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I couldn't care any less about women's college basketball/sports so I don't find this pedestrian same-school interaction cool like a girl-dad of a fan of that women's college basketball team..........but I support your right to think so and post it in the football section because it's about a Bills player. More interesting and relevant with regard to the Epenesa football family(IMO) is that there is another Epenesa brother on his way to major college football: https://www.thetelegraph.com/sports/article/four-star-recruit-iose-epenesa-narrows-college-19420105.php 4 star recruit. AJ has been making the rounds with him to the schools of interest.

@Weatherman and @Magox just forgot that he wasn't a first round pick. Nor did any NFL team have a first round grade on him. So let's not hyperbolize his status as a prospect. He was well within the next tier of day 2 prospects. Just because 150+ different players appeared as first rounders in various mocks in the 12 months prior to a draft doesn't mean we should consider them all first round talents. See Van Pran Granger as a specific example. Mocked as a first at times........went in the 5th. As for your take.........you simply protest far too much about his treatment. Coleman has gotten a TON of hype from the media and fans. He was literally and figuratively painted as Diggs successor. Beane basically called him their starting X receiver and fans are expecting him to become WR1 right-quick. So yeah, there are going to be stronger reactions than to "first round prospects" like Kincaid, Elam or Rousseau who weren't being asked to immediately replace superstar production.

I was pretty down on Coleman as a 1st or 2nd round prospect. I'd been following his game since he hit the transfer portal after 2022. I wanted the Bills to pass altogether on him because they don't/didn't need projects. That said, I know he has a good deal of potential. But I just don't see it being accessible enough early in his career. As Kollman says in this video........they've compiled a room full of slot receivers. A washed up version of MVS coming off a 300 yard season despite the most opportunity he's had in his entire career? That isn't very intriguing either, IMO.

Eventually I think he could be very good. But everything points to him being a project. 20 years old, doesn't get separation, doesn't catch contested passes well and has not even produced a single big season on the college level........but is also being asked to play the toughest WR position instead of being eased in at a spot where he can get free releases etc? That is not the scouting report of a player who fans should realistically expect to excel early in their career but Beane is apparently f#cking sold that it's all good from the get-go. I've used the Davante Adams comp. Adams is a similar big, physical, coordinated and springy WR without exceptional speed but with exceptional hand talent. Davante Adams was much more polished and productive than Coleman at the college level.........but Adams was just a guy putting up very modest numbers his first couple seasons in the NFL. That despite having an All Pro QB feeding him the ball. And it really took him until year 5 to become one of the league's elite.. The odds that he becomes Adams-level are not great obviously, but that's his ceiling IMO. But if it doesn't happen for him quickly it complicates matters because the Bills will feel compelled to invest heavily in other solutions for WR1.

Yeah they had you pegged and got in your head. You immediately thought it was an invasion of privacy when they probably couldn't care less what's in your journal. If they were actually snooping and cared what was in your journal they would been discreet about it so they could do it again. Gotta' give it a week or two and then set a trap. Like put something on your desk they'd feel compelled to f#ck with and cover it with some sh!t that will get all over them and they'd have difficulty getting off or rig it so it causes a scene when moved etc.. Gotta' be a kind of ink that is only activated by oil on the skin or something like that.

Again. NOT a first round pick. 8th WR off the board. Some of you act like this is comparable to using the 7th pick in the draft on the 3rd QB selected(who was at times over the prior 12 months was considered the potential #1 overall pick). Or that fans should believe that Coleman will put up WR1 numbers as a rookie. Coleman has not been met with exceptional skepticism given how many WR were selected before him and where he ultimately came off the board. People just expected the Bills to be more pro-active in addressing WR1. Didn't happen. Nothing suggests Coleman is ready for that, particularly if being placed outside at X instead of how the Chiefs used similarly ranked prospect Rashee Rice as more of a big slot receiver last season.

It's a matter of degree in your head. A team that desperately needed a WR1 got the 8th WR off the board. Expectations are lower than a typical first rounder? (which he wasn't, btw) You don't say!

I want to see what AJE can do as well but regardless of how well he plays he is only going to get between 40%-60% of the snaps. I don't think a trade for a DE is even on the table until the deadline unless there were a number of injuries or if their pass rush was terrible thru the first 5-6 games(which is unlikely as they return most of a unit that put up 50+ sacks). They have like 6 DE that they hope will play well enough to make the 53 at this point. Only 5 probably will. As long as none of the top 3 get hurt they will probably try to make do with what they have.

I have a friend who is in management for a major fabrication/construction company and he finds a lot of the people who work under him to be worthless as employees/team members but there isn't a lot he can do about it in many cases. So he pulls little pranks on them. Nobody on the job knows about it. Nobody. One such thing is exactly like what you described having been done to you. It drives them nuts. They come to him and he pretends to be sympathetic and will look into it, etc.. Another one is if they leave their cell phone behind he will move it slightly and wad up a little candy wrapper or something and put it by the phone. If they really piss him off he will put some grape skins or something in the hollow arm of their desk chair so fruit flies just seem to randomly appear and they can't figure out how to get rid of them. So, basically, maybe someone just thinks you are a d!ck and is f#cking with you.

