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it’s good perspective and also why I’ve echoed it was a handful of plays and we are still a contender… that said, they have to figure out this piece with overcoming adversity against the best if they intend to win 3 playoff games and a Super Bowl ever

yea it’s just weird in its consistency but also doesn’t seem to be any story that the announcers push. fitzy mentioned it in the manningcast right before diggs went up to him very late in the game

for sure. And I agree that we don’t know a ton on that front but it does seem at the biggest moments he’s very isolated as a consistent theme. I really don’t know. Something is off with the overall energy of both the offense as a whole, and our qb though. At least it feels that way. And it was easy to blame blizzards and damar and laundry list of other things last year… but those aren’t a thing anymore, and maybe those weren’t the true issue last year.

the challenge is the easy years are already gone. Now we are in the grind of always a contender but some rookie qb has extra weapons all around him.

I’d be very curious to learn about that support system with McD calling plays now, and Dorsey upstairs. what’s the infrastructure around Josh on the sideline?

im very curious about the joe Brady-Josh relationship compared to his past with Dorsey under daboll for instance. I think we’ve seen in several moments the man is totally alone and not being prepared when we flash to the sideline during adversity let’s get a clip of Josh heaving a tablet because he’s disgusted by what the coach is showing him, right? Or talking him down cause it’s a night that he doesn’t have to be the star anymore. He played like he was trying to outdo Rodgers in a race to 35 in prime time instead of coasting out a 2 score win vs a hapless qb 17-6

he’s got like 2-3 years of last night before he’s gone let’s come back to reality. He likely waltzes through 10 games like super man this year and is totally unquestioned

we don’t have 3 linebackers. We might not have 2.

short of the players still being in the huddle, I’m not sure I’m calling a timeout against a goal line formation inside their own 5. losing that play for nationally shouldn’t be 80 yards ever. It was the missed gaps, and poor play after the snap at fault.

completely lost and a half dozen boneheaded plays are two different things. his two dumb runs, the fumble and the picks were bad but we have seen completely lost. He made a handful of terrible errors against an elite defense. We need to figure out how to keep 6-7 at 1-2 of those risks

they will give him the simmer down speech. He will hopefully beat up a team nowhere near as good. We will argue over whether he stepped up or the competition stepped down. let’s not be too over the top. We are likely 2-1 playing Miami for the lead in the division come week 4

Constantly? Come on. When we were 13-3 you were constantly fretting? there’s something up but…

Last year was his highest INT percentage since his rookie year last year was also his most fumbles since his sophomore year he went seasons before a red zone int which became a major issue last year. dion dawkins never ate great but ballooning to 370 was a big issue. Josh has always played fast and loose, but it’s abnormally bad at the moment

or maybe just a successful offensive coach with or without hardware would resonate, and also effectively build the unit/scheme/culture in the offensive room

who is coaching this all pro qb? Could that person be part of the regression? either Josh thinks he can ignore coaching which is a player and coach issue or he has regressed in decision making which is usually both a player and coach issue (especially with it coinciding with Dorsey’s tenure) or Dorsey just sucks which is a coach issue. josh isn’t a fringe player in the league that can fail regardless of the best coaching. When elite talents regress usually it’s either injury or a systematic issue (play calling, communication, support in general)

As fully guaranteed money, if he doesn’t retire he gets it.

it totally messes up how you have to manage his day too I was so mad at that play. And then to follow it up with the jump? it’ll sound crazy but those two plus the fumble upset me more than some of the throws. injury and turnover were FAR more likely than fly 7 yards or land on feet and keep running and it also signals to Dorsey he has to scrap every designed run he has in his pocket.

To be fair, you don’t have to throw into triple coverage after escaping those are unrelated events, in theory

really frustrating to be up two scores on a team that’s totally floundering and not have the qbs ear about ball security and actually having one of the few weeks we’re we should go super safe and grind it with no threat from the jets offense instead we will go conservative against a high powered team and let them back in.

it’s about the lost yards, not fear of contact.

I think the issue on this play as much as anything is it meant everyone had to jump on him for being an idiot. suddenly he’s going to be tentative with the body, overthinking taking hits, and coaches avoiding calling designed runs because he can’t be trusted to get down. the other catastrophic flub was not gliding out of bounds for 4 yards and a first down early and instead taking on defenders to get 6 yards… a meaningless win. hes got to figure that out so we can use all his talents to win. If he can play safer, we can open up the playbook and use him more creatively.

this has been a drum I beat all off-season. needing poyer to play forward even more, while likely slowing down too is a real risk. Suddenly he’s responsible for more green space at a diminishing ability potentially. he’s at a crossroads where you start to hide him a bit and instead he’s going to have more duties and take more hits. it’s risky.

lot of folks think that the old school maul a WR, then decapitate him when he tries to catch the ball and truly lock him down style of corner is still a thing at this point your corners are largely triage against a good offense - avoiding the big play, and hopefully turning a turnover or two to end drives

honestly, walking out of that week with a loss but Rodgers out for the season probably did more for our playoff chances than winning but Rodgers being 100% if being totally practical. If we win 11-12 games it between us and the dolphins instead of a 3 horse race. Obviously want the win last night but in some grim silver lining the path to the division is easier today than it was last week.

my biggest worry (or among the top 2-3) coming into the season was that the jets are one of our worst matchups and it could set a real bad tone out of the gate. I agree that it’s not indicative of their week to week potential but do think they need a bounce back game badly next week.