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Terrible takes highlighted. The Bills leading returning receiver was 56th in the NFL in yardage in 2023 so noting that the Bills just don't have a "top 10" receiver is minimizing the issue for effect. Like when McDermott's response to having the worst NFL scoring offense in the SB era halfway thru the 2018 season was "would we like to score 50 every game? Sure." There were 5 NFL teams with TWO players in the top 32 in receiving yardage in 2023 and it's been that way for quite a few years now. One of them has continually been the Chiefs. Having two very high quality receiving targets has been a key characteristic of SB contenders for over a decade now. And no, the Bills haven't proven that they have a "wide spread of talented players" by any measure. Four in the top 100 does not "spread larger than most teams". Receiving yardage 2023 Kincaid 56th Samuel 65th Shakir 66th Cook 99th MVS 140th Hollins 161st Knox 206th

Said it elsewhere but the pass rush move(for some contender) will probably be to trade for Khalil Mack at the deadline. His base salary is near league minimum so the acquiring team would basically need almost no cap room to add him.........so he would be a hot commodity if the Chargers aren't in contention.

Yeah like I said, that 2018 Bills WR corps helped produce the fewest points thru 8 games of any NFL team in the SB era. In hindsight, that might be the absolute lowest point in the history of the Bills with regard to combined WR/TE/RB talent. But remember that at this time of the offseason in 2018: 1) Kelvin Benjamin was still expected to play like a 60 ypg backend WR1 in the NFL 2) It was presumed 2nd round pick Zay Jones would make big strides in an expanded role 3) Charles Clay had averaged 600 yards per season over the previous 5 seasons(558 in 2017) 4) LeSean McCoy was coming off a 1,000 yard season Every homer on TSW expected as good or better production each of them in 2018 and was glad to tell me so when I laughed at the unimpressive cast of playmakers they'd "assembled". There was even talk about McCoy using the TB12 method to avoid hitting the RB wall (I sh!t you not). -Benjamin put up a 37% catch rate and an impossible 22.6 pass rating when targeted and 7 INT when targeted -Zay Jones was terrible as well........76.9 passer rating when targeted with 5 INT attributed -Clay produced just 184 yards and 60.4 pass rating when targeted -McCoy was pathetic with 514 yards on 3.2 ypc

No he is T-Rex armed. Alligator armed suggests cowardice. It makes no sense, true, but it's how it's interpreted.

Don't put words in my mouth. My "initial metric" has been 900 since I brought the point up weeks ago. It's not a "now" thing........when I looked it up there were just a few outlier seasons with guys like Matthews and Williams who barely fell under 1,000. Claypool and MVS have been added since and still not cleared that very low bar. Did I need to make the bar 996 yards? No, because nobody they have has even got to 900. OBVIOUSLY with guys like Reed, Lofton, Brooks, Early, Moulds, Price, Evans, Stevie Johnson, Watkins, Benjamin, Brown, Diggs and Sanders they have almost always started a season with someone with over 1,000 since the league went to 16 games. More often than not, TWO. You understand that, right? As for your 2018 question........who cares? Is that brutal offense supposed to be some sort of bar? That squad was going nowhere with a rookie QB and ultimately scored the fewest amount of points any NFL team thru the first 8 games of an NFL season since the merger. (Which when brought up by the media McDermott said "would we like to score 50 points every game? Sure. ) What matters now is that the Bills WR corps stacks up as a bottom 1/3 of the league in a year where they are a SB contender. Why is that? Because of what they lack up top. Which is part and parcel to my point.

When the Bills traded for Kelvin Benjamin during the 2017 season he was producing almost identically to the 2016 season. A 900-1,000 yard pace. Which made him a back end WR1 producer in the NFL at that time. The narrative was that the change of scenery had slowed him and Beane was confident he would be back to his prior excellence. 2014 Mike Williams ( 27 and just one injury plagued season removed from 996 yards and 9 TD's in Tampa). 2017 Jordan Matthews (coming off 1800 receiving yards in the prior 2 seasons). Benjamin, Williams and Matthews career highs were 1,008, 996 and 997 respectively..........so we aren't splitting hairs at 900. You see how soon we forget that 900 yard seasons are a pretty pedestrian achievement? And yet in an era when there has never been more WR talent in the league the Bills now don't even have a player with even ONE of them. It's gross.

Yeah..........as I said all last offseason.........I never had much concern about MLB because everyone who came before Edmunds and filled in for him had success. Preston Brown lead the NFL in tackles in 2017. Julian Stanford, Dodson and Klein all played effectively in relief of Edmunds. I always made note of this to the Edmund's apologists who swore that Edmunds impact couldn't be measured in big plays. That narrative had very deep roots with the shills and their pet homers and yet was essentially abandoned ENTIRELY just a couple games into 2023. And 3rd round off-ball LB's and RB's are like first round WR's.........they should become starters early in their career or the pick is a bust.........and the Bills had expended their last two third round picks on off-ball LB's. This WR situation has been a lingering issue for years that just keeps getting a bit worse each offseason.

The Diggs trade worked out but it was the culmination of 3 prior offseasons of failure at addressing WR1. They had to trade for a vet at the worst possible time(a WR deep draft) because there was no longer any margin for error. He's just refused to get out of front of the problem. I know we are in agreement on the issue. The likelihood is that priority #1 going into next offseason will again likely be finding a WR1 so not addressing it now if they have the opportunity makes no sense. Everyone feels brave about what they have on their roster until the pads come on and it becomes clear that you need to win matchups. Kincaid was a dink-and-dunk option last season and could just as easily turn into Jimmy Graham with Seattle if he has a CB on him every play instead of those favorable S/LB matchups. Curtis Samuel isn't going to have much success against the high pedigree CB1's in this division. All it takes is not having somebody to soak up the "Sauce" to create bad matchups for the rest of the group.

