if they win the division and a playoff game or 2 each year will you deem that success? At the end of that time they’ll have a 35 or 36-year-old Josh Allen, 5 more AFCE titles, 60 more wins and 2 AFC Championship appearances. Is that good enough for you?

I’m not personally but I’d like to see less Donaldson. He would be around the goal line only for me. Use him like the Steelers used Bettis at the end of his career.

This feels like good advice. I’d steer clear of SF as that Arizona offense is moving the ball with Brissett although MHJ is out this week. The Cowboys are so inconsistent. They SHOULD win but even bad teams like the Raiders win 4 or 5 games. This is the type of game that those teams can win.

Part of the problem here is people have a tough time detaching from the drought. Obviously they hired a bunch of average to bad coaches in that time. Not one of them had Josh Allen though. What would Chan Gailey look like with Josh? The downside risk just isn’t there to keep status quo. We have 5 or so years of prime Josh left. You can’t miss this window IMO or you might not get one. They’ve already let it get too far IMO.

Lol, a few times a year, you and I are on opposite pages. It makes for good conversation and debate. 🍻 🤷🏻‍♂️

For me, it’s the fact that I think this regime has gotten stale. The Bills were better 4 years ago than they are today. I believe they need a new voice and a fresh outlook. These guys have fallen in love with the guys they chose. That’s why you’re quick to extend Bernard or to bring back guys like Spector and Dane. Personally, I also think that they are near their floor now. With this schedule, and a healthy Josh, 11-6 should be the worst they could be with any competent leadership. There’s no downside risk imo. I don’t think if you hire “insert GM & coach name here” the Bills all of a sudden become a 7 win team. That’s just not happening. These guys get a ton of credit for building to here but they get very little credit for their ability to take it beyond here. Teams on the verge have made changes before and won championships shortly after.

Maybe not. The old Kiffin would have already taken one of these jobs. I do think he goes to Florida but the timing may not work if Ole Miss keeps advancing. He won’t jump ship early this time IMO. He has outgrown that.

I think Lane, post-Saban is a different guy. He’s still a punk but this teams needs a little more of that. That’s one of the qualities that I most desire in the next HC. They’ve lost their edge. They’re better when they’re fiery. That’s certainly true for Josh. Sober Kiffin is a much more mature guy. He’s still a sarcastic jackass but he’s a different dude. He has developed into a really good leader and a winner. The Joey Freshwater days are over. Kiffin is one of the best football coaches in the world IMO. I suspect he goes to Florida but would love him paired with Josh. That’s the best path to a Super Bowl IMO. I do like Kubiak too and would be open to him. As someone that has wanted McDermott gone for a while, I’m open to a lot of alternatives. A new voice is necessary to get to the next step and the clock is ticking. With that being said Gruden isn’t an alternative for me. He’s a bad football coach.

I’m not asking him to marry my daughter. He’s a good football coach, great offensive mind with an edge. This team has no swagger anymore. Watching Josh sit at the end of the bench hanging his head isn’t working for me. I want them to attack. Play with that edge that’s missing. Kiffin will do that. Lol, people are seriously advocating for Jon Gruden but not open to Lane Kiffin?!? 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s not directed at you specifically. That’s more directed at this group in general. Jon Gruden is a terrible football coach. He’s drafted well. That roster is a lot better now than it was when he got there. He found a QB, pass rush and a star WR. That’s a pretty good start.

Got it

“I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.”

Honestly, Doug Pederson is a better coach. I am not advocating for him either.

Can somebody help me understand the Gruden love? 🤣🤣 Other than, “I’ve heard of that guy” he has largely been a lousy coach. He has a 117-112 record and is arguably the worst coach to win a Super Bowl. He wouldn’t be in my top 10.

Burns has been a stud. Schoen did make that trade. Apparently, Carter’s pass rush win rate has been off the charts. He’s just not getting sacks. He’s the betting favorite as DROY.

That’s right that was Modrak (college) and Guy (pro). They were with Levy. I don’t remember if there was crossover. Either way, neither Levy nor Brandon made football decisions. Those other 2 did. Yeah, I’d suspect that they do. They have a nice foundation to work with.

The Giants needs and the Bills needs are different. He was trying to build the Giants ground up. Honestly, he’s done the hard part. He got what appears to be a franchise QB, an elite weapon and a great pass rush. Those are the hardest things to do. In the Bills situation we would basically need him to draft well. He’s good at that. The Bills have had success drafting later in the draft but the roster lacks high end talent. If you had a choice of Joe Schoen running a draft or Brandon Beane, I’m taking Schoen 10 times out of 10. If you’re talking about building out a roster top to bottom, it’s Beane.

Likely both. Beane ultimately had the final decision but Schoen was the guy that basically led scouting. He likely played a leading role in selecting Josh (as he just did with Dart). At least that’s how I understand the relationship. Perhaps @GunnerBill or someone more familiar can correct me if I’m wrong. That’s not all that uncommon. An extreme example is when Russ Brandon was the “GM.” He didn’t make any football decisions. That I know for a fact. He ultimately signed off on everything as the de facto owner but he wasn’t evaluating talent and overruling the guys in place (Modrak and Whaley if memory serves).

Joe Schoen has a scouting background and familiarity with Pegula. He drafted the likely offensive and defensive rookies of the year this year. He drafted a superstar last year too. Schoen is a much better talent evaluator than Beane. Lol, Beane would probably admit to that. We don’t need a guy at this point to be the “ceo” of football ops. We need a guy that find more high end talent. Schoen likely stays at the Giants though.

He was (and is) such a unique talent. He’s an absolute physical freak. He’s over 6’4” and weighs 255 lbs. Edmunds runs a 4.5 40 and has those long arms. It’s hard to believe he’s still only 19.

I don’t disagree. You have no choice but to keep borrowing from the future while you have Josh in his prime. If you’re going to win it will be in this window. As an aside, I think Edmunds is having a big year. I saw him on someone’s DPOY ballot the other day.

He was my guy too. I think he just got $12.5M per. He has the right demeanor to lead men. He has that presence but enough swagger/arrogance to win. He’s also won at every level. Wherever that guy goes, he wins.

Josh and Terry are the only people in this organization with the power to make a change. Josh has reached the LeBron level. If he wants Beane or McDermott gone, they’re gone. I think that we could be because of Josh. Outside of him it is a bad roster. If you plug league average QB play in (think Tua) this is like a 6-10 team. Someone will be excited though to have Josh for a while.

I have little to no interest in a recycled guy. I don’t “need” to see someone that won a long time ago. Bill Cowher was never the answer for the 20 straight years of people screaming for him. Gruden sucks. I also don’t think Shanahan and McVay are realistic so cross them off. Those teams aren’t trading their elite coaches because we want them to. Curt Cignetti was my guy but don’t think that we can afford him at this point. I think that Lane Kiffin is my guy now. He has just enough ego and edge. The Bills have lacked a swagger and killer mentality. This offense would be explosive. Lane would inject that confidence. Schwartz would be my goal at DC. If Schoen gets fired he would be my GM target. He seems to be the scout. He’s drafted elite talent and the Bills roster was better when he was here. If not Schoen, I’d try to pry Nick Casserio away from the Texans. I don’t know what that looks like either but he’s excellent.