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This is just proof how billsy belongs in Wikipedia. 12 guys after fg missed tops 13 seconds. Billsy plus is stepping it up.

Open your eyes to the big picture. A win over the jets means nothing with the tough schedule ahead. This is not a SB, NOR playoff game winning offense and the d is too injured to stop playmakers late. Don’t be delusional. They are losing now to the worst in the nfl. Same pats qb that got benched AGAIN. Put up 29 on us with a game winning drive. Outside Diggs /Kincaid, who puts fear in defense ; josh doesn’t leading league for years in turnovers. Good teams will destroy this team this year, sorry to be honest. Coaching change may save next year but its looking like2025 is hope with new staff.

But didn’t you see from the great poster arguing how josh is playing the best qb in the league , and no one could prove him differently. That hasn’t aged well just one day later. No sense arguing with a clown. who wont even listen to reason . Tried that before and that low brow couldn’t even be bothered to listen to a reasonable article about a topic i have expertise in , but i approached from simple freedom of choice. So yeah,, it’s not possibly on josh according to the great analytics. However, those analytics don’t include w/l’s , common sense, or the eye test. 3 turnovers against a terrible team , leading the nfl in turnovers , is compatible with josh playing the best qb in the nfl. Dobbs /stroud look better right at the moment. Having said that, josh is salvageable next year with a change in staff. Even Greg from cover 1 finally calling for new staff. Right now josh is either arrogant or playing dumb,,,certainly has arm talent. This staff has peaked , no consequences for bad play from josh. Beane failed drafting any competition w Fromm. Dorsey cant get across to josh. Mcd doesn’t want him to run. They are ruining a good qb , i make a move , clean house next year. It was expectable to see this loss coming on late fg. I called it in game at 15-8 after stupid ending to first half. D collapse every game late if they have to make a stop. 12 men after missed fg worse than 13 sec loss. Bad coaching just is the consistent thing with this staff. ANOTHER SPECTACULAR LOSS UNDER MCD !

Allen also complained about calls in the later pressers by talking about the grounding. It’s well known the NFL fines and doesn’t tolerate talking about refs/ calls later. Appropriately, haven’t heard him complaining about the fine , as I’m sure he can afford it if he keeps choosing to whine about calls. He ie becoming the Jason TATUm (Celtics star who complains of non calls almost every possession ,and has often given up fast break buckets while standing and complaining) of the BILLS. Just focus more on what you can control. In addition, i find it pretty ironic that the team captain , qb, was NOT the guy calling an offensive players only meeting; maybe he knows not to throw stones if you live in a glass house. Just saying, he is playing ok, but he is just as an important part of the losses as he is a part of the wins. Sorry, not sorry, but it just seems desperate when a guy B’s about so many calls , and at times he over acts so much , it’s like he was trained by soccer players to embellish calls. Maybe turning to the refs begging for a call after every other hit and crying wolf so much results in not getting calls that ARE justified. It’s just a cheap tactic, so MAYBE stop looking for flags, read progressions better and maybe all the ints start disappearing. Maybe it’s me , but I don’t remember guys like Kelly, elway, or Marino always turning to the refs begging for calls. It was a tougher time to play, and Perhaps because their offenses could get first downs and score without needing ref help? Qb protection has gotten to the point of absurdity. ( btw , don’t look now but the Texans are leading the bengals at half 10-7 ,STROUD w almost 200yds passing against the D we put up only 7 going into the 4th quarter, and we were never really challenging in that game despite the final score. Texans look to have great team speed and Cincy’s tight ends aren’t controlling the game like they did against our lb corp. The issues aren’t just offensive , as the d has fallen off at every level. Throw in Minnesota playing great offense w Hobbs , and you wonder why our offense is “too complex “ for a guy like Hines to get snaps a year ago ; our team is in full meltdown) Love the BILLS , but not a fan of excuses for everything now that we are losing , mostly by playing inconsistent, mistake , penalty prone football. Hold the complaining about calls cuz other teams seem to overcome things. Hey , injuries ARE important too , just compare the colts giving up 6 to the pats today compared to our d giving up 29 and the game winning drive to a qb who was benched again today. This team has many issues ( as the Texans go up 20-7 in Cincy as motor ram one in ) and I’m very skeptical any player only meeting turns this around. Even Nate burleson picked the broncos in tomorrows game, wow, just seems like a down year! How can coaching at all levels not be an issue if the bills miss the playoffs?

