OldTimer1960

I wonder how they would fit as well. If the idea is to add them and play 2 LBs frequently using their size/speed either in secondary or LB to help disguise defense, it makes some sense. But, to me I think it is more likely that they will look for a CB than a big safety if they make a pick in the secondary. Duggar and Chin are both outstanding testing athletes, but from a lower level of competition that you really need to project how they will pan out in the NFL.

Oh man, he was a monster - I remember watching him play back in the era of dominant Centers in the NBA.

In the years that you cited, the Bills had considerably more “draft capital” than they do this year. I do expect them to try to trade up using their 5th and later picks, but I don’t expect a big move up in the 2nd because I don’t think they will want to give up their 3rd to do so. i can see sitting where they are in the 2nd and maybe moving up a bit in round 3 or trying for a big move up in round 4. There may be some guys left to start day 3 that are really sticking out on their board - perhaps at WR, RB or maybe CB that they might be willing to part with their 5th, 6th and 7th for.

They have been picking later than the Bills in each round. That make it harder to find good players. Expect the Bills to have more misses now that they are picking in the back 1/3 of rounds.

I’d root for him to succeed if the Bills draft him, but I don’t think he will be taken before round 5. I’m no expert, that is for sure, it’s just my opinion based on watching him play a few games, his athletic testing scores, size and what I’ve read. watch him vs Wisconsin’s OL - both of their OTs handled him

I love Willekes’ story of walk-on to college star, but I don’t know if he is any more than a fringe NFL player.

If you are looking for size, my preference would be Pittman over Claypool. Doesn’t mean I’m right, but I am not that high on Claypool.

So, who is the good edge prospect? Do they think enough of Okwara or Greenard to take them there? I think that Anae and Weaver were highly productive, but don’t look like the kind of athlete that would warrant that high a pick. I do think they could find a good CB prospect there.

I like Kmet - he showed up more than Claypool did in the games that I was watching specifically to see Claypool. But if you are looking to add dynamic offensive weapons, I don’t see him as that. He looks like a good chain moving receiver, though.

Butler’s DL coach In Carolina (Eric Washington) is here now and I assume that they would have asked his opinion before signing Butler. They must see upside or a better scheme fit here to entice them to bring him here.

No doubt that McFarland is fast, but is is quite small - not just short. He weighs a respectable 208, but I didn't see any power or ability to break any tackles (avoiding a tackle is different, but he is not as "shifty" as Singletary, IMHO). I think it would be a mistake to take McFarland before round 4, but that is only my opinion. I'm not in the camp that thinks we need a big powerful, less-quick guy like Dillon or Moss, but I think pairing Singletary with If there is a WR that is TRULY standing out on their board so far that it is a no-brainer, then I could understand that. I understand that it is a deep class and there might be someone that you just can't say no to sitting there. In my opinion, I don't think Shenault or Higgins would be so highly rated that they would feel that way, but maybe they like them or Reagor, Mims or Hamler enough to pull the trigger if they are there.

For sure, I don’t know what he will do. I agree that a trade up is pretty likely at some point in the draft.

I think Higgins’ pretty poor athletic testing would be a big concern for me, but his production was certainly very good. I’m just not a Shenault fan - to me he is an athlete without developed skill at any position and he is coming off surgery, so no chance for him to address concerns over his speed from the combine and his injury history is a risk. I know that some people really like him and I could certainly be wrong. Out of curiosity, why would you advocate for another WR in round 2 when they already essentially used their 1st on Stefon Diggs and have good 2 & 3 options in Brown and Beasley? I can’t see a WR getting more playing time than another RB to pair with Singletary. To be clear, I would only take a RB in round 2 if I thought that they were better prospects than could be had at DE and maybe CB, but I do think that is likely how it will fall.

I don’t think he will have to trade up to get a very good RB. I think one of the top 5 (6 if you like Moss) will be there at 54. In my opinion save the trade up for round 4 where you might still have a very good WR prospect still around

I think it comes down to who is available at RB and who is available at more “valued” positions like DE, CB and OT. We won’t know how the draft will fall until it is in progress, but there is at least a reasonable chance that one of the very good RBs will be available (CEH, Dobbins, Akers, maybe even Taylor) - if the Bills have them rated considerably higher than any of the remaining DE or OT - are you advocating that they reach for a lower graded player at a more valued position? I agree that DE is a more valuable position and is a long-term need, but I suspect that there might be good CBs that may be graded close to the RBs, but not likely DE or OT.

