billsfan89

That's the big concern, I would have to see the advanced stats and the All-22 analysis on Star to see if he was doing his job or was it the guys behind him or next to him or if Star just sucked. The defense got abused in the first half but overall played well in the second. It wasn't just the Chargers trying to run out the clock either after that first TD it was only a 2 score game the Chargers on got that put away field goal after a pick that put them in field goal range. The team is clearly a work in progress and but Star's lack of perceived impact is highly concerning at least now just after watching this game briefly.

I know, I am just playing devils advocate with Tyrod (pointing out that you can skew and frame things in whichever way you want to.) I thought the team should have kept him for one more year but the return on him was pretty good so I understood the move. I was more so mad they traded AJ and fell for NP again. But I thought Tyrod was the perfect competent QB to have for one more year (he is gone at this point no use in dragging it up what's done is done I just think that Allen shouldn't be compared to Tyrod because they are completely different QB's and Tyrod's situation in Buffalo was different than Allen's now. The stats don't tell the whole story on either player and I think the comparisons should stop.

Tyrod also won a lot games and added rushing yards and didn't make a lot of turnovers. You can lawyer it in either direction and fit the stats to your arguments. Tyrod is gone for better or worse, Allen is and should be the future.

Allen played like a rookie, lots to work on but you see the pockets of potential that he has and a lot of his mistakes seem to stem from inexperience more so than tragic flaws in his game. Decision making will only improve as he plays more, he will throw a lot of picks and take a lot of sacks (both a product of his inexperience and his O-line) but he will also improve as the season goes as experience will be his best teacher. I still wish the team had a decent vet QB to throw out there instead of him (experience is a great teacher but I worry his footwork will be negatively impacted by playing behind such a bad O-line and I think rookies are best suited to sit a year at least) but throwing Allen to get experience is not a bad option at this point.

The offense seemed to get going in the second half, even factoring out the garbage time the team just played a lot better in the second half.

Honestly this game isn't as big of a negative as it seemed like it was going to be in the first half. I think the second half is big for this team psyche. Allen's picks cost them the chance to do anything even remotely competitive (esp that first INT where had they gotten it and the PAT they would have only been down 8 with a ton of time left) but Allen got the garbage time TD which should only help grow his confidence and his teammates confidence. The defense played well in the second half which should build their confidence and allow the coach to try and reproduce that style of play more frequently. The only score they allowed was off a pick that put the opposing offense deep into their territory. The offense didn't look hot but they got some sense of momentum in the second half scoring early in the half to bring the game to some sort of sense of competitiveness and driving deep into the Chargers territory when it was a 2 score game. This is still going to be a bad season but at least there look to be some positives emerging from it.

Mahomes is in the right position to be successful. I was happy the Bills traded down in 2017 as I wasn't a fan of his. But the Chiefs sat him for a year behind a good QB, the Chiefs have a above average O-line and surrounded Mahomes with great weapons (Top 2 tight end, very good RB, and two legit receivers.) Andy Reid also makes QB's look much better than they are in general. Overall I think the Chiefs did it exactly right with Mahomes, The Bills on the other hand should have kept Tyrod for one more year, as much as the return for Tyrod was solid he would have been a perfect "Bridge" QB to keep Allen from baptism from fire. I wouldn't call Mahomes the second coming just yet (It's two games against less than stellar defenses) but the returns on him are looking more than promising. I do not think the Bills would have been in the same position to build around Mahomes so he certainly wouldn't be the same player with us.

Better to bring him along more slowly for the Browns long term.

An overthrown deep shot over the right sideline.

It's McD's fault for giving any time and resources to Peterman. Why the !@#$ would you have viewed that player as anything other than a 3rd string player is beyond me.

I just don't think this team would trade Kyle for a 7th round pick. I also think that at Kyle's current salary and given the other younger players a team could trade a late round pick for at DT teams aren't going to be knocking down the door for an older rental player when they can find better options elsewhere. It's not to say Kyle isn't productive but rather would there be a market to rent a veteran DT who maybe is above average but once again IF The team is 0-6 odds are there aren't too many players having good seasons. Dareus was on a bigger contract but Dareus was much younger and still anchoring the run defense of the team. The Jags were a poor run defending team despite their pass rush and amazing secondary. The Bills also took on a good cap hit trading Dareus while the Jags only really had to deal with dead money for this season, IF Dareus was an issue for them they could cut him in 2019 with no cap hit. It was only the Bills who would have had a cap hit cutting him in 2019 had he stayed. Overall you can't compare the two players because the scenarios are different if the Bills are an 0-6 team.

