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which in many work environments is pretty normal right now. More than a few office places are going the extra mile for safety and not bringing people back in unless they can provide a reason you are needed in person. It’s ok to press your employer on stuff like this. I know employees rights aren’t a thing to many many Americans... but “the players have to show up” isn’t a great reason for why sally in accounting can’t WFH any longer. If she is truly needed and they’ve taken the reasonable precautions that’s different. Also your assertion that the general rule is you are more productive in the office is not much of a rule. Many studies have found various roles accomplish more from home. Depends on the job and the person but broad strokes put WFH ahead for quite a few positions.

some of my very least productive days were spent in a cubicle and frankly, just because many employers treated their employees worse doesn’t mean nfl employees can’t ask for more.

They don’t want these guys thinking they are low risk to contract because riskier behavior immediately follows

or heaven forbid it’s a guy out 4-6 months. Could miss all camp and part of the season instead of being back in April for team visits pre draft and a full offseason with the team its essentially year 1 shaq but would actually drop because it’s known/expected and a quarter of his cost control contract blown.

And the risk of a torn ACL or some lengthy but not terribly serious injury blowing their rookie season, instead of just their combine

I always give the young guns a heaping helping of praise if they are for real working. Often more than deserved but like to make folks feel good and not an ounce of insecurity in my own value

I’m happy you didn’t hear what I thought!

Or good natured joking about himself and beasley that’ll be taken too seriously

I don’t believe you can. i don’t know if you think that may sometimes be a problem. Or if you think sometimes they do use inappropriate force.

oh he who cannot be questioned ever.

Another sports board I read had that come up the other day. Consensus from non bills fans was we got screwed on that one.

this board has always loved backs and receivers that are good blockers over good backs or receivers.

i mean, as many of the pages are from me as anyone. So guilty as charged. and I agree both sides of that coin exist. I just didn’t see much “he forced his religion” so much as he hid behind it. At least in this thread. No doubt hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle. This thread just seemed like an interesting mole hill for so many to die on defending him from relatively innocuous “attacks”

honestly, I think this would’ve been a 4 and a half page thread and on page 2 already if not for the “how dare you attack his religion” sentiment early on. I don’t think anyone’s passionately against Fromm so much as baffled by those defending as if he’s facing heavy attack. I gave the “spend 5 minutes chatting media presence with his agent” answer. It was a total punt and you equate it to solving world peace? He’s the one that said he wants to be part of the answer and months later said he had been studying up on it.

I’ll admit that I’m surprised that forecasting this season as unplayable makes teams think that come Jan/feb they will be able to kick off. just seems they would be making that decision to play or not in the heart of when the spike they are avoiding in the fall would be happening

Though perhaps a distinction without too terribly much of a difference. “he did it but he didn’t think people would know about it” only moves the needle so far in the conversation.

it’s really not as difficult as many are trying to portray. “I’ll preface this with acknowledging my prior mistake and that I’m a work in progress so I’m not sure that I am the one to do a deep dive with the media into complex racial issues that face the country right now. I will say that I see the pain and anger out there and have heard a lot of stories and facts in those conversations I mentioned. (Maybe insert soomething he learned from them here) Without a deep dive What I can say though is we all have to work harder at making a society where everyone is treated fairly. I have been using my faith to center me in my journey along that path. I find I’m at my best when I’m serving god and loving my fellow man. Sometimes my own actions don’t live up to that but I’m working on it and hope we can all work on caring for each other” he had months to prep for this question, and had to know it was coming.

i think it’s upsetting you more than most, which is of course often the irony of the people most loudly proclaiming we must get over it. mild acknowledgement that something less than ideal happened is met with much push back. Like 70% of this thread isn’t even about Fromm it’s about how goofy people sound trying to bury it instead of just acknowledging and rolling onward

he has plenty of obligations and things he’d be accountable to each and every day. You only care about one. Is this tar and feathering happening on top of the mountain that doc claims this is? Some of y’all are drama queens.

If you read what it says and summarize it as “dismantling the nuclear family” I’m going to go ahead and opt out of further discussion. I’ve got better things to do with my time then to argue online with someone that is so willfully mischaracterizing a statement.

I’d clarify for those less familiar that the full quote is: We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable. I think that’s far different than dismantling the nuclear family and instead is saying they are building stronger communities where success is less dependent on having the standard family and can be achieved with or without. ill agree I’m not 110% all in for every value or comment but also think some is a bit misrepresented too

dare i ask: how much time have you spent in real life with folks associated with BLM or around protests etc... or is most of your experience with this online? i won’t generalize across you, and am genuinely curious. What I’ve tended to see is the further distanced people are from it on a human level the more extreme they tend to think it is. There’s obviously militant factions but generally find in person that if you come of pure heart the ice isn’t all that thin.

because Fromm moments earlier was saying that he’s grown and has been doing the work and then immediately tripped over the obvious question he should’ve expected coming for months now?

what color people do you think he was excluding by including the word white, doc? he made the joke. it had a racial component. No, I don’t think he keeps a hood in the back of his locker. Yea he probably has some not great stereotypes in the back of his head. No it’s not the end of the world and he’s got a lot of time to learn and grow.

And if you don’t fall in line you are a liberal, gosh darnit