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As fully guaranteed money, if he doesn’t retire he gets it.

it totally messes up how you have to manage his day too I was so mad at that play. And then to follow it up with the jump? it’ll sound crazy but those two plus the fumble upset me more than some of the throws. injury and turnover were FAR more likely than fly 7 yards or land on feet and keep running and it also signals to Dorsey he has to scrap every designed run he has in his pocket.

To be fair, you don’t have to throw into triple coverage after escaping those are unrelated events, in theory

really frustrating to be up two scores on a team that’s totally floundering and not have the qbs ear about ball security and actually having one of the few weeks we’re we should go super safe and grind it with no threat from the jets offense instead we will go conservative against a high powered team and let them back in.

it’s about the lost yards, not fear of contact.

I think the issue on this play as much as anything is it meant everyone had to jump on him for being an idiot. suddenly he’s going to be tentative with the body, overthinking taking hits, and coaches avoiding calling designed runs because he can’t be trusted to get down. the other catastrophic flub was not gliding out of bounds for 4 yards and a first down early and instead taking on defenders to get 6 yards… a meaningless win. hes got to figure that out so we can use all his talents to win. If he can play safer, we can open up the playbook and use him more creatively.

this has been a drum I beat all off-season. needing poyer to play forward even more, while likely slowing down too is a real risk. Suddenly he’s responsible for more green space at a diminishing ability potentially. he’s at a crossroads where you start to hide him a bit and instead he’s going to have more duties and take more hits. it’s risky.

lot of folks think that the old school maul a WR, then decapitate him when he tries to catch the ball and truly lock him down style of corner is still a thing at this point your corners are largely triage against a good offense - avoiding the big play, and hopefully turning a turnover or two to end drives

honestly, walking out of that week with a loss but Rodgers out for the season probably did more for our playoff chances than winning but Rodgers being 100% if being totally practical. If we win 11-12 games it between us and the dolphins instead of a 3 horse race. Obviously want the win last night but in some grim silver lining the path to the division is easier today than it was last week.

my biggest worry (or among the top 2-3) coming into the season was that the jets are one of our worst matchups and it could set a real bad tone out of the gate. I agree that it’s not indicative of their week to week potential but do think they need a bounce back game badly next week.

agreed. would’ve been great to see him make the play but he absolutely wasn’t supposed to be the last line of defense. im very curious to see the poyer tape on the day. And very nervous to see him against an offense attacking on all levels of the defense as opposed to a very contained jets game plan.

Yea, I’m having a hard time blaming a corner for the two run plays plus a miracle catch that was well defended. he missed a tackle on a goofy play call for the defense and multiple guys seemingly out of position on the long run. His miss looked like a symptom not the cause of the issue there

Would coaching not be part of that decision? ”alright Josh - spider z, y banana on 2… remember, the outlet should be open for the first down. Don’t have to win it on this play” is Josh getting that and saying screw you dorsey? If so, it’s a player issue but also a relationship with the coach issue. Josh is your franchise qb and has shown he earned that role. When that breaks, it’s rarely simply “that player forgot how to play and sucks” but instead a systems issue… he’s not a UDFA special teamer thrust into the lineup and not showing ability to make reads

and I’m questioning if that is working. Unfair? is it possible Dorsey was a very good qb coach and just an ok coordinator so promoting him resulted in a step back in both roles and our QB struggling to keep balance?

im honestly coming around to a missing link that can settle the offense between drives With McD now calling plays and Dorsey upstairs I think there’s some gap in sideline presence. I think it was there before the McD transition but now starting to really crystallize this opinion I don’t think Dorsey is worthless. In fact he got great stuff out of Allen. as a qb coach for both guys though. Is losing Dorsey on the sideline with the qb a loss we havent considered in his promotion? Is Brady not giving him that support as well?

is he talking to him about how to ideally run the progressions? Is his communication about what he sees translating to Josh better seeing it? it’s on Josh to but since Dorsey took over these things don’t seem to be happening well. Suddenly Josh is seeing ghosts, has the thousand yard stare on the sideline and seemingly no one getting him through it as he’s often alone when they pan to him

ready… We used to see a great one. the longer he’s been with Dorsey the less we see that. think there’s possibly any correlation to how he’s being coached?

I mean, that isn’t a particularly worrisome sample size yet. Odds are he’s still got 10 very good years in him, albeit not perfect ones.

my comment was more for cook if addressing Kincaid- rookie tight ends never put up wr numbers. They take time as they are digesting a ton. Rarely will a guy walk in and be the focal point day 1. I didn’t see the over under for his receptions this week but I’d guess you could smash the under. He will pop some weeks but he’s going to be more of a 40-50 catch guy than 100 catch guy.

john, you are taking a joke thread very seriously.

When von added to the rotation will hopefully be a real handful for opponents.

yup. They are a tough matchup for our offense. their running game with a few toss ups to elite wrs is enough to hang if they control turnovers. Jets on the road was a game I hated opening with as I think it’s a spirit breaker for us. That it happened without Rodgers…. Ugh.

Often, yes. With 100% reliability, none of them only counter: the jets played fast and have a very physical defense. I think he will look like a star often this season. hopefully we can figure out looking good against the most elite units.

doesn’t an OC largely set the tone going into those plays? are you alleging Dorsey says “34 jet sweep x banana, and Josh remember if it’s tight up top go to the outlet quickly” and Josh is responding “screw you dude, I don’t care” or do you think the guy who struggles to stay in balance himself is maybe lacking in that type of coaching of others?

that play rightfully got the leash put on him. he unfortunately plays poorly like that. have to find a balance.