The reason I don't think Beane will trade for a top WR is because he's consistently dropped the ball with adding pass catchers. After the AFCCG loss in 2020 he cited the Bills lack of speed at the position as a key reason why.............then subsequently signed the slow Manny Sanders as his only WR move. Each offseason since has just been another compromise at the position as they've gotten consistently worse there.

The Bills haven't started a season without a WR that had accumulated at least 900 yards(a low bar) in any NFL season since 1987. Right now, that's the case unless they trade for someone who's proven they can be a WR1 or a good WR2. It's just another unnecessary leap of faith at the position.........same as the past 2 offseasons(which ultimately failed the team) but a considerably larger leap this time.

If it were a "re-tool" year then Douglas, Jones and Von Miller wouldn't still be here. And Milano probably gets cut too. Those guys are all one-and-done most likely so keeping them around would be pointless if they weren't trying to win a SB. The "re-tool" year concept is just a coping mechanism created by a few homer's to help them deal with losing their beloved Tre White, Poyer, Hyde and Mitch Morse. The reality is those guys were just washed or equally viable, younger and cheaper alternatives to what they had left were readily available or within reach. The Bills aren't sacrificing this year anymore than the Chiefs were sacrificing 2022. It may inadvertently turn into a failure of a season but it's not by design. Clowney signed a 2 year deal with Carolina earlier in free agency. The pass rush move to look out for is a trade deadline deal for Khalil Mack. He is a pending UFA and has one of those league-minimum type cap hits designed to make him valuable at the deadline if things go south for the Chargers. I suspect one of the contenders is going to get Mack for the stretch run.

They are moving from X's and O's because podcasters can't keep subscribers or generate any revenue by being honest with the team's fans. The name of the game is to stroke the subscribers until the revenue comes out. If you want to be in that line of "work" and be honest or ever have a pessimistic view you need to have an audience that includes all team's fans...........not just the homer's of 1 team.

They "started the offseason" with a WR1 who had just produced 1183 yards on 107 catches and 8 TD's. Samuel, MVS and Claypool didn't even come close to producing those numbers combined. The strategy the Bills have taken is to hope for unlikely results. They did it to a lesser extent with Harty and Sherfield last offseason. And predictably failed. You are welcome to be satisfied with a stick in the eye or a kick in the nuts.......whatever floats you.........but don't try to tell us that p!ss is rain.........just admit you enjoy it because it's sterile and you like the taste.

Stefon Diggs was a quasi-legit starter? Man the homer's have no shame.

No sh!t. There are a lot of goofyass things people don't wear anymore. Maybe the refs should wear powdered wigs for that game. Mind your own opinions loser.

Well........those are soccer "kits" not football uniforms, IMO. The p*ssification is real.

Oh did I misunderstand you? You were OK with starting those seasons 6-6 before turning Allen into a battering ram? If so, I apologize for overestimating your intelligence. I thought perhaps you saw some value in maybe having a bye week for once to rest that unlucky Mcdefense that only loses because they are so tuckered out for some reason.

As I said earlier.........Pat Mahomes had an unfathomable 73 passer rating when targeting MVS last season. MVS is a guy who had averaged over 1.5 yards per route run during his career...................last year he had .72 yprr. He fell off a f#cking cliff and hit every branch on the way down last season. Career worsts in almost everything. All indications...........including the lack of interest around the league.........are that MVS was washed LAST season.........getting a year older isn't likely to reverse that.

Yeah "let's not discuss anything until after the games are played" makes for really engaging offseason discussions. The people who just want to be told everything is going to be alright always revert to this "I am of the mind to see see how things work out".............as if everyone on this board isn't planning to watch how things work out.

Yeah if they just start out pounding the rock with Josh Allen from the get-go and get him those 150-160 carries and 20-22 rushing TD's they should actually be able to be a #1 seed for once. You're right........why are they wasting money on receivers? They can just do this with Allen for the next 10 years. No problem. Totally sustainable.

You didn't think discussion of signing a washed-up MVS was going to generate 40 pages of responses, did you? Each vet scrub they sign is just making it more likely that they are going to camp with a dog's breakfast of a WR corps..........hence the expansion of the discussion. But if you have more to add about MVS than was already said, by all means. Yeah that would be akin to when they brought in Sanders to split WR2 role with Gabe Davis. Davis hands were always too bad to play any meaningful snaps from the slot but Sanders could go inside-outside like Samuel.

And Josh Allen had to run the ball over 9x per game during that stretch to get that done. Not sustainable.

Yeah MVS is washed up but him being a complementary piece isn't the issue. The issue is not having a WR1 or even an established, proven WR2. How it pertains to MVS is that the strategy appears to be "hoping" that 4 veteran receivers who are all coming off seasons where their season's production declined will combine with a low usage vet and second round pick to "in-aggregate" be a sustitute for Diggs and Davis and then some. As has been said before...........hope is not a strategy. So trying to score a TD with 1:55 or so left on the clock was trying to win it with no time left? Wtf are you talking about?

The post I was replying to said Bass just blew the staff's strategy missing the kick. I appreciate that you just try to follow me around what I say......it's flattering........but try to follow the conversation.

Just look at the 1997 stats.......the Bills only had 4 DL who were even active for all 16 games and the 4th was DE Marcellus Wiley. Ted Washington wasn't making 80 tackles from the NT spot with 50% of the snaps. If you want to believe that, that's your prerogative. But you are just mis-remembering.