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Perhaps but it's an over-reaction from Bills fans though if you ask me. Decent game. Some nice changes. It's not like Dorsey never made any changes in 2 years though. And he was running an offense that didn't punt the ball for like a month at one point last year. He had to adjust his offense for Josh not being able to make short throws after his UCL injury. He made the changes everyone applauded in the Tampa game. He showed some identifiable flaws and looked green as a play caller at times but so did Joe Brady in Carolina. I sit about 10 rows down from the OC box. After the game there were just a few of us left and one guy was yelling and gesturing thumbs up to Brady and wondering why he didn't respond back even though he clearly heard/saw him. I told him the facts.........because he has been there and he knows he will be getting his turn over the open flames soon enough and he isn't going to acknowledge it then either. That's the nature of the job. Hopefully they build off this performance but I didn't come away from 3 quarters of having to settle for field goals against an opponent you know they've been itching for revenge against for months thinking that was a revelation of an offensive performance. This team under McD just always runs into these mid-season ruts each year and this year's has been particularly damaging and threatened to turn the season into a waste. The change was necessary for the frame of mind of the team more than anything else.

Yeah I never said the Bills D looked awesome. It was just a no contest. The Bills just needed to not turn the ball over and it would be an easy win. I follow the Jets closely. I love watching their hilarious post game shows. Must see TV. I fully expected them to be at their worst with Garrett Wilson playing with a torn UCL or whatever is going on with the elbow he injured against the Raiders. It was taking candy from a baby when the ball came to him. Just saying that Floyd and Oliver seemed to be moving around as well as they had been in a while.

Joe got some guys wide open a couple times. But Dorsey had been getting guys "NFL open" regularly though. And Warner was a guy who carved up "NFL open". We forget just how bad the execution by the players has been the past couple months. In this Jets game the fumbles got recovered, and the "yikes" throws didn't get intercepted by Sauce and Reed on the Bills side of the field etc.. But the offense still had plenty of the same issues. It was a couple thisclose plays away from being a standard 22 point Dorsey game in recent weeks. So I tend to agree with Kurt here.

Yeah I don't want to hear any BS from a player that gets himself hurt skiing, motorcycling or on a jet ski etc.. You f*ck around and you should find out. 100% self accountability. It's your representatives job to try to get you paid but the bottom line is you took an unnecessary risk. It's audacious to expect the team to pay you anything for getting hurt when you are f*cking off. That's what being properly insured for your level of risk is for.

It's not like they were replacing McKenzie...........he was trash. Just too many dumb mistakes. Agree with the overall sentiment that Harty has been a bust of a signing so far and that he and Hines were both vastly overpaid for what they can bring to the table. But Lil' Dummy has continued to be awful in Indy. 7.5 yards per reception is BRUTAL. 2 fumbles(again) on just 35 combined touches on ST and offense.

My take all along is that this defense is just replete with opportunity for LB's to make plays. Journeyman quality Preston Brown lead the NFL in tackles playing MLB for McD for chrissakes. That's why I wasn't the least bit shook about losing Edmunds. I felt confident that one of the cast of unproven, modest or low investments and/or some journeyman vet like Kirksey would emerge. And while Milano may play his position better(All Pro last year) than any other defender on the Bills..........he is not the MVP of the defense and therefore not their "best player" on defense. That being thrown out there all the time is just disingenuous. Because defensively the game is won at the LOS. Their struggles since London are much more a function of the injuries to playmaking DL like Oliver, Rousseau and Floyd and the struggles of Von Miller. Those are the "best players" because they do the next most impactful thing to playing QB........rushing the QB. When those guys aren't getting pressure and making plays it's rat-a-tat-tat thru that back 7 whether Milano is healthy or not. I mean how many times do we have to see Mahomes and Burrow do it until we can accept pass rush and penetration are the Lord and Savior of the D. Thankfully, Oliver and Floyd look like they are back to early season form and it showed against the Jets. As for Oliver specifically.........the defense has always struggled IN THE PAST when Oliver has to play 1 tech...........but this year he is handling double teams like a champ when he has to. What did they say Sunday? He has a better pressure rate against double teams than any other DT in the league has against singles this season. That's a crazy improvement but that's what we expected when he was drafted. He played NT at Houston. It was expected that he would play bigger than his size indicated.

