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it would be why that type of player is so valuable and he want for a pretty penny despite the headaches I think we are about to see a heavy dose of posters learning about what it takes to win 13 games instead of 9 in the nfl and actually paying attention to the nuance between our roster and other top ones now that it doesn’t feel like we are miles away anymore Yes and no on the preseason effect. a guy like Edmunds might have racked up less than a games worth of snaps in preseason. Some elf but a month into the season it’s hard to say a handful of drives against vanilla offenses going less than 110% is a game changer still

Lots of comments about need and leadership... but that rams offense does that to a lot of teams and similar happened with him occasionally. Feels premature to jump to needing leadership and a guy off the street saving the defense. let them play through it a bit.

he’s a good not great player, and filling a big role in a strange season while injured. and was playing against one of the better play designers and play callers. its a tough league to play consistently excellent defense in on your best days. At the moment the decks slightly stacked against him. Hopefully he gets healthy, gets good reps and settles in.

Don’t like no shots at the end zone first even if you get the onside you may not get to the 15 for an easy-ish TD shot but could get a kick to tie

he’s been this player for 4-5 years now. M he still CAN but with the way the teams built he won’t. The deep threats are terribly erratic and he might have the best short-mid range trio around in Thomas/cook/Kamara

smart to wait til 0:01 to challenge that there

Yea, I don’t mind a few plays here and there but he gets a ton for his current role. Like elite non-qb or low end qb pay. he doesn’t have the snap count or impact to be that rich - and I think he dies what he does pretty well

honestly, the single play in a vacuum didn’t bug me but with the DPI on a totally uncatchable right before it’s tough to see no call even if not a huge push. It’s been really consistent like that going against them for a year and change

yea I’m not sure he made it to the line of scrimmage and they gave him a full yard. Should be an easy review

Saints have been abused since the rams game. among the most against them and nearly none in their favor. sure things like depth of targets matters but it’s like every borderline PI call bites them since calling out the league that was a hell of a stop

It’s also very early so the “tell” could be a “set up”

you really enjoy being the starter of threads

Just because it could’ve worked out doesn’t mean it’s ideal. there are plenty of throws im thrilled josh can make if needed late in a game and trying to come back. many of those you don’t want to see thrown in the situation we saw there

Or he just had a couple less than perfect plays coming off a bizarre offseason. but maybe he decided to start coasting 3 weeks ago. Maybe.

And ours will get it done more often than most. it was a tough half not a bad unit.

and yet it happens regularly in the nfl it happens who cares what fans declare the leader of the team of the rings that scare me in a shootout, power running is lower down the list. Don’t love any weakness but I’ll take the paper cuts over being susceptible to big plays bad weather is completely overrated here otherwise, spot on

Welcome to Winning in the Nfl. you have to score a lot and hopefully your defense holds up for stretches along the way.

I think this breakdown hits on some concepts of why I’m optimistic this time and have been in the past skeptical. so often we get caught up in the results (see fitz hot start season) and not the how (flukey turnovers, and unsustainable short fields and broken plays). the 300 yard thing wasn’t so much about it being a magical threshold as much as it being such a statistical outlier if you think a guys playing well. hitting 3 or even 400 didn’t suddenly change who he was but some changes in fundamentals seem to be helping him be the type where clearing that bar will be commonplace because he is actually playing differently in his mechanics. We will see if it sustains in big games, playing from behind, or under major pressure but there’s reason to be optimistic

yea - I was a lil nervous clicking. Glad it was all positive.

Careful.

honestly by hometown discount I mean maybe accept 35.5 instead of twisting arms for 36.25 kind of discussion. He might not pinch every last penny out of them but he’s not leaving much money on the table. tbe 20-25M number mentioned was quite silly

yup. If he’s a top 5-10 statistical guy then $35m might be the actual hometown discount. We have people suggesting numbers closer to taysom hill than Jared Goff. but if they were confident in him they could keep the cap hit low next year with the covid impacted cap dip you could give him $51m cash on a 11m cap hit with a 50m signing bonus and 1m salary as a bar napkin example but you’d be in that contract for 4 years before being able to bail if he flops. I’m not saying that’s a reasonable number/structure, but underscoring the process with easy values to wrap heads around (and type on a phone)

the big thing will be whether he gets treated like a franchise guy or a starter with question marks. the pay rate is only so different but how you structure things can vary a lot. if he’s “the guy” you can manipulate the upfront numbers with a big signing bonus, a roster bonus that you intend to convert to signing etc.... to get him cash but push the hit. if he’s not a resounding and confident answer then you get stuck with a more cash to cap structure where you can get out without major issues earlier

im good with plenty of wrath for like 15-20m more a year you arent even in the ballpark with those numbers.

I prefer when other teams don’t know the details honestly