OldTimer1960

Colts did not trade anything to pick Luck. Multiply by 10 if you trade 3 firsts plus for a QB.

Agreed - I have a difficult time thinking that they might trade 12, 22, 53, 65 and next year's first for any of these QBs. Sure, I'd like a shiny new QB in the draft for hope, but I am thinking that given the price to move up for one of the "big 4" would preclude the ability to build a competitive roster. I think there really are 3 QBs that are very good prospects: Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield. Beyond that, I would not trade any picks to move up for Allen or Jackson. I'm not very confident that either of them is better than Mason Rudolph, Kyle Lauletta or Mike White. If they trade up for a QB, 2018 will need to be a red-shirt year for the rookie QB, otherwise he could easily lose confidence or get hurt in a significant way behind this OL.

Beane has been spotted at Area 51 and claims he was abducted by "alien beings". That isn't even as wild a theory as the above.

Andrew Luck says it sucks to be a QB when your OL is bad. NOT saying that they should skip drafting a QB because of this, but the rookie should not see the field this year under any circumstances behind this line.

Even among very good NFL QBs, it is truly the RARE guy that doesn't need OL protection, receivers that can get open and catch and a good run game. Anyone that feels that all the Bills need to do is trade a ton of picks to move up for "their guy" are likely in for a let down when they don't see him light up the league with the supporting cast such a move would allow. I'm not saying that they should not consider trading up, but rather if they do - even if they find a good QB, it will likely take 2-3 more years - maybe by 2020 - to build the talent level around him to be a contender.

That is true, but they had and have a lot of high draft choices on that team before the trade.

I'll keep saying it: the Rams had A LOT more talent in place before their big draft trade to get Goff than do the Bills.

Mayfield also played in that conference and the Pac10 where Darnold and Rosen played is not exactly known for top defenses either.

I agree with this - I think he could be a good starting NFL QB that has a team with sufficient talent always in the playoff mix. I don't think he is going to be able to carry an under-talented team on his shoulders to the championship, but there are *very* few QBs in the history of the NFL that could really do it.

King has a strong leg - he might kick one out of the stadium in Denver.

I do agree with this- smaller LBs and DL to provide coverage and pass rush could be taken advantage by a contrarian power run game approach. Not sure if that would be enough to overcome other teams if you don’t have at least a competent passing game.

What I am saying, is if they are eyeing a QB at 22, and IF the Pats also want a QB, then it would be possible for the Pats to jump ahead of the Bills and take the QB. If you are saying that all 8 QBs are roughly equivalent or that there is the "big 4" then a tier of Rudolph and Jackson and then 2-3 other 3rd tier QBs - all QBs roughly equal in their tier, then I would be surprised if any given team thinks that. For argument's sake, say that the Bills think highly of Rudolph and are shut out of the top 4, they might be perfectly happy to sit at 22 at take Rudolph. However, now with the Pats sitting at 23, it would be an easy trade up to get in front of the Bills. Of course, this assumes that the Pats are 1) in the market for a QB and 2) like the same guy the Bills do. But to point 2, once you get past the big 4, there are only Rudolph, Jackson, Lauletta and White that could conceivably be considered at 22.

The Rams had a very solid defense and a good deal more talent overall when they traded up for Goff than the Bills currently have. Even with the ability to add some players in FA next year, it will hurt if they are missing their 1st pick next year due to a big trade up this year. i would be very surprised if Beane's master plan is to load up on FAs next year eating up all the cap room he just cleared this year. Yes, I think they will sign some FAs, but I wouldn't expect them to spend like drunken sailors.

Pats now have 2 firsts and 2 seconds: 23, 31, 43, 63. It is not as much as the Bills, but it isn't so far behind that they can't cause the Bills some trouble. I don't think he does either.

Absolutely true, but many here have over-valued the Bills' draft "capital" - other teams have near as much and *might* drive the cost of a QB to ridiculous levels that a team can never recover from.

If Pats want a QB ahead of 22, they certainly have the ammo to move ahead of Bills if they are willing to get into a bidding war.

Until this deal, it was at least plausible to think the Bills could nab a great non-QB prospect at 12 and then come back at 22 or a bit earlier to get a 2nd tier QB in Rudolph, Jackson - possibly including White and Lauletta. Now that door has been essentially shut.

The Patriots threat - it is real and a at least will force the Bills into taking a QB no later than 12 or they will be shut out of even the 2nd tier QBs. I like what McDermott and Beane are doing, but I think that they have been out maneuvered by both the Jets and Pats. Pats might not move ahead of them, but they have removed the possibility of taking a position player at 12 and hoping to get a QB at 22, let alone hoping to get a QB In round 2.

If they miss without giving up multiple years of draft picks, your statement is true. However, if they trade 12, 22, 53 and next year’s first to move up and select one, then I think that is a recipe for regret. I will say, go ahead and trade 12 & 22 to move up - that is the fruit from trading back with KC last year. Beyond that, I sincerely hope that they have a STRONG conviction about the guy that they are trading up for - lots of room for error giving up more than the Bills’ 1st round picks.

Completely agree. I could see trading 12 & 22 and maybe 53 to move up. I would have to think VERY hard before I'd give up more, but it depends who is left aft pick 3 - I can't see any way to get to 2 without depleting too many picks for a team desperately in need of new talent at some key positions including LB and WR.

Both Philly and especially the Rams had much more talent already on hand before those big trades for Wentz and Goff. Neither of those QBs would have had that level of success without support

I am only saying that his arm is weaker than Rosen's, Allen's and Darnold's, but I don't believe that equates to "dish rag arm". At least in my opinion, his arm is not too weak, just not as strong as those 3 have. Rosen and Allen have *some* experience under center, but I think both played plenty from the shotgun. I am not campaigning to draft Mason Rudolph, but I do think he is a better prospect than some here think he is. Who is right, of course, will only known in 2-3 years. I would not be surprised if Rudolph is picked in round one or early round 2.

SO many experts that know Rudolph is no good. I think That there is a very reasonable chance that he will be better than at least 2 of the “top 4”

I’m aligned.

Watch out, you are in heresy territory with that post. Some here know that he sucks because a few draft guides say that he is a borderline 1st/2nd round player. Some of those posters only want the (VERY RARE) QB savior, who single-handedly carries a team to victory regardless of the defense or offensive weapons he has to work with. Why do you think that Rudolph is inferior to those anointed prospects? If it is only arm strength, please explain Brees, Brady and Montana as great QBs with less-than-elite arm strength. If if your argument is that Rudolph has little experience under center, same applies to the top prospects as well. Further, if you are looking for a transcendent talent to carry the team, who among the top tier did that? I submit that is indeed a very rare ability and therefore not one that you make the basis of your team building process.