st pete gogolak

I understand concept of giving himself up but is that instantaneous? When does the ref blow the whistle?

He hammered the kickoff. No way was that an attempt to kick it short. Even if it's not a "great" short kick and KC downs it at the 15 or so, it runs a second or two off the clock and KC starts 10 yards further out. If they try to run it back, anything other than a kick return touchdown leaves time for either one play and a long FG or a Hail Mary.

It would have been really smart and contrary to every football instinct, but watch last catch in regulation by Kelce. He goes to the ground with about three seconds left. If he isn't touched, refs can't blow whistle and KC can't call TO until the whistle blows. Hey, I'm grasping at straws here but baiting KC into throwing to the middle of the field and NOT tackling the KC receiver could have been a viable strategy.

Bingo. They played scared the last 15 seconds. There's elite then there is a defense giving up 45 yards in 10 seconds.

I was going to start a separate thread with a slightly different take but I'll go with it here. It seems to me that draft preference has changed significantly in the last eight weeks. Eight weeks ago, I would have been all-in on interior OL, either first or second round or both. With the way the OL performed last six weeks, not sure that's true any more. Dawkins (who was terrific last month) coming back healthy, Bates (who I believe needs to be re-signed), Morse (assuming he doesn't retire or is a cap casualty), Williams and Brown (who I think can be an All Pro in a couple of years although Ingram abused him in the fourth quarter last night) are solid. Add Tommy Doyle as swing tackle and Feliciano as backup IOL and I don't think we necessarily go IOL early - maybe a mid round pick. RB - many folks were crying out for an early RB pick eight weeks ago. With Singletary's play down the stretch, I don't think that's an overwhelming need. Maybe a veteran FA RB to provide some depth. DL - I don't see how you invest more draft capital in the DL. I assume both Hughes and Addison are gone. You've got to let the three kids play next year and hope they develop. Maybe get a veteran FA pass rush specialist. It's not going to happen but how about a homecoming for Kalil Mack on a short term deal? LB - Let Edmunds play out his contract. Find a good run stuffing LB in the middle rounds and give the D some versatility. When playing run heavy teams, play a traditional 4-3 with Edmunds outside and let's see if he can create some havoc playing for a new contract. CB - I wouldn't have said it eight weeks ago and maybe it's some recency bias but I'm all in favor of drafting a CB #1. Let Wallace walk, sign a mid level veteran, and hope White comes back mid season in decent form.

To me, it wasn't just the game tying FG that did it, it was the MANNER that KC got the FG. If Butker had connected from 63 yards or if Mahones did a Houdini escape from a rush to complete a pass or if a receiver had made a spectacular play (like Eli Manning and David Tyree in the Super Bowl), I think it makes it a little bit easier to live with. But there was nothing like that. They moved 45 yards in two plays with no opposition whatsoever. It's like the only thing we were protecting against was a Hail Mary. Should have kicked short and should have played D knowing that anything inside our 45 gives them a chance to tie the game.

Are you trolling because this is an idiotic take. You're already moving the goalposts. Now we needed to beat a team playing well? We beat KC and NE in the regular season, hammered NE in the playoffs and just lost a heartbreaking game to KC on its field. That's not counting the last second losses to TB and Tenn. The team had the best point differential in the entire league. One thing I will grant you is that the D was overrated. It was good but not great and got absolutely hammered tonight. Otherwise your post is a total joke.

Agree 100%. With 7 or 8 seconds left it would have required Mahones to hit a bomb to get into FG range. Given what our defense was doing he might have hit it but kicking short would have been correct call.

Both Daboll and Frazier need to find head coaching jobs this offseason.

Agree 100%. What a joke.

Inadvertent whistle before play is over should result in a "do over". That's the rule. Yesterday in Raiders Bengals game, there was an inadvertent whistle clearly blown while ball was in the air. Do over? Nope. Bengals touchdown. Refs ruled whistle was after play was completed but that was pure BS. Someone said it was a "common sense" ruling. That reminded me of second half kickoff in Bills Texans playoff game. Texan returner failed to down ball. Bills recovered and it should have been Bills touchdown or a safety. Refs huddle. Texan ball at the 25. Why not enforce the rule. Because "common sense" gives the ball to the Texans. Shouldn't there at least be some guidance where "common sense" allows the referees to totally disregard the rulebook?