2 veteran former star players is plenty when there are only 4-8 teams max that said players would join..........with most such teams not looking for a big non-pass rusher. DT and MLB are also positions where mid-career players often turn into very good players out of nowhere............so it wouldn't be shocking if a Dodson emerged as a good starting LB in the NFL for the next few years. Some current examples are former undrafteds by the Titans......LB Robert Spillane(now Raiders) and DT Teair Tart..........undrafted then cut and seen as fringe roster guys who emerged and will probably both be in the Pro Bowl this year when the few better ones ahead of them opt out. A one tech being "tremendously important" is a much bigger issue when there aren't serviceable options on the street..........like when it's a position "you can never have too many of" like any premium position, for example. Your logic is poor on this topic and you protest far too much about that take.

You're just wrong about that. Joseph and Suh were both out there each of the past two years..........and in seasons before that Snacks Harrison was on the cheap trade or free agent market every year from 2018-2020. This is business as usual for the big body veteran DT market. You've definitely missed the point about what @HappyDays was saying. Non-premium positions are relatively easy to fill short term and short notice with capable players. When you are trying to find players at premium positions, it's usually a much more complicated fix. I'll also add that Joseph only played 20 snaps last game and a lot of those were well after the game was out of reach.

Coaching AND the on-field leadership.

Hey, I like the Brady hiring because I think he has a great foundation.......but he was definitely terrible in Carolina. I remember watching it and thinking how idiotic some of the calls were for such a hot commodity at OC. That's why he didn't get another OC job right away. It was brutal. It would be a mistake to think they just hired a guy who can take his and beat yours or yours and beat his at this stage in his career. He's a work in progress and he claims that he now knows that he has to tailor his offense around the players instead of his scheme. As was Dorsey a work in progress.........who some team will eventually hire as an OC and their fans will be ecstatic because he was Josh Allen's QB coach and his offensive production has been so great (as opposed to Daboll who was league worst the first 3 times he was fired as an NFL OC). And Dorsey will likely address the complaints about his work at his next job. First time OC's don't usually get to take over SB contenders and rookie one's basically NEVER get to a SB. You gotta' go back to Mike Holmgren with the 49ers in the 1980's and that was taking over an offense that had just won the SB the year before. Ultimately, I think Dorsey mostly just got caught up in Josh stuff. Josh injuries. Josh drama. Josh immaturity. Josh f*cking off offseasons. Players following Josh's sadness lead this season. Josh is the sword that the OC will live or die by and they needed to do something to get Allen focused and excited about the project. Hopefully it lasts and they can build off of it.

I can't imagine how your opinion of Daboll has fallen with all the tirades and berating of players on the sidelines he's done since his totally unprepared team took the field this season.

Yeah if he keeps up his pace of the last 5 weeks he will have over 90 catches.........not 80. 8.5 yards per catch is a piss poor number for anyone who starts at the LOS though. 9.3 is not good either, which is to my point about the big ask expecting him to up that to 12.5 to get 800 over his first 80. I'm not saying he couldn't do it.........but it means locking up with CB's and Safeties in coverage downfield more.........as opposed to the LB's he has been exploiting near the LOS with the defense giving them a lot of those underneath routes that fall short of the sticks. Now, 8.5 is a solid number for a RB coming out of the backfield........but you want your slot guy averaging a first down plus per reception............that's literally why slot receivers replaced the "3rd down back" many years ago. It's also why Cole Beasley's impact decreased significantly when he fell under 10 ypc.

I haven't heard that Dorsey was inattentive to detail. I'd heard the opposite. The reality though is that he was a first time OC. A true rookie OC hasn't won a SB in the last 40 years or so but McD let Josh choose his boy anyway. I think the larger issue has really been what's gone on with Allen the past 12 months.........between the injuries and the stupid stuff off the field. He hasn't handled the transition to fame and super-rich like one would hope. More than anything I think Joshy needed a shot in the arm. They go as he goes. Simple as that.

@Zerovoltz "The Bills need less good receivers" thread might be the worst TSW thread of 2023. Receivers REALLY matter. The Chiefs may still win the SB because their D is kicking a$$ and Mahomes is still the best.........but this year their unwillingness to risk it and sign Hopkins has left them with a bunch of ball droppers running around out everywhere. Mahomes has to be pulling his hair out. MVS dropped a TD that probably wins this game and Watson dropped multiple passes including the 4th down pass that ended it for KC.

