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I grew up in Rochester, born in 1960 so the 70’s is when I really was growing up. I was always a diehard Bills fan probably mostly because my parents were. However, I didn’t know any other Bills fans. My best friends were Dolphin fans. Others I knew were Cowboy fans. When the Bills finally got good in the late 80’s, I think all of that changed but there still are many fans of other teams in Rochester.I remember leaving a friend’s apartment after the 51-3 drubbing of the Raiders. I had some kind of car trouble. A kid was outside and talking to me while I was trying to start my car, he was around 10 years old, lived his whole life in Rochester and was a Raiders fan.

Great find, thanks for posting this. i live about halfway between LA and San Diego. At the time, I mostly listened to San Diego sports talk radio. I remember after the Chargers traded to the #2 spot that most that called in were very afraid that the Colts could take Leaf and they’d either be “stuck” with P. Manning or would take a non QB.

I heard Gil Brandt say it yesterday. I'm likely off with the numbers, but there were somewhere around 20 "1st round players" in this year's draft.

I have Bills plate covers on all four of my family's cars even though my wife and kids (sadly) only care about the Bills because I do. Obviously Bills plates aren't available in California but I've never wanted to pay the state an extra annual fee for specific plates so I doubt I'd have them if I still lived in NY.

What are you disagreeing with? No one above said he was the best Bills DL, although Colorado said he was his favorite. Sadly I don’t remember any of them. I was born in ‘60, didn’t follow football until I was around 8, and even then only remember offensive players until years later.

Great news. Good luck Frank!

Was listening to Polian the other day. First, he spoke up both Reich and Frazier for the job (Reich a bit more enthusiastically), then he basically how bad off the Colts are. Not saying Reich should wait and not take it, but that th Colts have virtually nothing other than Luck and are likely to be last in the division until they can completely turn over the roster.

I disagree. Perhaps “fun” is going too far, but you should enjoy your job. People leave well paying jobs all the time because they don’t like their boss, their colleagues, the company culture, etc. We spend most of our waking hours at work, ͏y͏o͏u should not be miserable their. Now, I also think part of enjoying your job is being successful, so, if the rest is great but the company is consistently doing horribly, that can take much of the enjoyment out. The original premise was 5 rings (I.e. consistent success) in a fear based organization vs. 1 ring (I.e. some success) in a fun organization. I think it still depends on the person as many likely don’t consider the one fear based as much as driven to succeed. But, I think if as am employee you believe it’s fear based, you’d prefer to be in the occasional success environment.

First, I’d love for the Bills to get Foles, I don’t believe his postseason play is a fluke. The Eagles do not have significant cap issues that would force them to make this move, Jason Peters will be gone if he doesn’t restructure to give cap relief. They have less free agents than most teams and I believe know what they want or can do with them. Combined, there top two qbs are making less than many teams are paying one. They will get get a quality backup cheaper than Foles. Wentz had an acl and lcl tear. Those are the reasons the Eagles should keep him. On the other hand, Wentz still is confident he’ll be ready and will start the season opener. It seems unlikely the Eagles will be able to keep Foles for more than this season as he will sign a big contract elsewhere. They can likely get a first for him now or get nothing next year (unless they plan to tag and trade which could be possible). Ultimately, I think it depends on: - when do they believe Wentz will be ready - what are they offered - what is their backup backup ab plan As I started with, I would be thrilled for the Bills to make a run for him.

I read your first few posts and then skipped ahead to the last page. As with most here, I can't buy much of what you are saying. Of course he has the legal right to change his mind, pretty sure no one is in dispute on that. Your argument is that there is no integrity issue with what he did since he did not sign a contract and that is where I and others disagree with you (including Tony Dungy, Bill Polian, Pat Kirwin - but, as you say, his kids could care less about what any of them or us think). You made the statement that anyone who gets a better offer and would still honor their verbal commitment is lying. I don't buy that at all. I know I have and would in the future honor my word with or without a signed agreement (I've always been an "at will" employee so a signed agreement could not stop me from changing my mind if I so desired). I've switched companies and have told the one I was leaving to not bother counter offering because I already accepted the other position. I've hired quite a few people in my time, and none has ever backed out although I've always heard that it's possible. I have had people delay giving an answer because they have been waiting for either a counter offer from their current company or an offer from someone else they've been waiting on. In those cases, yes, some have taken the other offer, but, they never accepted the position with me either verbally or in writing prior to the other offer. If they did agree and then decommitt, they would have been blackballed from every company I've worked for. The point is, the time to negotiate both and to do due diligence with your family, etc. is BEFORE you give your word, before you hire others to follow you, not after. That's called integrity and in my opinion most still have it. To your points that teams break contracts all the time, not really true. They act within the agreement. I.e. with coaches they pay the remainder of the contract (as you know, Rex is still taking quite a bit of money from the Pegulas), or whatever the terms were. When Ralph fired Wade and refused to pay him saying he quit but being insubordinate, I think most Bills fans were horrified by Ralph's actions and he eventually lost in court.

