Kirby Jackson

Yeah, Sammy was the toughest placement for me. In terms of talent, he belongs at the top (or near it). He was hurt and lazy when he was here. He had flashes of brilliance but nowhere near what his talent showed. Go back and watch the Clemson/OSU Orange Bowl from his last year. He was unstoppable 16/227/2!!

I’d probably have Stevie Johnson ahead of Evans as well. Evans, at his best, was a better WR but feel like Stevie had a better career here. Can you even imagine how good he would be with Josh? That dude just got open and often it was unconventional. Josh would be running around and Johnson would shake free for 25. Wrs of the last 30 years: 1. Diggs 2. Moulds 3. Stevie 4. Evans 5. Beasley 6. Price 7. Brown 8. Gabe 9. Sammy 10. Shakir It would look something like this with Robert Woods and Josh Reed as the next 2.

This was from their last year of college. Obviously you have to factor in level of competition, physical traits, total number of targets, etc… That’s why I said “don’t overreact.” At the same time, this chart says, “here’s how impactful these players were when they were targeted.” We shouldn’t just dismiss it because the guy we drafted had horrible metrics. It’s not the ONLY thing that should be looked at but it certainly should be looked at…

I think that, paired with the Bills driving the narrative. They desperately needed him to be good so they went all-in on telling everyone that he would be.

We shouldn’t overreact to this because there are a lot of good players all over the map. At the same time, there are some extremes in here:

He’s just not any good. He was the EXACT same guy in college. He plays to contact instead of trying to find space. His routes are sloppy and his feet are slow. Keon had a low floor and a moderate ceiling. What he’s good at is low percentage and he’s still just okay at it. What he’s bad at, he’s horrible at. It’s not like he does some things amazing and some things poorly. He does some things okay and some terribly.

Lol, Orlovsky went back and watched the film. His takeaway was we can’t expect him to beat any corner. That’s like a golfer that we shouldn’t expect to use his putter. It’s the most important part of your job bro.

Well, the news of the day is obviously the gambling scandal rocking the NBA. I’m sure that we will see more and more of this as we move forward but this one is obviously HUGE. I just saw that Billups arrest is tied to a poker operation run by the mob. It’s bad when “poker operation run by the mafia” is a better outcome than “HOF player, now coach, arrested for gambling scandal tied to NBA games.” Imagine how much he could impact props?!? Lol, that just feels too convienent. I may have been born in the morning but it’s not this morning.

Bills 24 Panthers 20

It’s WR and maybe WR x2. The defense is getting healthier and you have to play Hairston if he is healthy. You could add a depth corner but not someone that you’ll play ahead of him.

I don’t disagree there. I’m more saying, “if your specialty is incredibly low percentage then I don’t have much use for you.”

That’s like saying “his bread and butter is fadeaway 3’s. He is much better at turn around fadeaway 3’s with a hand in his face than the average player.” The play is a very low percentage play to begin with so I don’t care if he gets 25% while most others get 18%. It’s stupid to be running plays that are a coin flip at best.

Add in the draft resources over the last few years and it’s a much higher percentage in terms of your most valuable assets.

I’ll bet that the Bills use this $ (or a significant portion of it) as well as the sale of junk from the current stadium to fund their foundation. That just makes sense.

Lol, I’ve been monitoring. He was definitely the 2nd most worn at the start of the season. With the release of the new ones we have seen a spike in Cook jerseys. Keon is probably 2nd and maybe 3rd.

I just don’t think that they can admit that failure. This offseason they were feeding the narrative of how improved he was. They were telling us that he was in line for a big year. The Bills are driving, and have been driving, the Keon narrative since he was drafted. If you go through this board for the last year and a half, you will see Keon truthers EVERYWHERE defending him and pumping him up. He is almost certainly the 2nd most worn jersey on Sunday’s in th stadium. It doesn’t feel like they will walk away.

Really well said!! That’s perfectly articulated. The irony is that if they stacked points and limited a team’s ability to run, the defense would be better (not good but better). Instead they try to limit the number of possesssions in a game and the defense’s time on the field. Every game is close for that reason.

Even that I struggle with. They are just taking up space. Lol, no one is going to sit there if there’s a couch or recliner next to them. Maybe if you converted them into some sort of coffee table or something I could see it. It make no sense. Lol, this is coming from someone that is looking a full sized Buffalo Bills video game sitting in my entertaining room (the ones that McKenzie bought for the guys). I spent a lot of money on that nonsense and barely ever use it but I had to have it. 🤣🤣

No doubt. The Keon pick was infuriating for reasons beyond just not liking the player. The entire process was a failure. The way that the Bills chose to “address” the WR room after trading Diggs backed them into a corner. They had an incredible WR draft to work with. They needed to come away with at least 2 guys and AT LEAST one of those 2 ready to play 65+% of the snaps and be between 800-1000 yards. They needed a 100+ target guy day 1. Those guys were in the draft even if they didn’t work out. The Bills had to factor in “floor” because they didn’t have starting caliber NFL receivers. What did they do instead? They traded down twice. The first trade down allowed their biggest nemesis to get the fastest player in combine history. The Bills then settled on a prospect that had MAJOR red flags. That doesn’t mean Keon was destined to fail. It does mean though that he was WAY too big of a gamble for the situation that they were in. They couldn’t risk him being exactly what he is (and exactly what he was in college). So while, I didn’t like the player coming out, the fit was even worse. This is the guy that they bet on:

Oh I’m not denying there’s a market for them. I’d probably talk myself into getting mine. Lol, it’s more “why?” I can see a sports bar wanting to display them. I was at Tully’s the other day and I’m 90% sure they have old stadium seats in there somewhere. Maybe Bennigan’s will pull down some upside down unicycles and replace them with conjoined plastic chairs? It’s the personal ownership that I’m struggling with. I’ll probably get excited and waste money on mine. I’ll bring it home and put it in the garage until I “find a better place for it.” It’ll sit there for about 3 months before I start getting questions about “what do you plan to do with that?” After another 3 months I’ll start getting asked, “why don’t you put that in your office or to the curb?” Obviously, I’m not going to put it in my office because my office is nice and throwing a couple of random plastic chairs in the corner does nothing to elevate the aesthetic. Another 3 months will go by and the pressure mounts to get them out of the garage. After 3 more months, the walls have caved in and something will have to give. I’ll give them both to my developmentally disabled cousin who will think that they’re amazing. After 2 months my aunt will be all over him to get rid of them because they don’t go in his apartment. 3 days will pass and he will sell them on Facebook marketplace for $32 a piece. I’ll have to drive over to his house, load them in the car, and drive to a Wegman’s parking lot to meet the buyer so that my cousin can collect $64. He will put that $64 towards Madden ‘28.

Do people really want their seats? I have so many memories in that stadium. In many ways, it’s my happy place. At the same time, I can’t wait for the new stadium and have no desire to have some crappy plastic chairs at my house. What are you supposed to do with it? Are we supposed to just look at them and be like, “remember the snow game?”

I’ll add a layer too. You overvalue the guys that you selected. “Draft and re-sign our own” is great in theory. When you start overpaying for guys like Rousseau and Bernard it puts you in a tough spot.

Why are you moving the goal posts? I’m challenging the claim that if the Bills had a “better WR that he would get little snap counts.” Let’s stick to the topic… Also, FWIW, the Bills scored 7.4 more PPG and threw for 60.8 more YPG in the games that Cooper was in uniform. You can attribute whatever percentage of that to Cooper that you see fit but there is no way to argue that they were better without him than with him. The numbers are the numbers. Now back to the one point of this conversation…