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You are conflating two different kinds of people. When have you heard @FireChans or me saying that they gotta' let Josh smash people in the run game? Some of us want Allen to be using his unique arm talent to give the Bills 15+ chances at winning a SB during his career. Others are just worried about this season. The Bills seem to be caught in the middle of long term planning and short term planning..........that's why they half-step at WR. The bottom line is that the #1 priority should always be making your elite QB look as good as possible for as long as possible. It's the key to sustained organizational success on and off the field. Incorrect. Allen injured the shoulder in 2023 getting into a shoving match with Leonard Williams after Williams knocked Spencer Brown to the ground in the end zone. Gotta' be smarter than that protecting his body. Which is the point.

First of all.........every regular season metric tells us that MVS is washed. So don't get your hopes up. He was a career 1.5+ yards per route run receiver from 2018 to 2022.............who just put up a pathetic .73 yprr in a horrendous 2023 season. MVS has been modestly better in the playoffs than the regular season in his career though. He goes from like 34 yards per game to 36. He's not "playoff Gabe" level with numbers that totally obliterate his regular season averages across the board or anything like that.

So the Bills are back to 2022 rules with Josh Allen? Run all you want Josh! Use that LB mentality! Then next year they will return to 2021 and 2023 "we want you to play smarter" rules that lead to roughly .500 starts thru 2/3 of the season. Just get the guy some f#cking weapons so he can do it from the pocket, Beane.

If Baker Mayfield is your QB then being 4-1 on wildcard weekend over a 5 year stretch is a nice feather in your cap as an organization. Having Josh Allen as your QB........and never once having a bye week and being 1-3 in divisional round is a mountain of failure. The current Bills are a forgettable afterthought for this period of time in NFL history. That shouldn't be the case.

Weapons. No question. They've had to change their style because of it. Defense's broadly adapting to a bend but don't break philosophy has contributed as well because that cushion exposed Gabe Davis' lack of quality traits. But teams like SF, Houston and Miami continued to prove that you can still push the ball downfield if you have the weapons.

I wouldn't say they didn't run Allen until Thanksgiving in 2022. It's not that simple at all, IMO. His two highest carry amounts in that 2022 season were before TG and he averaged over 6 rushes per game thru the Thanksgiving game in Detroit. That average went up to 9 per game in the final 6 games but the increases were far more dramatic in 2021 and 2023. It was homefield or bust that season. They were actively asking Allen to not run the ball in those 2021 and 2023 seasons. It was a big topic for the coaching staff. But they had to pull the fire alarm after they played themselves out of playoff positioning.

Yes, there was an organizational directive to run Josh less last season. It went out the window when desperation set in. Same as in 2021. That's what they say they want to do every year. But then don't have that option because their passing game weapons have gotten consistently weaker.

Not bad analysis from the outside perspective........except they neglected to mention that the key to keeping the ball moving under Brady was using Josh Allen like a battering ram in the run game. Basically ran him 10x per game in the 9 games under Brady. ALL defense's have a hard time stopping athletic, running QB's. I am a Brady fan...........but it wasn't any schematic brilliance. It was an organizational willingness to put the hard miles on the franchise QB. If Dorsey was given the green light to run Josh Allen 160 times during the regular season the Bills would have either had the #1 seed or Allen finishes the regular season on IR.

He didn't hire the coaches. Whaley was not an executive who instilled confidence in those above him. He was a road scout. He repeatedly was allowed to be "involved" in the hiring process but his opinion carried little weight. Ultimately Russ hired Marrone with little input from Whaley. Marrone and he were never on the same page. Russ also pushed the Pegula's to hire Rex. Then lastly, after Terry Pegula promised to let Whaley lead the search for Rex replacement.........Pegula picked McDermott when Whaley wanted to keep interviewing or hire Huge Action Jackson(according to reports). Then McDermott told Pegula he wanted to bring Beane in and sh!t can Whaley altogether. The genius of Beane is that he could probably sell propane to Terry Pegula. He is a confidence man. The Pegula's desperately needed that because they had no confidence in their own football decisions. Unlike their supreme confidence in Terry's hockey sense. The results haven't been championship level but having the HC and GM on the same page and ownership trusting their vision goes a long way. It makes them greater than the sum of their parts.