I can understand that rationale. Do you think that Greenard can become at least an average starting DE, not necessarily immediately? I liked what I saw in the games that I watched. How do you compare Greenard and Okwara? Okwara looked more athletic than I expected when I watched him. Toss up between those 2 as prospects for me, I think.

Question is whether Julian Okwara, Jonathan Greenard, Bradee Anae or some other DE is a good enough prospect to overlook a very good prospect at other positions Like RB, WR or CB. Taking an “OK” DE prospect doesn’t help that much, but if you think you are getting a good long-term starting DE that can get you 6-8 sacks a year then by all means do it.

I voted Taylor because even though I liked what I saw from Greenard, I still feel like Taylor is the better prospect. I like Mims a lot, but I don’t think it would be prudent to take a WR in the 2nd with Diggs, Brown and Beasley even though Brown and Beasley are getting older. I don’t know that Cleveland is strong enough to see the field this year and you never know if he can get strong enough to succeed in run blocking.

I don’t think any of us are arguing that we’d choose RB over DE - given equivalent prospects available at DE and RB at 54. However, it doesn’t look like there will be equivalent DEs to the RBs that will likely be available then. It surprises me that some would be OK taking another WR in round 2, but would be upset over a RB to platoon with Singletary. Others have made this argument as well, but let’s say the Bills will run the ball 25 plays per game (probably slightly underestimated). If Singletary gets 15 of those, that leaves 10 carries for the 2nd back. That is far more touches than even Diggs will get at WR, let alone a WR4. I get it, there are some good RBs that have been found in 3rd-4th-5th rounds. But, look at where the Bills’ now pretty good WR group was drafted: Stefon Diggs round 5, John Brown round 3, Cole Beasley undrafted. Again, if there is a very good DE prospect at 54, then I would be on board to prioritize that over the RBs, but I don’t see a DE prospect that will likely be available that I would think would be comparable to Edwards-Helaire or Akers (or Taylor). With the same argument, I would prefer an equivalent talent at CB over the RBs. I haven’t yet looked as closely at CB as I did DE and RB, so maybe that position will have equivalent players to RB at 54.

What are you willing to trade to move up? The Bills’ 2nd and 3rd might get them from pick 24 of round 2 to pick 10 of round 2.

Who would game changing edge be that is available at pick 54?

Your argument makes sense, but your never going to convince the "RBs are a dime-a-dozen" guys. They are totally dug-in on the position that you should never draft a RB early. I would, of course, prefer to find a good starting-caliber DE in round 2 over a RB, but I don't see that in the offing with this class. I'm just not enamored with the DE class overall, especially once you get past Young, Epenesa, Gross-Matos and Chaisson. Even, those guys (except Young) have considerable questions - Epenesa - is he a good enough athlete to translate to NFL? Gross-Matos and Chaisson are more athletic upside than proven production at this point. At 54 you are looking at guys DEs like Notre Dame's Okwara, Forida's Greenard and Bradley Anae. I expect that there will be better prospects at CB and particularly RB than there will be at DE or OT. So then the question is do you reach for a player at a more important position (DE, OT) or take a better prospect at CB or RB?

I would love to get Akers, but can't imagine him being available in the last 1/3 of round 3.

I'm not opposed to Gibson in the latter portion of the draft, but this is a guy who touched the ball a total of 77 times on plays from scrimmage in 2 years at Memphis. I haven't read that an injury was responsible for the lack of touches, so you really have to ask - if he is such a dynamic weapon, why didn't his coaches at Memphis call more plays to get the ball into his hands? I am not saying that there might not be a good answer to that question, but this seems like a case where the hype (at least on this board) based on his size/speed far exceeds what he has shown in college.

Who do you like among the DEs for pick 54? I could *maybe* see Okwara fro Notre Dame or possibly Greenard from Florida. I wanted to like Anae, but I just don't see it (not that I am an expert). I wasn't that impressed with Terrell Lewis, either. Alton Robinson looks to have some upside, but round 2 seems a little rich for him. i have to believe that there will be better prospects available at 54 at CB and RB. I just don't think that the DE class is very good this year. If I am right, it is too bad, because the Bills could certainly use a young talent there.