BADOLBILZ

Here is a good review of the Yankees choices in the MLB draft a few days ago. Also some talk about some of the rising Yankees prospects from the lower minors and the Dominican Summer League. Their first round pick wasn't until #26 and they selected Alabama right hander Ben Hess........who looks like a young Lance Lynn and, come to find out, models his game after Lance Lynn. The Yankees basically selected mostly right handed college pitchers in the 20 round draft. It's what they are best at developing and those players have been very useful in making trades. I don't expect any of the pitchers to make their pro debut this summer, they will go to the training facility in Tampa to have their games modified and get in the physical condition the Yankees want them to be. Some of the few position players they selected might play in A ball at Tampa or Somerset in the coming weeks.

I have been a Spencer Brown defender..........anyone can ask @Simon if they think otherwise ..........he's a tone setter and easy to root for and I think he could be a good one for a long time. But I don't want to pay him market value. I hope they can develop an adequate replacement over the course of the next 12 months. You don't need much at RT to win so paying big money for a RT is not a great idea. Especially if this ends up being a heavy 12 personnel team and he's covered up 40% of the time. The big money is for edge/island positions.

Did you have anything to share on the TOPIC in this thread? Or are you going to stand on your unconvincing opinions on the WR group from earlier in the offseason? It's ONE topic for debate on a message board..........you don't have to read it.........it doesn't have to have a resolution...........nor does WR discussion need to be stopped until some arbitrary date because it bothers you. It sure as f#ck isn't going to be resolved by watching practices. Two of the best practice WR in the McDermott era were Ray Ray McCloud in 2019 and Jake Kumerow in 2021. We will know how the WR corps worked out when the season is over.......just like everything else about the team........so should we suspend all Bills discussion until then or no?

Yeah my bad I didn't notice that you had just randomly changed the number for some reason. Though you should better clarify what you mean by "no receivers in the top 28"..........that's why I said players not "receivers".........because Rashee Rice DID finish 28th among all NFL WR in receiving yards. Rice was, by definition a "WR1" in terms of production. The number 32 is a reference to the fact that there are 32 teams. It's not an arbitrary number. Typically only 4-5 teams end up 2 players in the top 32 in receiving and it is, not coincidentally, always a very good group of teams.

Yanks nice 6-1 win tonight courtesy of an excellent Cole start and Soto's 9th career 4 hit game. Anthony Volpe bases clearing double helped overcome another bad Aaron Buffoone lineup card. Verdugo 4th and Tortoise 5th almost allowed the Rays to just pitch around Judge all night. Wells needs to be batting 4th if Uncle Ben is leading off. Another day, another game where DP Le Pew makes more outs than he has at bats. Yankees should bring Jack Neely up and give him some innings before the trade deadline. If they can get ageless wonder David Robertson from the Rangers for cheap to supplant Clay Holmes I am ok with that kind of deal but these deals for high variance relievers like Lou Trevino and Scott Effross haven't panned out. NEED strikeouts. And they can't afford a beast like Mason Miller from Oakland. They might have a decent 1 inning high strikeout % option with some closer potential in the future in Neely. 6'8 24 year old with a nasty slider and 14 strikeouts per nine the last 2 seasons. Dude misses bats. Been good in Triple A since his promotion from Somerset as well.

The Mahomes era Chiefs really BEGAN this idea of loading up the WR room. They made Sammy Watkins one of the highest paid WR in the NFL when they already had two 1,000 yard receiving targets on their roster in Tyreek and Kelce. Watkins didn't live up to his contract during the seasons but was excellent for them in the playoffs and sealed their first SB win by burning Richard Sherman late. They drafted Mecole Hardman in round 2 and basically ran the Bills off the field in the 2020 AFCCG. When they dealt Tyreek they added a deep ball specialist in the un-washed MVS and a young WR in Juju with a 1400 yard season on his record and Juju produced a top 25 receiving yardage season and sealed their 2nd SB win drawing a PI late. The rest you mentioned. They have tried HARD to be great at WR.

How can you say that? One of them was rookie wide receiver Rashee Rice. The other is a first ballot HOF TE who also averages 15 MORE yards per game in the playoffs in his career.

They had two players in the top 32 in receiving yards. As they always have under Mahomes. The only year the Bills had that with Allen was by far his best season and the Bills most successful season under McDermott.

I haven't seen anyone say Curtis Samuel isn't a really good WR3. Standards are high for WR1 and WR2 when you are trying to win a SB.

Yankees vs. Phillies and Yankees vs. Dodgers given highest odds as two most likely WS matchups. https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40571201/mlb-2024-second-half-preview-rankings-playoff-odds-all-30-teams

For Mike on Horse***** and US Egg

You are TSW's official king of gaslighting. That's at least 3 different topics where you've done it in this thread. I see people just refuse to address facts that refute their claims when they know they are wrong...........that happens all the time........... but not intentionally lie over and over to try to confuse readers into buying their line of BS. If that's who you want to be..........so be it. Those political tactics are just repugnant on a sports forum........anyone can get their fill of that elsewhere.