The Best I disagree about McCoy. We didn't see much greatness from him, just the 2016 season. Those days were mostly gone. But the 2015 and 2016 offenses he was on lead the NFL in big plays offensively with over 100 both years in addition to leading the NFL in rushing. That was awesome to see. They were the best offense's we'd seen since the early part of the SB run. Everybody running the ball was gashing defense's. It was the system. In 2017 with Roman/Lynn gone.........he was a below average league per carry RB. That team that broke the drought was the worst team to reach the playoffs from the AFC in 30 years. It was a fluke. Several drought teams were better. But it was a start. They regressed badly in 2018.......but it was something that Allen didn't have hanging over his head early in his career. The Weird Watching "Bills fans" appear out of the woodwork late in the lead-up to the Bills qualifying for the playoffs. Ultimately, the more the merrier so that's why it's not a "The Bad".........but there was an enormous amount of posers who had basically tuned out for a decade or more(if they ever really had followed them team) who used the opportunity to feign an out-of-body experience on social media when the team backed into the playoffs. Those f#ckers wouldn't even take free tickets for a December game during the drought and now were flopping around like they'd reached the promised land.

Yeah, Cole and the Martian should be a good show for Rochester Yankees fans. Also should see 1B/C Uncle Ben Rice. He and Dominguez both hitting around .400 at Triple A. If Ol' Yellerizzo keeps swinging a pool cue at the plate they might have to take him out backa' the shed and make way for a Rice/LeMahieu platoon at 1B.

He had a 50 yard TD catch from Allen yesterday or day before. But agree that he's at the back end of the prospects in the room. The big issue with him is he has had some BAD injuries. It's hard to imagine all of those injuries won't leave him a shell of his former self.........even if a limb doesn't just fall off mid-game. https://bangedupbills.com/2024/02/04/buffalo-bills-wr-kj-hamler-injury-analysis/#:~:text=Two ACL tears on the,the pectoral tear and concussion. I was never a big fan to start with. He's small but also a long strider. Which means he isn't likely to win much downfield with that lack of size but he's also not likely to be able to break off defenders on short to intermediate routes.

@Jerry Jabber posted that today......but that happened yesterday. It had already been talked about yesterday. It didn't happen again today.

B was my poll response.........but not using the OP's qualifications. A+ executive. B grade drafter D grade pro personnel C grade personnel man overall (competent but well short of excellent)

Basically this poll is: Is Brandon Beane great..........or the greatest ever. Anything less than an A and you are calling Beane trash using the OP's qualifications. I've seen this before he is a long time regime apologist.

The Whaley/Nix era wasn't "bloated". They were operating cash-to-the-cap for most of it and never even got close to being upside down on the cap. They also drafted a lot of star players.....an NFL DPOY in Gilmore, a first team All Pro in Dareus a near all-pro in Bob Woods, the explosive Watkins.....more explosive talents than Beane has found outside of Allen. Whaley also found great values like Tyrod, Lorax and Zach Brown in free agency and was the man in place when Hyde and Poyer were signed. Beane is nearly 0 for forever on flyers and cheap free agent deals (RT Daryl Williams the main exception). The Nix/Whaley teams were just VERY poorly coached, didn't have a top QB and subsequently changing systems over and over and were never able to build a foundation and change the culture because of those things. And not having a good coach was as much because their ownership was viewed as a clown show as anything. After years of tormenting the likes of Chuck Knox and Wade Phillips there wasn't any way guys like Mike Shanahan or Bill Cowher were going to take Ralph C's money when he came begging. And the Pegula's were clueless when they took over.

Yeah and I attribute some of that to the hole patching mentality instead of shooting for the moon. You can draft RB's on day 2 every year in this era and none of them is really going to move the needle on whether or not you win a SB. They've done it 3 times since 2019. And money poorly spent on acquisitions in 2017 and 2018 is still being felt today. Even in todays cap dollars it's crazy to think what Beane spent on the likes of Kelvin Benjamin, Corey Coleman and that brutal cast of 2018 free agents. And basically got NOTHING out of over $100M in actual expenditures. Every step matters. Fans sometimes view positive situations wrt the cap as a time when money can be wasted. Wrong. McBeane got themselves upside down quick and tearing down played a big role in those poor decisions. Not having that capital has limited them in recent offseasons. You need those stars you are talking about. They needed a DeAndre Hopkins last year. They will probably lament not getting a veteran WR1 this year.

Yeah they got some very good/important players in the 2017-2018 drafts but I think it's important to note that it's much easier to draft efficiently when every position is a need. See Donahoe's first draft. Clements/Schobel/Henry/Jennings? I mean, c'mon. You'd have thought he was going to build a dynasty drafting like that. It's really pretty common for tear downs to start with a bunch of hits in the draft because it forces the team to go BPA. Then a regime starts d!cking around patching holes in subsequent drafts and their true acumen becomes evident. Overall, I don't think they excelled at re-stocking. Allen was 90% of the turnaround. I suspect they get fired in 2020 if they had taken Mayfield, Darnold or Rosen. McBeane inherited a pretty talented roster with a couple key young free agents(Gilmore/Woods) but had a franchise tag and money to burn with over $30M in cap space and almost no commitments in coming seasons. You lose a Gilmore for nothing and then use a 1st on White. That's just the same drought-era-formula roster churn. You aren't getting ahead playing those games. That's why it really took them until 2020 to get the roster back near to the talent level of what they inherited. Three years is an eternity in the NFL roster building.

