NoSaint

if you think that’s the standard, then you don’t get the rule. It isn’t PI and catchability or getting to the ball doesn’t matter. Mahomes doesn’t even need to throw it to get the call. He could throw it away completely and get the call. pre throw the jersey stretches like that on a cut, there’s a good chance a flags coming.

I think you may have also nailed something here with “great considering she has not been on stage since 2018” and not “that was great I can’t believe she’s been off tour 5 years and out of the studio 7” she’s talented. She’s got a catalogue. That wasn’t the coolest performance of her career. It wont be as iconic for her as it could’ve been. It wasn’t a trainwreck or anything though.

I think we are at a glass half full vs half empty crossroads of how to approach it. I happen to enjoy the game more when I’m not upset about a call being poor until it’s actually shown to be poor. I get people not wanting to give benefit of the doubt. There have been many issues. But it feels like a fast route to not enjoying the game and starting threads like this about how the nfl is losing you as a fan if you are going to assume it’s a sham until proven otherwise (not YOU, but the OP).

this crew is known for throwing flags, and I think we’d have the montage of clips if it was going on all game. Can you imagine a fan base sitting on their hands if the proof was there? We will see with the all 22. It’s possible, and would change my feelings but there’s some burden of prof if claiming that’s the case

for sure- but even on the ground are you arguing it was a particularly impressive choreography? ultimately, I see the loudest supporters celebrating her idgaf attitude and I guess that just doesn’t thrill me as the halftime show performer. I in fact enjoy that people gaf in a moment like that

I do recall that - and would be curious to rewatch. That said, one play early in the second quarter I don’t think supports that they swallowed the whistle all game and guys adapted to a style of accepted play and then were surprised suddenly type of claims. I dont expect a perfect game but a relatively consistent one. Mistakes happen, bad angles happen, etc…. But I would be more outraged if it was an incredibly grabby game all night and then out of nowhere the call comes. I don’t feel like that’s my recollection of the night nor has anyone really shown it.

I mentioned that being a big surprise in the moment. I thought it was pretty well known but many around me were relatively unfamiliar. I guess they did a little market study and realized they could dust it back off now

I mean, calm confidence is something but feels like trying to shoehorn reasons to support that it was a noteworthy performance on the biggest stage on earth. it was fine. She is talented. Last night did not feel like the best of what you’d expect from her.

yea, I feel like if you count out the “it must be rock and roll” guys that are mad about not being the target market… last year was pretty well received and this year was kind of flat. staging- actually very cool choreography - she was obviously a statue but even the dancers were just ok/fine costuming/wardrobe- meh. interesting musical twists or collabs? Nope. If ever there was an artist to shine here, one known for collabs and physically limited could do cool stuff here but… ye went crazy, and jayz is probably off limits for Apple Music presents… and… this year I think the irrational pushback is more from the “it’s cool and y’all are just old” crowd. They literally set the stage for something cool but ended up just ok.

yea, it took the air out of the moment but was letter of the rule and no one’s shown it inconsistent yet… not my favorite call but definitely not egregious as highlighted this far. you came and made an unsubstantiated claim that should be easy to substantiate- I’m not sure what to say about your dislike of being questioned on it. Don’t make the claim if you don’t plan to back it up somehow?

yes, you are declaring that you feel like it was happening all game. You can’t produce factually that it was happening.

“I can point to no proof of my claim that millions of passionate fans would be eager to prove” doesn’t ring much better does it? Im just saying that you are actively saying there was an issue that occurred while I’m simply saying the rule was accurately enforced and you’ve brought no support of your claim. Which of us is using feelings?

hasn’t occurred to you that there are millions of Philly fans and it’s been a good bit of time and… crickets?

Generally fair. And frankly, if getting everything perfect is priority number 1– gosh, get off the message boards dissecting every minute detail, trade in the hi def tv for something a little fuzzier and look away from the ultra zoomed in frame by frame replays and you’ll find it’s likely not that it’s worse but that you recently started seeking out mistakes on a level you’d never dream of in 1982

In the time you’ve spent typing it you could’ve found examples of all the other holds ignored to put this to bed

everyone keeps referencing the plenty of examples and worse ones. The most compelling argument will be when anyone compiled them from last night. And I don’t mean a single clip where a ref has a weird angle to see it- but pervasively allowing that kind of grabbing on change of direction throughout the night

honestly, surprised we haven’t seen a Philly fan with a montage of no calls yet if they were truly allowing all game. I’ll hold off on my outrage for now. It was fine by the letter of the rule, and hasn’t been shown out of line by the spirit of consistency -yet-

Pass interference - which is the ball in the air and a spot foul. Mahomes doesn’t even have to throw the ball for holding.

that fields been a challenge all year

I’m fine with that take but calling it uncatchable isn’t a factor weighed in the decision was all I pointed out

holding is before the hall is in the air and therefor not a catchability call

we never had the personnel for his defense. Not defending him but also the fit was a disaster all around.

taking a 43 and handing it to him was dumb.

I think there’s a real possibility they werent expecting something so flat when it was agreed to. if her own capability was going to be that impaired by the pregnancy, the contingency had to be to bring in a bunch of stars. Hell she’s performed with everyone and they were all there. there was some disconnect. Kanye going nuts, jayz having tidal as an apple rival, Eminem being in last years crew etc… all impacted the stars around her potentially. there’s no way that was the biggest show on the biggest stage that producers envisioned, I’m not a pop hater… but… the stages were cool. The production was meh. She as a performer wasn’t particularly engaging. She left a lot on the proverbial stage. what did she personally do exceptionally?

get used to modern football. You will see a lot of games that are shootouts decided by either last possession and or an elite pass rush wrecking things at a key moment. the fear is ours is old and currently injured and on the other side we don’t have the depth of playmakers. It’s a real rough crossroads at the moment.