Yeah I think it is such an under-rated topic. Lot's of GM's come flying out of the blocks in the draft during re-sets. Completing and then replenishing the roster with difference makers is a very different matter. It's easy to fall into trying to stay competitive by filling-in around your stars. The 1990's Bills were a prime example of some GM's who were using the "can't go broke making a profit" mantra in the draft. Most years they'd pick some high floor/low ceiling or lower value position in round 1. RB's and DB's were that kind of low hanging fruit. For most of their history half or more of their 1st round picks had come from those two position groups.

1) but he's got almost 70 career sacks at age 28 2) But he's played 8 seasons at 28. Mack, for example had only played 6 seasons thru age 28. 3) and 4) True. It's the issue. But if you got 10-11 sacks and 7 forced fumbles for $8M you'd be thrilled as a GM. Joey Bosa did that as recently as 2021. Then the acquiring team gets the option to keep him at $13M for 2025 going into his age 30 season. Wait til you see the salaries for pass rushers in the offseason of 2025. You aren't getting much for the money he's on the books for. I'm not saying he'd be my target. I'd rather rent Khalil Mack. But if the price was right I could see a team trading a 3rd rounder for him.

He's always been really good when he's healthy. With him, that's the only real issue. He is only entering his age 29 season. It wouldn't be too surprising if he put up 50+ sacks over the next 5 years and finished with HOF level sack numbers. Sometimes guys figure out how to stay healthier later in their careers.

Khalil Mack is the much more tradeable defensive end on the Chargers. Mack's base salary is league minimum $1.225M and it's his walk year. He makes a ton of sense for any contender looking for pass rush help if Harbaugh is looking to acquire draft capital before the deadline. Mack should bring second round value if he continues playing like he did last season. For $8M base salary the Chargers might as well keep Bosa and hope he gets right and then they have him under contract for $13M in 2025.

Yeah. Hate seeing those kind of Carolina connections. Their approach there proved very unsustainable for their MVP QB.

Not sure why this topic got resuscitated........ But it's about the Jimmy's and Joe's not X's and O's. Clever X's and O's might buy an OC a little stretch of success but DC's always catch up to the tactics. Over the long haul of a 17 game season plus playoffs you need the players. On paper, Joe Brady doesn't have enough of them around Josh Allen to reach a SB. They've f'd around with the WR corps........and we will find out if it's greater than the sum of it's parts or their collective track records soon enough.

Again, he didn't just "plow into" Williams as you said. He shouldered past Okereke as he was trying to push Williams but mostly whiffed. That's a great way to injure your shoulder missing your target while expecting contact. We will never know why the injury lingered. But what we can surmise from those two clips is that it was dumb to try to push over a 300# lineman and that the Bills didn't have a good "hot read" option on the other play. They haven't had that guy since Beasley floundered. They'd hoped that Davis would grow into a guy who could also play "big slot". Made sense on paper and they always seemed to have far too much faith in Gabe. Every summer they tried to line him up some inside to be that hot read option and also take better advantage of his blocking in the process. But he just couldn't do it. His hands were never good enough. So he was almost a wasted body in the pass game in tight formations. They've been deficient in a number of categories at WR. Diggs wasn't physical enough outside and it showed in the playoffs. Davis wasn't a good enough athlete to run more routes and his hands are bad so he became gradually more exposed each season. Shakir is great after the catch but isn't like Beasley in the quick game.

You won't find two non-Bills fans with more optimism about the Bills 2024 draft class........that is for sure. I'd be thrilled if the class panned out like they think it will.

McKenzie won the job over Crowder anyway. They mixed up the game plans early in the 2022 season to be opponent specific. The gradually increasingly problem since 2021 has always been that the Jimmy's and the Joe's can't consistently execute the X's and O's of an offense that doesn't need Josh Allen to run. Dorsey had largely won back some critics with his Tampa game plan in 2023........a move to more of a quick game and letting Allen run more. Unfortunately after two weeks of 7 rush attempts they tried to pull a 2021 @Jax style "load management" game against Denver and got burned by some McBumbling about unwisely trying to replace defensive personnel with ST personnel at the end. But Dorsey was already addressing the issue of the personnel not being good enough to push the ball downfield against the defense's they were seeing. People forget that the main reason a coaching change was needed was because McDermott's defense was having big situational problems. Bad calls on D cost them the Denver and @NE games and nearly cost them the Giants game(after Knox dropped a wide open 4th down conversion that would have won the game). Enter McD with the need to play more "complementary" football. Which translates to "I need offensive clock control so I don't make so many bad situational calls". Dorsey got thrown under the bus. Fine with me, it was 6 of 1 vs half dozen of another IMO but they needed a kick in the @ss as a team and McD wasn't going to fire himself.