By the time Watkins got to KC he was set in his ways, one of the highest paid WR in the NFL and his injuries were mounting. He still had his moments.........often in the playoffs........but he wasn't the same quality of player that he had been in his first two seasons in Buffalo. The idea that he was too much of a screwball to have been great is wrong though. He was a beast at Clemson. A real gamer. But like I said, he didn't know what he didn't know. A big part of that was how to take care of his body. He played his final college game on a bad knee. It wasn't a game for anything but pride.......but he went out there and hung 227 on the Buckeyes on 16 very physical catches limping around on a sore knee. He didn't understand the concept of letting your body recover. That is exactly the kind of thing that having vets around can teach a young knucklehead. Sometimes a player ruins their great potential by not listening to their body. Don Mattingly should have been a first ballot HOF'er in baseball. Had to take like 1,000 swings every day because he was brought up thinking that hard work was the answer. Ended up ruining his back.

All of that is where leadership comes in. Lot's and lot's of players come from hardship situations. But Sammy lived on a mansion on a hill compared to what Ray Davis grew up with, as a current example. Sammy had a caring step-dad and two hard working parents. They were not broke living on the street. Anquan Boldin was a free agent that offseason but the Bills chose not to pursue him or ANY proven veteran to lead that room. Instead Watkins walked in and was immediately the alpha in all regards. Boldin was the guy for the job. From the same culture in South Florida. Hard nosed but a smart worker/trainer. Watkins didn't know what he didn't know. That's what was important to address. McBeane came in and immediately knew Boldin was the guy for the job but it was a little too late. Watkins wasn't buying in automatically to what McDermott was selling. Neither was Dareus. McBeane deemed having to prove themselves to players as a threat to their regime so they chose to get worse over working to earn the trust of any of the skeptical young core of players who had leverage on the organization. Gilmore, Woods, Watkins, Darby, Dareus.........that was basically most of their successful early round picks under Gailey/Marrone. Set the roster way back relative to a team they were competing for WC spots with every year in the KC Chiefs. Also dug a cap hole by helping to produce the most dead money in one offseason in then-NFL history. Not an ideal start and it beget the terrible free agent class of 2018 which wasted about $100M in cap space on trash. Thankfully, stud QB's fix most problems.

His challenge notification guy was the team's reverend, as I recall. What a clown show that was. They had like 54 coaches and 53 players because Rex wanted to make sure he didn't have to do anything but show up on game day.

Congrats..........that post was some high octane raw sewage negativity just for the sake of negativity. Didn't even sully the conversation with any football content. Well done, Negatron. The lack of self awareness of some of our fan-hater complainers is remarkable.

No. But I had a former neighbor(super nice guy) who a bunch of bad sh!t happened to. His wife cheated on him, divorced him, got the house and then he had a tree fall on him at work and I'd heard he was confined to a wheel chair and a friend of his was taking care of him out in the country somewhere. I was not surprised to hear that he had complications from his paralysis and had contracted and then died of pneumonia. A couple years later I walk out of a store into a dark parking lot and I hear a voice call my name out and when I looked it was him sitting in a pickup truck. Talk about a f#cking surprise. I wasn't going to tell him that I thought he was dead. He still had limited mobility from his accident but alive and functioning.

That's a nice argument for Gabe's agent........but not particularly relevant because you don't win a Super Bowl "in aggregate". It's about having those 2 guys producing WR1 type numbers in the same year. In the last 3 seasons 3 different WR have been the second best receiving target on the Chiefs and finished in the top 32 in receiving yardage in the NFL.......Tyreek, Juju and Rice. Gabe never did.

I doubt any Bills fan is praying against or rooting against Claypool. That's just a narrative that some dipsh!ts try to cultivate because they(you) are offended by the objective opinion on a hot-mess of a player like Claypool. Fact: there aren't many outside observers who expect Claypool to turn his career around. He's an afterthought to a thought almost nobody outside of Buffalo is even having. I've been among the most skeptical of Claypool's prospects but I'd love to be wrong about something that makes the Bills better. There are no awards for being right on TSW. Even the skeptical root for the laundry and somehow that's lost on some of TSW's blind homer's. I've agreed with a lot of what this Bills regime has done but they still haven't succeeded very often at proving me wrong on things I've disagreed with. And yes, you are welcome for the content.