I was more so approaching it from a hypothetical scenario of the team being 0-6. If that's the case (and that's a big IF) then the team has to consider trading a piece for a future asset. Right now at Game 2 we are far from the team being 0-6. Dareus was still viewed as a productive player on a 5-2 team. I know everyone around here was shitting on him because he was not living up to his huge contract but he was anchoring the run defense and still by far the best interior D-line player on the team. The Jags gave up a 5th and were desperate for run defense help. Odds are if the team is 0-6 none of those players will not be having good seasons or be performing any type of specialty skill that a team might need. I just don't see those big contract players netting a pick for the Bills.

Outside of Shady there isn't any other player on the roster I could see another team wanting to give up a draft pick for. Clay and Hughes are on huge contracts and not the most productive. Lorax and Kyle aren't productive enough to warrant a team trading for them. I just don't see any other veteran players on big contracts that other teams would want besides Shady. That being said if this team is 0-6 and there is a 3rd round pick on the table for Shady I would consider it.

Dude he sucks get over it, Tyrod looks like TyGod compared to Peterman.

Yup its embarrassing, esp considering that Peterman did the exact same thing last year and a lot of suckers on this board fell for it. Peterman looked like a world beater in last years pre-season to the point where so many were clamoring for Tyrod to be benched before the season started. I would routinely make arguments that Tyrod was as good a bridge QB as the Bills could possibly get for Allen who would have zero pressure going into year 1 if a vet like Tyrod was anchoring the spot. But people were so against Tyrod on essentially a one year deal because they were so confident that any QB off the street was better than Tyrod. Now granted the Bills got a decent return for Tyrod on the final year of a contract and AJ McCaron could have been a decent game manager. So while I wouldn't have done the move I at least saw the effort to put into place a competent QB option in front of whichever QB we drafted. Instead they shipped AJ off for a 5th and banked on !@#$ing Peterman because he looked good in pre-season again.

I think the possibility of a spot foul is necessary, if it was a 15 yard penalty defenders would do a lot more intentional fouling on big throws down the field if they know they got beat. Overall I would like to see more digression given to the refs to call it a 15 yard or spot foul penalty given the nature of the play.

Thursday games are always kind of fluky, so I can't put too much into it, they are !@#$ing awful.

Snacks when he got that contract was coming off of being a top run defender in the league for back to back seasons with the Jets, Star had not been as successful or highly rated in his previous seasons. I think that Star should have been in the 6-8 AAV range as opposed to 10. I think the FO overbid on a player based off of being familiar with him. Now that's not to say that I don't think Star can't be productive and anchor the run defense, but rather that they overpaid for him and if his contract is a bust that's a huge negative on the FO. Where I am concerned with the front office is their pro-personnel evaluations. The 2017 draft looks to be a good draft (White, Dawkins, and Milano will look like hits and if Zay Jones could be productive the draft will go from good to great) and I like what they did in the 2018 draft (Although it will be heavily dependent on Allen panning out.) But if they can't improve their pro-personnel decision then they won't be able to supplement the roster with the free agents needed and all that cap space become a lot less useful.

What I like McD is that he understands the team culture is the most consistent thing you can control. Having players buying into a consistent philsophy is something that is very underrated in the NFL. But it is on Beane to put the pieces in place and if McD isn't capable of buying the groceries on offense then Beane has to step in and find the players himself.

That's a very fair point but Star has to be one of the best run stuffers in the league to justify that contract, Snacks Harrison grades out according to both the analytics and by the eyeball test as the best interior run defender in the league the past few seasons and Star is getting paid more than him the following two seasons.

The Bills were committed to getting out from under a lot of contracts from the Whaley era. Beane was also committed to landing a QB mortgaging a lot of draft capital to acquire a QB so that has compromised the roster. 2019 will be make or break for Beane in my opinion. There will be no more excuses for the cap or draft capital. The team will be set up to be built in the mold that they want.

The FO has made some good moves for sure but they have also made some puzzling ones that could end up being huge miscues. The Star contract is looking like a terrible move so far (Granted still too early to tell but he was unimpressive in training camp and pre-season and lacked impact game 1, even at the time of the signing I thought the Bills overpaid) and not resigning EJ Gaines could also prove to be a costly negative move esp given what he eventually ended up signing for. So although the FO hasn't proven to be incompetent (not even close) they made more questionable moves than I would like to see (Every FO makes mistakes but the Bills are making more mistakes than other elite front offices.)

At least Bottiger is a young player, I would rather toss him in than Vlad.

There is only so much you can do with NP at QB. Honestly even if DaBoll was absolutely awful in week one (Which I don't know hard to tell by the tape) I still am not in panic mode just yet. Hopefully week 1 was just an epic disaster and not a complete foretelling of the teams fortunes this season.

I still think this team desperately needs a backup QB. Peterman is completely awful and the team simply shouldn't start him. Josh Allen is the starter but they can have Peterman one play away from starting at QB. I also don't think it would hurt to have a vet QB for Allen to lean on.