Yeah, c'mon @FireChans.......... that "EPA hunting" is a new story created in hindsight by using what these guys said in the video. In 2022 under Dorsey the Bills had gone much of the season throwing the ball further downfield.......aka "EPA hunting" because of Allen's UCL injury and excelled. But that's not how they started it. Their opening night game plan against the Rams was the greatest example of what Allen "can" do in a quick release Patriot's style version of the EPA. In 2023 under Dorsey they still continued to push the ball downfield like they had post UCL injury in 2022..........and were largely successful. Except under Dorsey they were also trying to execute the McBeane organization directive to keep Allen in the pocket in 2023. In 2022 there were no such limitations. If Leonard Floyd doesn't get caught on the field and that missed FG counts against Denver...........Dorsey likely keeps the OC job.........they go back to using Allen like a battering ram down the stretch and likely have similar results. The scoring under Dorsey and Brady was virtually identical. We will see what Brady is made of when he runs his own offense with this seemingly hand-picked ragamuffin cast of WR's.

I've made my points clear. You guys can try to straw man your way to other conclusions that avoid the obvious. It doesn't have any bearing on the likely outcome of repeatedly doing something that's proven to be unsustainable in the NFL.

I never said using Allen like a plowhorse down the stretch is "new". You are making an argument against a point I did not make. But it's CLEARLY not been the same plan every year. They were all-in on home field and a championship run in 2022 with the Von Miller signing and KC seemingly vulnerable so they didn't try to restrict Allen's running at all that year. Was not a point of emphasis. Like I said........his two highest rushing attempt games in 2022 were before the stretch. His rushing attempts per game were pretty consistent all season. 7.6 = 8. Entering both the 2021 and 2023 seasons they were actively discouraging Allen from running until those season's went off the rails. Had the strategy been more effective they would have stuck with it in both of those seasons. Who the OC was is irrelevant to that point. It was not effective because the weapons didn't allow it to work. Pretending like running him more "after Thanksgiving" is what they've intended going into every year is totally disingenuous. Just a lie. Things just haven't worked like they did in 2020 when he ran 5 times per game in the final 7 and BY FAR his 3 highest rushing attempt games were all prior to that(including 14% of his season total in the opener). And even in 2020 the volume was still concerning for a player with his arm talent and long term potential as a passer. That's why they tried to scale it back in 2021. The bottom line is that what he is doing now has never worked. If you are expecting 10 more years of Allen as a top QB then you are expecting him to be the all-time 1 of 1 of quarterbacks with athleticism. And by a lot. That would more than double the scale. The numbers that worked for Elway were 50-60 per season. Mahomes generally puts up 65. Allen is WAY beyond that usage.

It clearly wasn't the same in 2022. Allen ran to win all season. Contrast that to 2021 when they took a 6-3 loss in Jacksonville trying to "load manage" Allen.

Is Patrick Mahomes just a "pocket QB"? Tom Brady and Peyton Manning clearly aren't the comps. Nobody is saying that. Why hyperbolize? It doesn't advance the argument. Allen doesn't have to be a statue in the pocket to NOT run the ball 9-10 times per game like he did down the stretch last season. Like I said........Mahomes is a good comp. Elway is an example if you want to go back. 50-75 rushes per year should be enough for a QB of Allen's type. But if you want to think he's not in Mahomes category as a passer we will have to agree to disagree.

You've meandered your goal posts here. It's important to understand that the stupidity isn't excusable because people with common sense aren't going to be satisfied with either approach to building around Josh Allen. There is a right way. That will satisfy those who understand that you can't expect to run your QB 100-120 times per season........then ramp it up more in the postseason.......and have him give you 15+ years of high quality football. It's not been done. Your second paragraph hyperbolizes the expectation of those with common sense. Of course he is going to run sometimes. 50-75 runs over the course of a regular season is in the typical Mahomes/Elway range for a mobile passer that has worked in the last 40 years. That's plenty. That will be plenty of contact to scratch that itch if he has receivers open and making plays. There is no reason to believe otherwise. He's not trending higher in carries since 2020 because he is getting wilder........he's doing it because it's needed with this increasingly unimpressive cast around him.

It makes more sense but the trade off is that you almost have to give a high performing young player a big extension after 3 years instead of the old days of 6 or more years of team control. The shorter rookie contracts give the players FAR more leverage. The franchise tag is nearly useless with regard to the QB position now. That is starting to lead to some incredible wastes of money. Like $250M guaranteed down the drain on DeShaun Watson. There are going to be a lot of false positive payouts and a lot more guaranteed money in general. The latter has always been the biggest concern with football players. As those inevitably become more common problems it will look more like a wash.