I was at that game. When Denver lined up to take the FG I decided it was a good time to go to the bathroom. Bad decision. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/9/30/1703600/september-30-1990-bills-score-20-points-in-77-seconds Also, the next week was the Monday night game against Oakland that others had mentioned where they came back from losing from 10 to winning by 14 in the 4th quarter. It was not quite as dramatic a comeback only because it took longer (i.e. more than 77 seconds), but was still a huge comeback in back to back games. I remembered both of those, but had forgotten until I just watched this video but the following week they came back against the Jets in the last 30 seconds to make it three straight fourth quarter come from behind victories. http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/1990-Three-Straight-Come-From-Behind-Victories/f1793f31-d7f1-4abb-9c20-82fd3e075d7a

Three years ago, both of our dogs died. Our whole family went when we put Lulu to sleep in March. I think it was important for all of us to say goodbye. Eight months later our other dog was having breathing problems. The vet wanted to keep him overnight for treatment, we got a call in the middle of the night that Buckley died of heart failure. I was upset that we weren’t with him and able to say goodbye. Bring your family with you.

I was thinking about this game yesterday when the Vikings keeled down for the extra point. The difference between class and no class. Carroll taking the two points was classless.

Just added my $17. Now over $12,600.

Last time the Bills were in the playoffs: as with many others who have posted, my son wasn't born yet (now 16 years old). And, the starting QB for that game (we all know it was Rob Johnson), is now the OC for my son's HS team and may be promoted to head coach since his father, Bob Johnson, just retired last month.

Correct except for the last part. If just the Ravens and Bills are tied at 9-7, and if the Raven's losses are to either Bengals or to Colts and one other AFC team (likely Steelers), and if the Bills wins are 2x Dolphins and Colts, it goes down to strength of victories which we are well ahead on.

I heard this discussed on Sirius XM NFL Radio a couple of hours ago. Didn't hear who they were interviewing, but sounded like it was someone either in charge of referees or part of the rules committee. He said he expects the NFL to look at it and make rule changes accordingly. The interviewer (not sure, but it may have been Jim Miller) suggested the rule is 15 seconds left or whenever the center touches the ball, whichever comes first. In any case, good for McVay to use the rules as it currently is to his team's advantage.

Thanks for posting this 34. The analysis in that post was quite good. It sounded a lot like the ones from some of our better post game posters after our losses.

Assuming our main worry is a tie with Baltimore and that our record ends up at 9-7 in a two way tie (for a three way tie there are two many options on who the other team is to figure it out right now): - They are 5-5 which means they will go 4-2 in their last six games. - They play Houston (tonight), Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cleveland, Ind, Cin - Since we don't play them, the next tiebreaker is division record. - Both of us are currently 4-3 in the AFC. The rest of our games are against AFC teams so our conference record will be 7-5 for us to be at 9-7. Baltimore must lose two games to AFC teams (unless of course they lose three games but that changes all of the above assumptions that we both get to 9-7). - Likely one of the losses will be to Pittsburgh. = The next tiebreaker is common opponents. - We both play Miami (us twice), Cincinnati (them twice), Oakland, Indianapolis. I.e. we have five games against common opponents. - If we split with both NE and Miami, that is much worse than the more likely scenario of us beating Miami twice and losing to NE twice. Same thing with losing to Indianapolis but beating NE one time to get to our 9-7 record. Since both Baltimore and the Bills play Miami and Indianapolis, they are critical to our common opponent record. - If we beat Miami twice and Indianapolis, our common opponent record will be 4-1 (two over Miami, W over Ind and Oakland). - Currently, Baltimore is 3-0 in common opponents (W over Cin, Oak, Miami). So, their other, non-Pittsburgh loss must be to either Cin or Ind. If so, then we are both tied for common opponents. - Next tiebreaker after common opponents is strength of victories. As of now, and including our future wins against Miami twice and Ind, our wins are against teams with 40 wins. Baltimore, after adding in wins against Houston, Detroit, Cleveland, and Cincinnati, are against teams with 37 wins (if they lost to Cincinnati and beat Indianapolis instead, their wins would be against teams with 35 wins). Bottom line, we need to win the games we're supposed to win and need Baltimore to lose to either Cincinnati or to Indianapolis.