Chris Watson, "he's really a punt catcher, not a punt returner". Wade Phillips. Was that 2000?

Not true. We lost to the Boston Patriots in '63 playoff after two teams tied for Eastern Division crown. We lost and then Boston got absolutely destroyed by the San Diego Chargers for AFL title.

Just don't want to see NE again. Maybe it's the last 20 years but whatever. I don't fear the Colts. They just lost to the Raiders at home. How about a game plan this time designed to stop Taylor and make Wentz beat us.

What dead money with Sanders? Isn't he a UFA at the end of the season?

Pretty sure that historically, Washington was the most racist franchise in the NFL, aside from the Redskins nickname (racist owner George Preston Marshall, last team to integrate, etc.). I honesty believe a great nickname (although I admit WFT kind of grows on you) would be the Redtails to honor the WWII Tuskegee Airmen. It would be a way to make amends in a small way.

Then we should definitely rest the starters next week, lose to the Jets and open on the road at Kansas City. Brilliant!

Beats NE after a game winning FG doinks off the upright. Beats Bills because of an egregious noncall on potential game winning TD. Beats Jets after Jets blow a 14 point lead, make the worst 4th and 1 call I have ever seen and throws a game winning touchdown with 15 seconds left. OK, crushed the Dolphins. Yeah, he's good but I swear he has sold his soul to the devil.

I'm regretting this post! Not enough controversy to generate a decent conversation.

Almost four years out. Regrets, there are a few. Cleveland - Baker Mayfield. Uh, yeah. If they had picked Josh, their 2018 draft could have ranked with '74 Steelers (Allen, Ward, Nick Chubb). NY Giants - Saquon Barkley. Uh yeah. Compounded mistake of picking a RB too high with a top ten pick of Daniel Jones the following year. NY Jets - Sam Darnold. Uh, yeah. Cleveland- D. Ward. If they had drafted Allen #1, this would have been an ok pick. Denver - B. Chubb. Uh yeah. They decided that they were good with Case Keenum and have cycled through Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater (am I missing anyone?). Indy - Q. Nelson. This is at least an interesting discussion. All Pro guard for next 10 years and future Hall of Famer. Plus they've been able to plug in Rivers and Wentz for passable QB play. On the whole, however, yeah. TB - Traded with Buff. Took Vita Vea at #12 and picked up a couple of CB's in Round 2. Also ended up clearing the way for Brady in a round about way. Doubt there are any regrets here. You win a Super Bowl, you don't ask what if.

One interesting tidbit. Usually when you say "X plays and we'd be whatever", the comeback is "but Y plays and you're so and so." That isn't true with this team. Every win has been a blowout. It's been an inability to run the ball in the red zone, combined with a couple of bad calls and combined with some bad luck and the result is 0 - 5 in one score games.

How about the article from the Boston TV (or radio) station saying that the Bills' window was closed. Not in danger of closing or closing if they lose to NE but CLOSED. You know whose window is closed? New England's because they're going to face Josh twice a year for the next 10 - 12 years. Suck on that.

Wouldn't this make him a perfect candidate for the Dolphins? Also, what are the cap ramifications if Star simply retires? Do we need to eat cap space?

Evans is a "fringe" HOF player at best? Really? Why don't you take a look at his career stats and get back to me. A couple of more years of similar stats and he is a lock. In fact, if we had picked Evans instead of Watkins, most posters on this board would have been more than cool with the trade-up.

Agreed. There's legitimate one score losses and bogus one score losses. The Steelers game is closer to the latter than the former. You're absolutely right that the mind blowing thing about the losses this year is that Titans, Pats and Bucs are absolutely agonizing losses where we are deep in the Red Zone with legitimate chances to win the game. Even JAX, we are a Gabriel Davis drop (someone who doesn't drop a lot of passes) from being in FG range to at a minimum send it into overtime.