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Of course. Why wouldn't it? You've cited my point about how unaccomplished the Bills offensive weapons are many, many times...........and then conflated it with points about the WR corps in general. Of course, if NO PLAYER on the Bills has done it then that includes WR's as well but that's beside the point. Should be common sense, but not surprisingly lost on a scatterbrained fellow who thinks a bootleg Wu Tang Clan Bills cap is a New Era official. Just go to the embroidered baseball cap kiosk in the nearest mall and show them what you want. Those Israeli nationals will f#ck with the Wu Tang Clan's intellectual property and there is nothing those Staten Island Bills-hating Jets fans can do about it. Did you not realize that the New Era logo can be embroidered bootleg too? C'mon man.

They didn't have any players with more than 110 catches, 1416 receiving yards or 12 receiving TD's in any NFL season.

Update for you and @NewEra: The bar has been lowered again. Now the Bills have zero players with any season of 852 or more receiving yards in any NFL season.

Technically correct but Davis is the better outside receiver.........and that's the more premium position because it's harder to fill with quality. Davis and Shakir are both very position specific, IMO. Every camp the Bills would try to integrate Davis as a big slot and fail. Last year they put him in the slot on the first snap of the preseason with both Allen and Davis on the field.........Allen gave him a perfect pass on a slant and it deflected off of his hands for an interception. Experiment over. As time went on and it became clearer that Davis didn't have any secondary pitches defense's just sat on his limited route tree.

The term "track star" in US pop culture often refers to a person who runs from confrontation/adversity. Even seeing the term more often used for weak-willed women now. Maybe Noah is trying to puff up and get some respect. Sorry, Noah.........but track don't mean sh!t to the US public in general.

They lost their top 2 boundary receivers though. Slot-only receivers like Shakir are easier to find. I know some people think Shakir is somehow going to be great outside the numbers but I don't see it. And when I was at practice he was the only receiver NOT running anything intermediate or deep. They'd all be breaking it off 10-15 or more yards down the field and in the same sequence Shakir was pivoting at 5 yards. I think they know what Shakir is and want to keep him there. The problem is that Samuel is also best in the slot and IDEALLY Coleman would be given a ton of slot reps because successful teams are using the slot to A) free up their WR1(see how the Dolphins use Tyreek Hill for instance). B) Break in raw rookies with WR1 ceilings (Rashee Rice and Puka Nacua for example).

Unfortunately, the excuse was great HC's in Bill Parcells(with Belichick), Joe Gibbs and Jimmy Johnson going against Marvin Levy. Total mismatches. In 3 of those games those far superior coaching staffs had 2 weeks to prepare. Only one that was close was the short-week SB XXV and the Giants still managed to put together gameplans on both sides of the ball(the defensive one is an all-time great) to upset the largest SB favorite ever to that date in time. McD has his limitations but more in the vein that Schottenheimer and Cowher had theirs. But they were organization builders. Marv was a puppet for a GM lead organization and player lead team.

Claypool was a complete bust of a dumpster dive???

Mahomes and Watson had much greater "pedigree". I don't think that's what you actually meant because Mahomes was the son of a pro athlete and had put up huge numbers in college. Watson was an absolute superstar in college. Teams over-thought it with Trubisky. He had a nice season but they thought there was A LOT more upside there than there was.

Yeah someone would always say "I have it in" for Wade because I said he was an idiot for not wearing a headset so that he knew what plays his coordinators were calling...........or when I said that "coach of the year candidate" Dick Jauron would always be 7-9 because he coaches not to lose..........or that it didn't make sense for Buddy and Chan to use their entire first season to "evaluate personnel" before making any roster changes.........or citing that the only reason you would hire that many coaches is if you didn't want to do any work when Rex was trying to have a 1:1 coach/player ratio. The pattern is quite the opposite........I call it like it IS.......others like yourself in this case(for some reason) let totally unsupported personal feelings get in the way of good analysis. I get that some people were dumb enough to believe that Daboll made Josh Allen into a star QB. That's because they didn't believe in his talent/ability from the get-go. But you should know better than that. Terrible takes by you in this thread, dave. Need a nose-pinch emoji.

Yeah but MVS is washed up, IMO. He put up a paltry 300 yards last season with a HOF QB in his prime and lot's of opportunity. They probably have to keep him because they don't have options outside.......but his presence isn't going to draw extra attention unless he and Allen prove they can make teams pay over the top. He hadn't really been doing that in KC so not sure why it will be different now.

My concern is that the lack of imposing intermediate AND deep receiving targets will allow defense's to compress the field and make all the units look worse on offense. They badly need a playmaker outside to make big plays and command extra attention. I doubt they have that guy in house. Without it, expect DC's to be able to throw the kitchen sink at Allen and this offense for the first time since before his breakout season in 2020. Allen is great but this is going to be a step up in degree of difficulty if they can't make defense's defend every "blade of grass". I think I was accurate in predicting they are going to try to get by with a lot of tight formations on offense but I don't think that tactic is likely to work for long if they can't win lining up outside the numbers as well. It is a crazy situation to be in when you have a QB who can make throws to parts of the field that are uncharted for most defense's. Defensively, my biggest concern is LB depth. Both the Bills starters are durability concerns, IMO so the depth is important there. Dorian Williams is key, IMO. I hoped he would step up big this year, but that's more of a question mark now, IMO. Still could happen though, hopefully the light comes on. Spector and Ulofoshio are nice talents too but also brittle. If they could stay healthy Bernard and Milano should be about the same as they were early last year(which was excellent) but I doubt that they will stay healthy. DL: should be slightly improved. Contract year for Groot and maybe an extension year for Epenesa so could see big things from them. Von should be improved. CB: should be improved. Love that group. S: I expect to be near the same........I know that's considered a hot take but I don't think the safety play has been that good the last 2 seasons so the bar isn't like it was back when Hyde and Poyer were excellent. I think they can slap together a decent pairing with what they have.

