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Well, he was basically the 4th receiving target to the opposition most of last season. As with Gabe Davis in 2022......what he is capable of will be much clearer this year with the larger sample size and doing it as the #1 or #2 focus of the opposing pass defense. Shakir had 3 excellent games out of 17 last regular season. He averaged 104 yards in those games. His next 5 best dropped off precipitously to just 44.6 average. Then basically 9 games of nothing. Sample size is just too small to project into the role he is going into as WR1 for the 2nd best QB in the NFL. I doubt his incredible small-sample production drops off like it did for Robert Foster after he averaged a ridiculous 20 yards per catch in 2018. But we've also seen other WR's have great limited role seasons like Davis and Chris Burkett(who lead the NFL with 22.9 yards per reception on 34 grabs in 1986.......and then needed 56 catches to get almost the same bulk production in 1987).

I presume Shakir will lead the Bills in receiving yards.......I know people love Kincaid for that but an untested, elevated WR1 is generally the better bet than an unproven TE1..........but 13.5 yards per target on 100 targets? C'mon now. It was one thing doing that in limited exposure last year..........defense's aren't just going to let him roll up 80 yards per game and leave nickel and dime defenders on him. That would be a pretty crazy season if he did that with so little else around him. Aiyuk had a similar ypt last year but that was with Deebo, Kittle and McCaffrey also commanding attention.

"Let me know.........if you see a radio shack." -Ricky Pearsall

Is someone upset? And if so did they not explain why.......leaving you unsure? Is it really necessary to gaslight and straw man every topic or do some simple equations like this not really need ceremonial fan-shaming?

I can't think of any 1st who has washed out that quick and then PS'd their way back to a good career with their next team. But Rasul Douglas was a late 3rd rounder in 2017 and failed with Philly and Carolina before kicking around 4 practice squads in 2021 and breaking out late in that season with Green Bay. He might be the patron saint for this kind of thing.

QB's are still primarily judged by team success and you don't really get on the list of great one's until you've either won 1 or been to multiple.

....good to hear, we worry about you.

I know you probably presume Andreessen is player #53 because you were certain he wouldn't make the roster. You probably thought Florida State would beat Georgia Tech too.

I suspect he'd get a bit more rope if he went somewhere else

If they expose Leonard Taylor he will get claimed. 5 star who dogged it in college thinking he'd just get picked in round 1 on talent alone. Went undrafted. His game fits the pro's. Passed up $600K NIL deal to enter the draft. He didn't try to put it together at Miami. He was just playing not to get injured last season. Mailed it in. Gotta' keep a carrot in front of him.

Will they now release BOTH of Hilarius Toney and Skyy Moore?

Yeah it was known that he wasn't a good scheme fit but they thought they could fix that overnight. They drafted him expecting a day one starter. And they are trusting that same judgement with Keon Coleman now. But I digress........bottom line is with Benford's injury history and Rasul Douglas aging Elam could easily be starting pretty early in the season and totally change his narrative as a bust. Ingram is more instinctive but the room gets a lot less athletic without Elam and less likely to be able to matchup in man.

Bernard and Rousseau could be on it next year if they stay healthy. Contract time players tend to get noticed because agents tend to impact these lists. Also, Bernard's numbers last year were pretty crazy for a MLB, top 100 worthy for sure, just needs to do it again before he gets recognized.

Chiefs put up 9 yards per play on offense. The Bills played terribly on defense that day.

I think a thread title is supposed to ask if anyone else is losing interest in something.

No need to re-visit because you never had a point in the first place. I'm surprised @GunnerBill even dignified your narrative the way I often do. You have proven to be a bit of a slow learner but I still have faith that the light will come on for you at some point. You will join us on the realistic side of the force one day.

Ok then you are being ignorant. Is that better? Not separating wasn't what people "think". It wasn't just an opinion........it was charted in-season. Way before he ran the slow 40 at the combine. You are conflating what people "think" with his what his performance told us. People "thought" he caught a high % of contested passes. Again, the numbers said otherwise.

The draft process on WR's here on TSW was long and very involved. The data and tape on Coleman was pretty definitive.........he did not separate well in college. We knew this in November/December. He didn't enter the offseason draft process with the same trajectory he had in September/October. The narrative that he was great at contested catches was debunked slightly later in the process than the separation question. Perhaps that's what you are confused about.

Yep. I remember your thoughts. Coleman was not a first round prospect by how the NFL grades them or even just being one of the top 32 players in the draft. His upside could be special for a number of reasons, but he was raw. I've compared him to Davante Adams. Adams was more polished than Coleman but still was rightfully ranked about the same (8th-10th) compared to his peers in the 2014 class. He hit his ceiling. But it took time. It's not likely at all that Coleman will ever reach what I perceive as his "potential" but I don't think Bills fans could handle Coleman coming out of the box with 2 sub 500 yard seasons like Adams did.

This is basically what all you said boils down to. Kincaid is likely to be as good as Kelce..........but that everything else I said is true. I am a big Kincaid fan but there have been TONS of TE's who have had better seasons than 673 and 2 and not gone to become Kelce. Sorry. Let's see him have anything resembling a pro bowl season before we jet past All Pro and first ballot HOF. As for your attempt at a cherry picked regression model.........yeah Kelce averaged 61 over his last 7 in 2022. But he averaged 84 over his first 7 in 23'. And he didn't average "60.8" or less in 23'. Learn how to use data. If you want to say a number proves decline then the SUCCEEDING numbers need to reflect that. Travis Kelce had a different year in 2023. He had a higher catch % than any of the previous 8 seasons which indicated the need to be more of a possession receiver due to the lack of productive depth at WR. And nagging injuries resulted in playing almost 150 less snaps than he had in the prior 2 seasons. That and resting the finale hurt his bulk numbers significantly. Still a GREAT year with unreal performances that would be hard for any TE to top. Like finishing his year catching an incredible 20 of 21 targets in the AFCCG and SB for over 200 yards. But Kincaid is "likely" to be as good you say. No, he's not "likely" to be that good. We can hope but his over/under for receiving yards is in the 700's because that is what the actuaries see as "likely".

I could definitely see Kincaid putting up 2014 Kelce numbers..........but it's just not relevant to the discussion about this years Kincaid being expected to rival the impact of the 1338 yard 12 TD All-Pro level 2022 version of Kelce. Even if he improves to year 2 Kelce level having nearly 500 yards and 7 TD's less is a ton. And to my point about it being irrelevant........the 2014 Chiefs passing game was so bad that they are the only NFL team in the last 60 years to not throw a single TD pass to a WR all season. Finished 29th in the league in passing yards with just 3100 total.

That's how I feel watching the team stretch. A coach blows a whistle, most of the guys get in one position pretending they are stretching. Then don't really move for a minute or two(especially the lineman). Then they blow the whistle and everyone gets up. All stretched! We've all seen Bills teams that had a lot more soft tissue injuries than McD's teams. Remember Wade's teams that were ALWAYS nursing muscle injuries? Rex teams had it bad too. Sloppy coaches usually equate to more of them, IMO. But what's the point of taking time out to stretch and then not really doing it? Maybe they need to stretch their toes better.

Yes, all of them. Were you not aware that the Bills had already been to the AFC championship game in the 88' season? Or that they entered 89' as an AFC SB favorite? They didn't come from nowhere in 1990.

TURF toe. You are thinking of camel toe. They aren't doing any clam slammin' out there, if you go to the practices you see these guys barely even stretch it's amazing they don't have more soft tissue injuries.