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If you stretch the truth in both directions it makes the story seem bigger than it is.

I expect big things from Kincaid. But there has only been one Kelce. Not having a player who commands the coverage of CB1's like Sauce, Ramsey and Gonzalez in division allows those teams to be creative with where they put those guys. We saw a "great" split TE in Jimmy Graham be reduced to ineffective when he went to Seattle and defense's put a CB on him instead of him being able to roam against LB and S. Matchups are very important. Kincaid and Shakir may have been more "open" than Diggs.........but they weren't getting blanketed by a CB1 or even a CB2. And being that Kincaid and Shakir will be making most of their grabs in the same area of the field.......not having a difference maker on the boundary creates a matchup problem.

Diggs underperformed in the second half but wasn't "objectively bad". Was Kincaid "objectively bad" under Brady because he produced less than Diggs? Because that's the case. And you are predicting Kelce results for Kincaid........which are the greatest ever for a split TE. Just getting a little hyperbolic, I'd say.

The topic became nuanced.........which is the enemy of vaguery. Nowhere did anyone say Kincaid and Shakir weren't "the 2 most promising players we have as receiving threats". Certainly not me. So you are creating a straw man for no reason. You yourself know that they haven't done as much as they should have.

Just another vague rationalization. That hasn't proven to be the case in his career so far. Sherfield, Sharty, Lil' Dummy? Or in Mahomes' career either. MVS, Kadarius Toney, Skyy Moore.......has Mahomes elevated them? No.

I think I heard on WGR today that Pete LaCock hit a grand slam off of Bob Gibson for the last hit allowed in Gibson's career.

It's not confusion, as I explained, it's intentional vaguery. One of the problems with lumping together Kincaid and Shakir as prospects for massive progression is that they are at opposite ends of the target/productivity spectrum. Kincaid had a lot of targets and didn't do much with them. 9 yards per catch is borderline pathetic for a non-RB receiver. Whereas Shakir had few targets........but was extremely efficient with them. The same rationale doesn't work for both. We can presume that they will have higher bulk numbers but will they lead the Bills receiving weapons to a better season thru the air? Because they entered the offseason knowing they needed to get considerably better around Josh Allen. Somewhere along the line the apologists have lowered the bar to quietly better.

YOU said they were the Bills best receivers at the end of the season. It was an intentionally open-ended, vague statement. Maybe because it makes you feel better to have SOME kind of rationale. There have been lot's of those statements in this thread as people like the OP ambitiously rationalize the weapon situation the Bills organization has put Allen in. Perhaps not as obviously ridiculous as the "in aggregate" talk or the "defense's won't know who to cover" hilarity but suspect nonetheless.

Tell that to @hondo in seattle and @NeverOutNick.........who @Dr. Who was responding to and who I agreed with. Hondo said "The best receivers at the end of the season were Kincaid and Shakir and they're both still on the team." Nick gave that an "Amen!" Again.........too much is made of Shakir and Kincaid's play down the stretch..........Diggs and Davis production underwhelmed..........but Shakir and Kincaid didn't tear it up either. Even in that limited stretch their production didn't resemble what you'd want from a top option. And that was against lesser defender's than they figure to have to face this season. Comprende? Or do you still want to argue out of context for the sake of arguing with me? Because I'm done explaining the obvious. 50 and 40 yards per game ain't going to get it done for the top weapons.

My premise is based on what I originally responded to.........the false narrative that they were top 2 receivers by the end of last season. Try to keep up.

Oh as always you protest too much. Like I said.........the narrative that they were already the top 2 receivers is wrong. Neither was producing good "first option" bulk numbers......even over the limited sample size........and we haven't yet seen what they will do with the tougher matchups that guys like Diggs and Davis absorbed for the offense. Important to note.........the objective in Buffalo shouldn't be to get back to the level of offense that they were in 2023. A team that was one play......like Kadarius Toney lining up offside.....away from missing the playoffs altogether. A team where one of the OC's had to be fired and the other guided Josh Allen to passing lows he hadn't seen in 5 years. The objective should be to get back to the level of the 2020-2022 offense's and those had a WR1 option that was putting up over 1400 yards per season AND had depth of solid receiving production from guys like Beasley/Sanders/Davis/Knox/Brown.