Just correcting a clearly incorrect take by a fellow poster. Kendrick Bourne is also proven. He's on PUP but they expect him to be ready early in the season and be their top veteran WR. Last I checked he was still ahead of Osborn their depth chart. I just jumped into the thread at that point so I have no idea what you are trying to prove talking about another bottom tier WR corps but your information is false.

Yeah and your lack of a strong point is probably because you don't have the conviction to actually analyze his work. He's NOT a "decent-enough" coach. He's either excellent or awful. Nobody has made Daniel Jones look as good OR as awful. His work with Josh Allen in 2020 and in the playoffs in 2021 looked great. His work in the second half of the 2021 regular season with Allen was terrible and he probably would have been fired if that continued in the playoffs. That's who he is. His offense's are all about HIM........and he's not as smart as he thinks he is. It was interesting to hear Joe Brady say the offense was Josh's........Daboll would never say that.

KJ Osborn has averaged over 600 yards receiving the last 3 years. More than any receiver currently on the Bills in that span. You should know that, he's not some unknown. They got a slapped together corps of WR2's and WR3's and a second round rookie that some think will be a WR1. Same formula as the Bills.

Well some coaches can actually create synergy. Daboll is not one of them. Counting last season with NY his offenses have finished 29th or worst in scoring 5 times in 10 seasons. And those offenses have finished in the top half of the league in yardage only TWICE. Two for Ten. And he needed a HOF quality talent at QB in Josh Allen to do that. He's just not that good, dave. His failures are not a small sample size, his successes are.

I think it's probably time for a thread about who the Bills might be looking to trade for or poach from other teams cuts to deepen this roster. They are a little short of 53 NFL players that you can resonably expect to make it thru a season. That's where they are at. WR5 and LB4 are positions that look like they should be able to upgrade relatively easily.

No, you don't seem to see how it is. How are they going to create more value than a near capacity paid crowd of a broadcast NFL game? Every other sports league would like to know how to make one of their regular season games as profitable as an NFL preseason game. And if it doesn't involve putting hard mileage on the players.......why wouldn't they just do that additionally? Yeah, there are lot's of ways for the NFL to make money now and I am sure they will create many more but this one is like found money even if it annoys some fans.

What would they change? Part of the reason they get away with charging full price for the games is that they could tell a court that they are technically the same product as the regular season. 60 minutes of competitive football. There are no guarantees that any particular player will play in ANY game. Sometimes late season games turn into preseason quality games too. So the idea of playing differently formatted games, for instance, might undermine their racket.

Oh Trubisky truly sucks too. He truly sucks a bit less........but he's not only awful........he is also durable enough to lose 17 straight games for you.

They've made a lot of changes to the kicking game in the name of player safety over the years. But they haven't changed the 20 game season. Someone in ownership or the NFLPA would actually have to benefit from eliminating them. Once they get down to 2 games they could conceivably play the preseason without needing any snaps from players likely to make the 53 except kicker/punter/LS. With practice squads up to 17(?) the NFLPA may want some of these guys to get some actual game reps before the season.

I believe the gaming sites are projecting between 3700-3800 yards passing for Allen. As I've said all offseason my opinion is based on likelihoods.......and the players are likely to produce at levels near where the professional handicappers believe. My PREDICTION remains that they won't be satisfied with their WR corps as they approach midseason and that Beane will be in the trade market for a WR1 in October.

No, you were wrong. You were trying to refute my point that players and owners both profit from the preseason games and that's why they exist. You clearly hadn't thought it thru. If you make a roster you benefit financially from preseason AND postseason games. Whether you play in them or not. Because the cap is based on gross revenue not just regular season revenue. When you get the paycheck is irrelevant. If you work at a company that issues checks every other week did you not get paid for the other week where you didn't receive a "check"? My point is fact and stands. And the Bills sold approximately 64,000 tickets for that game yesterday and the game was nationally televised live on NFLN. These games draw big ratings. It's 8 figures into the shared revenue pool for each game no matter how you slice it. Spread that over 49 preseason games. It's very significant and the easiest money the owners and players earn.

Oh I think it's very likely that there will be.......because there were so many talented one's that went after the Bills slotted pick in round 1. Coleman was one of the younger and more raw of the top WR prospects. But they went into the offseason needing at least a WR1 "B" quality player to help re-open up their increasingly lower-flying offense. Then promptly traded away their 1100+ yard WR1 and replaced their sub-900 yard ceiling quality starting X/WR2 Gabe Davis with a guy in Samuel that the OC/HC have said they see as more of a gadget guy than a starting X or Z. And then they went with one of the rawer day 1/day 2 prospects in the draft and even decided not to hedge that bet and select another WR on day 2. This has all been hashed out. On paper they didn't do enough and aren't better at WR in 2024 than they were heading into 2023.

Me too. It's not likely but I think it's his ceiling. But also, if it takes until 2026 or 2027 for him to become a difference maker like it took Adams 3-4 years........then they may have compromised some of Josh Allen's prime.