With the way that people grasp on to things that McBeane say..........I am just at a loss to understand why some fans can't see that they made a major shift to "complementary football".. That just isn't congruent with the pass heavy offense's that Daboll ran. But they think they are going to get the best of both. They've made a shift and some of us think they've shifted too far(again).

I just know that it's always a good bet that your takes will be wrong. You are TSW's all-time LEAST accurate poster.

Here is what you are agreeing with: "Bottom line, not only is expecting the group to rank higher by seasons end not unreasonable, it’s statistically the most probable outcome based on history of all receivers and weapons that play with Josh Allen." Then you are wrong too. More of these individuals in question have not exceeded expectations than have. By a substantial margin. That's not a criticism of Josh Allen. Nor is it a "line of reasoning".

Again this was EXACTLY what you said so cut the "not even remotely close to what I said" bullish!t : "Bottom line, not only is expecting the group to rank higher by seasons end not unreasonable, it’s statistically the most probable outcome based on history of all receivers and weapons that play with Josh Allen." I underlined it for you this time. Maybe that will help. I gave you a paragraph full of "weapons" who have had disappointing seasons and/or failed to perform to expectations with Josh Allen. Clay, Benjamin, Foster(year 2), Davis(3 years), Knox(multiple years), McKenzie(Lil' Dummy phase), Brown and Beasley(aside from one season each), Sanders, Sherfield, Harty........ Some of those guys were "starters" or expected to become(or remain) "starters" and impact players. That's a lot more "history" than Diggs and one season each of Brown/Beasley. Fact.

You should quit trying. And day drinking. And making "kiss-of-death" Bills predictions.

The bottom line is that the passing game fell off significantly under Brady. It was Allen's worst such stretch since 2019. The Dallas game was what it was.........a frustrating statistical game for Allen despite the running game dominating. When you are killing a team like that on the ground you would expect a high completion % or ypa. But no. But even if you remove that Dallas game from the 7 that Brady OC'd in the regular season..........it was still a bad stretch. Just a 62% completion. 9 TD's to 7 interceptions is horrendous. That 6 game output projects to an anemic 26 TD to 20 INT. You are focused on manipulating the data to manufacture a "top 10" result (passing yards per game) when they simply weren't a top 10 passing team under Brady.

They are all just waiting for ME to say it so they can vehemently deny it.

I suppose this is what I get for telling you to distill your takes down. You went from "look at all the receiving weapons who have played with Josh Allen"..........(which is like 50 players).......down to........"no, wait just look at these 3. And only count one season for 2 of those guys."

This is YOUR quote that I replied directly to: "Bottom line, not only is expecting the group to rank higher by seasons end not unreasonable, it’s statistically the most probable outcome based on history of all receivers and weapons that play with Josh Allen." I didn't move the goal post...........you forgot where you put it.

And in those 7 regular season Brady games..........by your own calculations.........Allen produced what would have been the 17th most yards passing per game in the league.

Even if we buy that Keon has the polish to succeed as a rookie..........his projected "X" position makes it more difficult. Guys like Puka and Rashee Rice who finished 4th and 32nd in receiving yards and lead all rookies did what they did mostly playing the slot or just lined up tight to the formation. It's more difficult to be great on the outside as a rookie. Better corners, tougher releases etc.. And in order to get slot chances it would likely have to come at the expense of the Bills NEXT 2 most likely receivers to succeed in Shakir and Samuel. So a success might be robbing one to feed another. Not unlike Kincaid having relative success at the expense of Knox having almost none. They had a whole WR corps full of slot receivers before they went dumpster diving for Claypool and MVS.

The 13 win 2020 is the closest they've gotten to the SB. Don't tell me about the 11 win 2021 team being the one that deserved better, though. The 2021 struggles were reflected in their step back in the passing game. Brown was gone, Beasley got old fast and Sanders fell off quick. When you build a WR corps around vets you can't expect it to last. The Bills expected bargain investments like Davis and McKenzie to grow into starting roles and blossom........they shopped in the clearance aisle for other talent.........and got burned. Which is why they've had to draft for need for weapons with their first pick each of the last 2 drafts.

Yeah, you are cherry picking. What happened to Kelvin Benjamin and Charles Clay? Why did Robert Foster crash to earth in year 2 with Allen? Why hasn't Dawson Knox become a star? Why did Gabe Davis plateau and never really become more effective in his final 3 seasons? Why did Beasley and Brown fail to replicate their ONE career outlier season each with Allen? Sherfield and Harty were supposed to play big roles. Why did Trent Sherfield put up only 86 yards after putting up 417 the year before in Miami. He played over 1/3 of the Bills offensive snaps! The answer to ALL of these disappointments isn't on Josh Allen, IMO. But you can't make one claim without acknowledging the rest. That is cherry picking. Diggs is the only player we can make the argument that Allen has consistently elevated.........and doesn't necessarily mean it's true.........the reality was that he was a prime aged star coming off a near 18 yard per reception season in Minnesota. Look what Cousins did with Justin Jefferson after Diggs!