It feels that way on overreaction Monday.........but it's really not that big of an indictment of the work of Dorsey personally, IMO. Dorsey had his shortcomings but ultimately the players on offense are the most to blame for keeping many games too close this season with volumes of inexcusable turnovers...........and the fact of the matter is that the defense and special teams have given up leads the offense gave them at the very end of game 4 times. Even if Nate Hackett himself were the OC of this team they should be no worse than 9-2 heading into the tough part of their schedule. Something had to be done to get this team out of their funk. A change was needed somewhere and it couldn't be McDermott and Smiley wasn't enough of a sacrifice to move the needle. The OC took the hit and it was a good decision by McDermott to make the move, IMO. It works out great that they have an experienced, energetic young play caller to take over. If the best option was Mike Shula I think Smiley would have hit the unemployment line Monday. I liked Joe Brady's game plan just fine......it was more conservative than a wicky-wacky Daboll game plan but it still had some gotcha plays that were very well timed. But the biggest difference was still that they didn't turn the ball over and keep the inferior team in the game while they were struggling over and over to move the ball in the red zone in the first half. Just keep chopping wood........gradually pull away........and then finish them. That's the formula. Ball luck helped Joe look smart as well. Diggs and Allen both had fumbles that were not recovered by the Jets(the Allen fumble was recovered by Spencer Brown but got picked up for a penalty as well).

He would need nearly a 50% jump in yards per reception in the final 6 games........basically producing like Travis Kelce in 2020-2022........to get to 80 for 800. That's going to be a tall order with the schedule in front of them. I loved the draft pick and he's been excellent for a rookie but at a paltry 8.5 yards per reception the training wheels haven't really been taken off yet. Looking forward to the point in the future where he's able to be used more downfield like the TD play against Denver.

You mean this? The dumb hills people kill themselves on at TBD

Actually, unlike you I am a baseball fan who follows every organization. You are the one who doesn't follow the rest of the league and says dumb sh!t like "I was at plenty of games with 15,000 fans!". Do you even know the standard? 15K is a bad night at the box office. That would project to just over 1M fans per season. Terrible. You are very ignorant about this topic.

No, your feels aren't the "final word" pal.........that is the actual American League attendance figures: 10 times dead f*cking last 5 times second to last 7 times 3rd to last 7 times 4th to last The A's are an organization that has made the playoffs in over 40% of the seasons of their existence in Oakland, won 4 damn world series titles, have always had some of the best uniforms and gear in the league and the community has just never fully embraced what they had.......and could have.........if they stopped being so fickle. With all the wealth in the nearby area of Northern California it's nobodies fault but the region itself that they lost a baseball team. It should be more of an embarrassment than anything.

Yeah, those long arms and tenacity are the ingredient for making those happen. He gave Tee Higgins all he could handle too.........it's hard for anyone to even challenge Higgins at the catch point but he was all up in his sh!t at the catch point.

This is why I say you are a no account poster...........you just make sh!t up and don't show your work. Have I been proven wrong all along about Gabe Davis? Or Edmunds? When I said Rasul Douglas was a "great fit" when he was acquired......has that been proven wrong? The reality is that there isn't anything remotely recent to take a mea culpa for. Because, unlike you, I don't go out of my way to have takes on things I don't have a well formed, reasonable opinion about. "Not that you care" about looking ignorant or idiotic........but it doesn't advance discussion to be those things. What is the end game of suggesting that the second longest winning season streak in pro spots isn't an "incredible feat"? What's the bar over such a long period of time? Having the LONGEST such streak? Which they ALSO have(39 years). Winning the most titles of any pro sports teams? Which they do. Having the most WS titles in that current 30 year span? Which they do. It's just an example of a dumb hill to kill yourself on.

I have been really perplexed by your take on Douglas. He's in no way, shape or form a backup in this DB group...........and he's the clear CB1 if the choices are Dane Jackson and Christian Benford(though they are both having their best seasons to date). The guy not only brings the physical traits and instinctive play to excel in this defense but he's a leader and a very tough, physical player. Can he run long with the league's fastest receivers? No, but they haven't had a CB who was both good in the system and could run with sub 4.4 receivers since Gilmore.

No, that's just me telling it like it is. "Rich" would be something like you going out of your way in August to find me and mock the Yankees 30 year streak of winning records because you were certain it was coming to an end.............a topic you'd never mentioned prior..........and then never owning up to that stupidity after the Yanks played well the rest of the season and finished with a winning record once again leaving you with a totally unnecessary face full of self-inflicted sticky stuff. 😂 You are the very definition of a poster of no account on TSW.

Because bad officiating stirs discussion of the product...........and the indignance it generates bonds fans more closely to their "wronged" teams. Simple as that. You never watched Pro Wrestling growing up? It's a very simple formula. But unlike WWE the NFL doesn't have to even do it intentionally.........they just make it a very difficult game to officiate.........then the mistakes happen and the ratings and merchandise sales just grow and grow.

That response is pretty weak and was not your take at all. You've done a complete 180 on Gabe...........10 days after selling him as a top WR2 you were calling him a "role player". I can't remember seeing anyone turn on a player so fast that they had so adamantly defended. Have a take and stick by it or have the courage to own up to the terrible take.