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or just kind to a young guy? i haven’t watched the match up but it’s not crazy for a vet to toss a kind word sometimes

He’s also been about the most outspoken against the league office of any coach I recall. The saints vs the nfl narrative has been an interesting story

Ultimately, that he took a selfie is good ammo for grumpy old men to be angry. it seems to have little to do with the issue at hand. he wasn’t engaged at the end and that’s an honest and embarrassing mistake. Thinking the game was over he was having fun with fans. The story is nothing to do with a camera and everything to do with missing situational awareness in an easy moment

honestly, I don’t even care if the comeback is possible. You finish the game.

but you benefit from a year in his prime at $1.8m in cash paid. So it’s all a trade off. its not like the bills and his agent aren’t looking at his overall career worth based on when it slots up though. tagged on the end of this deal, or replacing his final year?

you can start any thread you want, and people can go ahead and not agree with the premise of it when you do. I think the problem here is assuming the trend line off very limited data points. They played good games. They are also remarkably healthy, and one of those was the Dolphins. the performances were also pretty darn close to “average” for offenses against these teams. the dolphins average point differential is 16.6 per game and allowing 32 per game. We outperformed slightly on the total but remarkably close on differential and we were pretty spot on average to what the broncos allow in points. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a 20-3 win be a situation that gets the offense much praise. Having back to back relatively average games gets more of a good job than a rub it in people’s faces reaction from me is all

maybe, maybe not. like I said, good day but I don’t know that our offense is at a level for us to have call out threads.

I mean, we scored less than league average points against a better than average defense. We scored essentially spot on what they allow. Relatively average day. the defense pitched a heckuva game against a bad offense. it was a good day. I don’t know that anyone should be doing call out threads on behalf of the offense though.

Oh I get being over the top. I was commenting almost exclusively on the graphic design elements- not the act of posting a celebratory statement ?

Would have to retire to get in ?

it was a good game. you might be pushing a little hard for 20 points but it was a nice win

I heard some people debating if gore would get into the hall of game but I pointed out that place is for quitters so it probably won’t happen any time soon our PR team probably got a little over the top with the extra bills logo. honestly that whole graphic is a bit extra

I didn’t do any type of research on comparable situations/punishments... but it feels fair that he’d be punished substantially but not overwhelmingly for his behavior

super edgy! Was just pointing out that as a largely white male group here, there may be elements at play in the talk of why other races and genders feel the way they do that many here won’t fully understand. As it’s a football thread let’s call it a day here. Plus, I have no desire to debate it. to the list, without context in the OP I’d guess hearing that it was a radio show maybe it came About conversationally and wasn’t prepped for in advance causing names to fall through the cracks? With such obvious omissions I jump straight to then shooting from the hip and just spacing on some options that could be on it. But could be a weird qualifier added.

I bet I can guess your race and gender while I think we sometimes get carried away- it doesn’t shock me that people get excited to identify with successes

I used the phrase hot trash a little tongue in cheek. my point being that replacing Brady’s contribution is getting easier and they are still the top of the pile. hopefully the teams trend begins to align with his

Am I the only one that hopes Brady is playing a little better than we are seeing him get credit for? if he’s hot trash and the pats are rolling that’s not a good thing for us

I agree it’ll be week 1 because that’s relatively in line with past incidents (see haynesworth). I won’t think it’s cause of an unverifiable accusation though as that becomes a default in any punishment levied for an altercation moving forward. Week 5 vs 1 means little to the Nfl. Every fight ending in a racial accusation means a lot to the Nfl. Either they verify it or they can’t. If they can’t, they can’t let it change the outcome. If the can, it becomes a debate.

given the reactions to dozens if not hundreds of racially sensitive stories that have ended up breaking in many directions... the same people seem to very reliably land on the same side time after time when these break regardless of fact patterns or the end result of the story. It’s both sides and it’s a lot of people. Whether a protest or accusation, I don’t think a large swath of the population will ever say “they handled that the right way” if it’s in the act of bringing a racially charged accusation to light. Likewise many will never question an accusation. But if they say “see you in October” where’s his benefit to actually follow through on the “threat?” He wins the game of chicken by actually crashing into his opponent? Sure he could hurt them but it doesn’t help him.

Yea- but I’m not sure that is a long term winning formula for Garrett if they still nail him. what does he gain by pushing that after his appeal is denied? He can leverage the risk now but does he raise his stock/value in any way come next October if he’s suspended and beating that drum? much like Rudolph, you might see a minor interview on a pregame show or with the local team but he’s not making the network rounds with this and because of that it dies in 60 seconds.

it might be a product of me not being subject to those types of insults beyond being the guy that spills and does clumsy stuff in infomercials but in my mind I think all it would do is make Rudolph even less of a sympathetic victim of the clubbing... it doesn’t absolve the clubber of his actions as much as it would allow me to not feel bad for mason learning a lesson the hard way.

I’m not saying let him off the hook. Or that he’s incredibly credible. I’m just saying you’d be hard pressed to find 3 minds changed on this entire board if he grabbed the mic out of the sideline reporters hand on the field that night and accused it straight to the camera on his way off the field. either it’s on tape, or it’s not, and nothing else was changing most minds. Even if it was on tape he doesn’t get to rip the guys helmet off and club him. rudolph wants this to disappear too. he will deny the accusation, and if smart quietly move on. In the reality of the NFL world pressing assault charges would be a worse crime than the fight or a slur- regardless of his rights or the rules. He won’t be “that guy.” he released his denial. Will let his teammates defend him. And maybe does a minor interview down the line. If he takes this to court he becomes the sideshow teams don’t want.

Are all QBs recorded? Don’t believe that’s true. That would be incredibly dumb move for an nfl player to accuse him of saying something knowing that... no?

I agree an overwhelming majority would. I don’t think that makes a difference to 99% of the reactions though.

While I get your point I do push back a little that the controversy is almost never as big as we make it on a message board. would it catch some off hand mentions on Sunday morning Espn game preview marathons? Sure. Would it be a CNN story even 5 minutes from now? Probably not.