And a bit too much is made about the play of Shakir and Kincaid down the stretch last season. The narrative is that they were the top receivers down the stretch........but produced just 52 and 41 yards per game paces.........which projects to just 882 and 697 yards in a 17 game season, respectively. Not surprisingly Allen's passing numbers in that stretch were his worst since at least 2019. That kinda' production ain't gonna' cut it.

Good guy off the field........one of the league's dirtiest on it. Allen's first career regular season game was against the Ravens and Judon took some cheap shots on Allen that day.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/can-t-miss-play-josh-allen-s-75-yard-td-bomb-pinpoints-gabriel-davis-in-stride The 75 yarder to Davis in the 13 seconds game is probably my favorite. The game looked like it might be getting away from them and to make THAT throw then was extraordinary.

The Bills current logo is among the best in sports. And it incorporates all 3 colors. No offense, but from a distance yours would look like an ink smear. Like the grazer/dead buffalo does in throwbacks now. It's not worse than the grazer though, but the grazer is bad.

Of course. Why wouldn't it? You've cited my point about how unaccomplished the Bills offensive weapons are many, many times...........and then conflated it with points about the WR corps in general. Of course, if NO PLAYER on the Bills has done it then that includes WR's as well but that's beside the point. Should be common sense, but not surprisingly lost on a scatterbrained fellow who thinks a bootleg Wu Tang Clan Bills cap is a New Era official. Just go to the embroidered baseball cap kiosk in the nearest mall and show them what you want. Those Israeli nationals will f#ck with the Wu Tang Clan's intellectual property and there is nothing those Staten Island Bills-hating Jets fans can do about it. Did you not realize that the New Era logo can be embroidered bootleg too? C'mon man.

They didn't have any players with more than 110 catches, 1416 receiving yards or 12 receiving TD's in any NFL season.

Update for you and @NewEra: The bar has been lowered again. Now the Bills have zero players with any season of 852 or more receiving yards in any NFL season.

Technically correct but Davis is the better outside receiver.........and that's the more premium position because it's harder to fill with quality. Davis and Shakir are both very position specific, IMO. Every camp the Bills would try to integrate Davis as a big slot and fail. Last year they put him in the slot on the first snap of the preseason with both Allen and Davis on the field.........Allen gave him a perfect pass on a slant and it deflected off of his hands for an interception. Experiment over. As time went on and it became clearer that Davis didn't have any secondary pitches defense's just sat on his limited route tree.

The term "track star" in US pop culture often refers to a person who runs from confrontation/adversity. Even seeing the term more often used for weak-willed women now. Maybe Noah is trying to puff up and get some respect. Sorry, Noah.........but track don't mean sh!t to the US public in general.

They lost their top 2 boundary receivers though. Slot-only receivers like Shakir are easier to find. I know some people think Shakir is somehow going to be great outside the numbers but I don't see it. And when I was at practice he was the only receiver NOT running anything intermediate or deep. They'd all be breaking it off 10-15 or more yards down the field and in the same sequence Shakir was pivoting at 5 yards. I think they know what Shakir is and want to keep him there. The problem is that Samuel is also best in the slot and IDEALLY Coleman would be given a ton of slot reps because successful teams are using the slot to A) free up their WR1(see how the Dolphins use Tyreek Hill for instance). B) Break in raw rookies with WR1 ceilings (Rashee Rice and Puka Nacua for example).

Unfortunately, the excuse was great HC's in Bill Parcells(with Belichick), Joe Gibbs and Jimmy Johnson going against Marvin Levy. Total mismatches. In 3 of those games those far superior coaching staffs had 2 weeks to prepare. Only one that was close was the short-week SB XXV and the Giants still managed to put together gameplans on both sides of the ball(the defensive one is an all-time great) to upset the largest SB favorite ever to that date in time. McD has his limitations but more in the vein that Schottenheimer and Cowher had theirs. But they were organization builders. Marv was a puppet for a GM lead organization and player lead team.

Claypool was a complete bust of a dumpster dive???

Mahomes and Watson had much greater "pedigree". I don't think that's what you actually meant because Mahomes was the son of a pro athlete and had put up huge numbers in college. Watson was an absolute superstar in college. Teams over-thought it with Trubisky. He had a nice season but they thought there was A LOT more upside there than there was.