OldTimer1960

While I like some of what we saw from Darryl Johnson, if they don’t take a DE in round 2 it could also just mean that they didn’t like the DEs that were available enough to take one - I don’t think it necessarily says much about their thoughts on Johnson. Late in round 2 this year I don’t think the DE options will be great. I agree - I really like how hard he runs when he has the ball, but so many of his touches were schemed to get him the ball on passes +/-5 yards of LOS and on handoffs that it is hard to say he is a WR. Combined with his pedestrian 40 and injuries, I think it would be wise to avoid him.

Funny stuff!

I wouldn't over-prioritize WR based on the argument (alone) that this is a "historically deep" class. There *might* be some value available at the position when Bills picks come up, but just because there are more than usual 2nd and 3rd round rated prospects doesn't mean that you have to grab one. Now, if someone they had graded a full round or more higher than the round that they are in, that would be value and could entice them, but if say it is Bills pick in late 3rd and there are a few WRs that they had graded as maybe earlier 3rd round prospects - that wouldn't necessarily make them automatic picks - depends on who is available at other positions.

I just think that they need another *good* back. If they can help in the passing game, so much the better, but I am not married to "big power back" or "speedster" - just someone who can gain yards consistently and share the load with Singletary. For example, if Edwards-Helaire is available, I wouldn't rule him out as an option just because he is similar in size/speed to Singletary. I see WR similarly - I don't think that there is a glaring hole in the offense because they don't have a 6'4" WR. If a guy can make catches and gain yards - he is qualified in my opinion.

Agree. How do you see Moss vs Dillon? I wasn’t initially super excited by either, but I’ve watched several games of each and can see some value to both (but definitely not before 3rd round). I think I see Moss as a better option than Dillon even though Dillon’s combine testing was really something for his size and Moss’ left a bit to be desired.

I remember Keith Moody (1970s) being very good). 88 PRs 10.5 avg, 3 TDs

I think that there will be good WR prospects available at 54, but “first round WR talent” at 54 is, I suspect, a bit optimistic. There is a possibility that someone like Shenault that is coming off injury, has injury history and hasn’t been able to work out or be medically checked might be available, but I don’t think that will be enough to entice them. I just can’t see the Bills taking WR in 2nd after spending their 1st on WR (Diggs), Unless there is a WR at 54 that is rated SO much higher than who is available at other positions. I think that rating gap would have to be pretty wide to entice them to spend their 2nd on WR.

I think it is hard to predict what the Bills will do based on the past 2 years in the draft. They had a plan which was to fortify the defense first in their rebuild and to get a QB prospect that they like. They have done that and I would expect that they will continue now building the offense - that doesn't mean that they won't take any defensive players this year - I still think that is a strong possibility this year.

I liked Alton Robinson when I watched his full games as well. He seems to be one of the more athletic DEs in the draft this year. I don't know how teams view Julian Okwara (Notre Dame), but he looks to me like he has considerable pass rush potential as a DE.

Where did this notion that he has breakaway speed come from? I don’t see that in the games that I watched and his combine 40 was over 4.6 (not game breaking speed for a RB).

Whose speed are you talking about? Dillon did run an impressive 4.5ish 40, but he isn't very elusive and Perine neither looks fast (to me) nor did he run better than 4.6 at the combine.

I think the RB class depth is maybe a bit overblown. There are some really good prospects in Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, Edward-Helaire and I think that Akers and Moss aren’t too far behind them with Evans being interesting. Beyond them, I think you are into guys who aren’t very special- and I group AJ Dillon and Perine into the not special group. Of course, those are just my opinions- others may see it differently.

I wasn’t nearly as impressed with Perine as some in this thread are. I think he is a consolation prize that you might take in the 4th or 5th round if you don’t take a back earlier. At least based on the games that I watched and also based on what I’ve read,I can’t see a case to take him any higher than the 4th. Just my opinion...

I really like Bryan Edwards, but I think Duggar is too much of a projection for my tastes with limited draft choices a this year. He is for sure a terrific athlete and he did dominate his low-level competition, but he won’t have the same size/speed advantage over opponents in the NFL that he did at his college. He is also old for a rookie at 24 y.o. and would be trying to contribute early making a HUGE jump up in competition. He might pan out to be great, but I think too risky in round 2.

I cannot see the Bills using both their 1st (Diggs) AND 2nd picks on WR. Only scenario I could imagine would be if a WR who they graded as a 1st rounder was miraculously still available- and even then it would take big ones to take another WR there.

Difference is that Chaisson is only 20 years old and was trending up in production at the end of the year.

Of that list, I think Chaisson as he will be drafted mostly on potential, not production. Still, he is young (not 21 until July), reportedly a hard worker and has all the physical tools to be very good.

THIS is the point - at least in my opinion. I don’t think they would take RB in round 2 unless they feel that the RBs are graded at or very near the top of their board of remaining players. I think that is fairly likely to be the case. If there are players at other positions, particularly DE or CB that they rate equal to or higher than the available RBs, then I think they will take the DE or CB. I do not think that they will take a WR in round 2, even if graded highly unless they are graded SO much higher than other positions that they just can’t avoid picking him. That would be equivalent to trading up in round 1 for WR (Diggs) and then taking WR again in round 2.

Agreed. I think that they'd have at least gotten Yeldon on the field for some plays if they really liked his game that much.

I think that they continued to play Gore because: 1. Deference to his leadership and his long and highly productive career - I think this was a very big consideration for them. 2. Ball security - when they were in position to want to eat time, Gore was the guy they handed it to because he rarely fumbled.

I can see maybe 3rd. I don’t think he at is at the level of Taylor, Edwards-Helaire, Dobbins or even Akers. I do think he is considerably better than AJ Dillon. Just my opinion and while I love following the draft, I am certainly not qualified to claim any scouting expertise.

What am I missing when I watch Moss? I have watched a number of his full game videos and he strikes me as “OK”, but not special. 3rd or 4th round maybe?

I would rather have Michael Pittman, but really can’t see the Bills taking a WR in 2nd after trading their 1st for Diggs.

The folks discussing a RB are looking not for a “feature” back to get 20 carries a game, but a very good RB to split touches about evenly with Singletary. I’m not a big fan of Dillon. He isn’t horrible, but there is a reason that you will likely see him last until round 4 and that is that he is pretty much one dimensional and he will have more trouble running over NFL defenders than he did against weaker college defenders.

I agree with the need/desire to find a DE, but who is it that will be available at DE at pick 54 that you think is worth taking there? This comment is not aimed at anyone in particular, but there are A LOT of posts saying that they would rather have a DE in round 2 over the likely handful of top RBs that could be there like Edwards-Helaire, possibly Taylor or Dobbins or Akers, but few of these posts say what DEs they think are worth the 54th pick. I think most here would agree that if the prospects are comparable in grades on the Bills’ board then they should lean toward the more premium position of DE. However, I don’t expect equivalent talent at DE to be available compared to other positions. Maybe Greenard or Cutis Weaver or Julian Okwara will be available and maybe then Bills grade them highly, but this looks like a bad year to be trying to find a DE unless you can get Chase Young.