I'm going, bought 12 tickets @ $136 each (end zone). I've been to StubHub Center for Galaxy games, can't wait to go to the Bills / Chargers there.

I was at the game, end zone seats on the side that Christie's winning field goal was kicked. I lived in Endicott, NY at the time, a 3.5 hour drive. The night before I stayed with friends who lived in Orchard Park and had season tickets in the end zone near the tunnel (I along with a few other friends bought those tickets for them for their wedding). He came to our seat at halftime, looking really dejected. If he had said, "let's go back to my house and drink", I would have been gone. If I wasn't driving back to Endicott after the game to go to work the next day, I would have been gone. But, he didn't offer and I didn't bring it up, we stayed. To be honest, I was very late in thinking the comeback was happening. I remember at least after the first two scores and maybe even the third, saying to my friends that were sitting with me, "This is just making it less embarrassing, there's no way we're coming back to win this." I absolutely didn't BILLieve, even though I'd been at some great comebacks for the Bills (such as vs. Broncos in September 1990, Bills score 20 points in 77 seconds of the 4th to win 29-28).

Just bought plane tickets to go visit my father in Rochester. Will be at tc the last day of camp with him. He turns 93 the following weekend. We last went to camp for the 2nd day two years ago. Since I rarely post, none of you feel you know me, but I've been reading most of your posts daily for many years.

Of course most of us remember Kevin Everett. How about Derrick Burroughs? 1st round (pick 14) pick for the Bills in 1985 draft. Excellent DB. A Monday night game in 1989 against Houston he injured his neck and never played football again. He was diagnosed with spinal stenosis. He wanted to make a comeback, but no team would touch him. According to this article, https://tspnnews.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/derek-burroughs-erased-from-history/he had to sue the Bills to even get his medical bills paid for (I presume they said it was a preexisting condition, but I didn't research it and didn't know the Bills refused to pay until I looked up the article). Bill Polian was mentioning him on Sirius XM the other day, without mentioning his name. Just said that one of our 1st round picks from the 80s had this condition, the Bills knew about it before the draft but the doctors said he was safe "unless he had an incident." Per Bill, in the Houston game he had an incident and that was the end of his career. I found it interesting that Bill described the entire thing but did not mention his name. And, I had never heard before that the Bills knew he was vulnerable before hand. I kind of remember it had been reported as if we were surprised to learn of the defect until after the injury. By the way, Burroughs is now an assistant coach at Jackson State.

Was I really rambling? I thought I gave the details of the story pretty well. And although I thought it was quite a bizarre story that the guy was making a career decision based on a postcard and the name of a stranger he met at a gas station, I enjoyed listening to it and thinking that if he's good (since frankly I have no idea), that's got to be the worst reason ever for us to miss out on a free agent signing. Bill Polian listened to the entire story (probably more than 5 minutes of Tre telling it), then said something like, "What a great story."

I just heard Bill Polian interview Tre Boston on Sirius XM. Tre explained why he chose the Chargers. He went back to Carolina after visiting both teams and was trying to decide. He stopped at a gas station he had never been to before. While he's pumping gas, someone pulls up and asks if he could spare 1 or 2 dollars to help with gas. Tre gave him $20. The two talked for a while, the man explained his story, told him what he makes and how he decides what to use for gas and what to spend on food. Tre gave him another $20. The two kept talking and Tre felt the man was put in his life to help him. He was thinking about how to ask the man his opinion ("Buffalo or LA" or "choose city 1 or city 2"). Then, before he asks anything, the man says, "My name is Mike Daniels (I may have remembered the last name wrong, sorry) "but everyone calls me "L.A." Tre immediately started to think this was a sign. Then, he turns around to the gas pumps. The one he was at had one of those credit card leaflet holders and there was a postcard that said "Jesus saves." He checked all the other pumps, this was the only one with a Jesus saves postcard. At this point, he was convinced this was a sign from G-d that he is meant to go to LA. He went home and told his wife and was crying the entire time because he's convinced he was given a sign as to what he must do. Just listening to him, I think he's more of a Buffalo person than an LA person. Very much a family man, that sounds like he'd be happier in the smaller city.