Just was up late, unfortunately having been in a lot of discomfort as 5 discs Have collapsed im my cervical spine , trapping my cord and surgery was not successful in getting any feeling , except dysesthesias ( permanent feelings of numbness superficially coupled with the feeling of pins and needles in my upper extremities. as if your limb fell sleep that persists 24/7 . Not complaining as im still walking , but ironically my friend .the neurosurgeon , who is the reason i can still walk, rolled his minivan in a freak accident , killing one of his twin 12 yo daughters and his own cord was severed , resulting in his becoming a quad. It’s been a few years but the holidays are the anniversary of his tragic loss. No history of trauma to my neck, just discs collapsed with no warning as my left leg gave out while walking down a hall to see patients. The typing which is poor on a iPad with its spell correct, was a distraction from the discomfort and i have great empathy for Hyde. . Unfortunately i require pain management , but our gov has outsourced many med s to other countries and at least in fl there is an unpredictable shortage. Advil and tens units sometimes just aren’t enough and i didnt mean to be cranky or share too much). Been a bills fan since ‘63 , and they are great entertainment. I tend to be a realist, heap praise and have had great respect for mcd. But Also see nothing wrong with constructive criticism. I’m 66 , been to 2 super bowls when younger . 27 and 28 , and reality is time may be running out for both the bills and myself regarding a sb title. Lol, that’s life! It just strikes me as a possible wasted year with a franchise qb that we can prob agree is not a common luxury to have. I like mcd , but i just wonder if anyone else ever tires of the constant coach speak , as it’s not like he is guarding some great secret to success while the team is faltering. It really means nothing in real life , but on the other hand it might be entertaining if mcd occasionally came out from behind the curtain and was occasionally genuine. Many would be understanding which could help his longevity. Reporters have a job to do as well, and they really are frustrated with the rhetoric and it seems unnecessary to be belicheck jr. Levy was a great coach and i enjoyed his communication style and vast knowledge of history and he seemed to be a very good leader. Like he said , winning cures most issues , and if you dont watch many content providers , its either doom or a 180 flip insistent we will be 13-4 and afc east champs even now. It’s hard to find rationale thinking that the results will prob be somewhere in the middle. Try having a civil conversation and see how that goes.these days. With mcd , It just seems odd this year , as he has more control, the beat reporters are saying cracks and leaks are appearing. It’s only an observation , yet the qb seems a little edgy as he even critiqued the fans who adore him. It’s just a study of behavior that interests me. However , any critique of the team , even from a loyal, respectful fan of 40 plus years , is met by personal attacks and name calling , even when just kidding or being sarcastic to lighten the mood of those who might take the season results a little too seriously. This board was always a great place , and i have met several friends on my time here. Now , if one offers any critique ( despite the many calls for mcds and Dorsey’s jobs) , it’s personal attack time and rude name calling. It’s just the internet so why be bothered? Well , it’s a slippery slope of lost civility. Hey , all im saying is i miss a quality product from a hobby that i enjoy and has some health benefits for me ; very high pressure job and sometimes change is progress for everyone. Best wishes !

Mcd is having his worst year since he started. Let’s forgive the injury bug, but small and fast guys on defense seem to get injured just as quickly as thEIR 40 times. What happened to earning your snaps ? I get Von is paid 120 miL to spectate, but he didnt even know the teams record was 5-3 prior to the game in an interview. Not engaged enough to know the actual record despite all the podcasts , endorsements and providing cute sound bites like dont blink! Maybe at least dont blink long enough to actually know the teams record you now have 120 mil $ paying for your podcast equipment and chicken feed. Is that too much to ask of a ‘superstar”? He is less than a year out from the acl repair and so far his main contribution has been failed recruitment of every other aging star searching for one last bag ’ and i did see him biting or grabbing the ankle of a qb in one game , ala Monty pythons black knight who was limbless yet yelling he would bite the other passing knights kneecaps ! Nothing of significance since the injury. That’s ok and to be expected at his age and less than a year fro surgery. BUT mcd preaches earning snaps and you can not convince me had they not made the desperate 120 mil $ deal for a vet, he would never in any other scenarios be out there actually making the defense worse if mcds philosophy was consistent and his actions meant more than his obsessive dependence on vets over developing younger talent. You dont think players are aware of these inconsistencies? Especially as the losses mount? You could tell at practice and certainly within one series, if he does not belong on the field yet in crtical game situations , like last nites last series, there he was being beaten . Stats don’t lie , but mcds coach speak is getting more insufferable. 2 guys off the street looked more in place than Von did AT THIS TIME It’s not consistent with his process message that is also wearing extremely thin. This whole process now rings hollow and the results dont lie, this team is at a crossroads as they, imo, are very unlikely to make the playoffs and even if they somehow do, this is by far the team most likely to make a one and done appearance. They are what their record says they are now as we are past the halfway point. It’s not like i am making some profound hot take; every analyst who saw the bllls as SB CONTENDERS LAST YEAR, HAve all referred to them as frauds, pretenders with no identity, and almost ever one Has agreed their SB WINDOW HAS OFFICIALLY CLOSED! Hey , in josh’s vernacular , these guys get paid too! Hard to believe they are all misinterpreting what they are seeing. New guys on defense are irrelevant to this putrid , faceless offense , and TD Lenny will in all likelihood go the way of last years RB addition ,,,maybe catching a few passes because Dorsey ‘s offense will prob be too complicated for the Lombardi winning TD Lenny to displace cook, or our two other powerhouse backs. Once eliminated , TD Lenny may somehow end up on the ir once he realizes backs and Dorsey are oxymorons! Yet , i still saw some content providers expecting us to finish 13-4 or with a flurry where we are favorites from the wildcard spot or still win the east. Talk about seeing the glass as half full; i don’t think that’s meant to be meaning you drank the firs half before your podcast! Lol. Gotta laugh or you are going to make yourself sick. Delusions are difficult to eradicate. It’s in reality a bad year , with bad injuries , but i dont understand the disconnect that allows some to believe josh Will stop leading the league in ints and go two games in a row without a turnover; i mean its a trend since 2018 if i am correct. I really like him as an athlete , but this coaching staff has turned him into a joyless , indecisive , defensive PR machine for a head coach obsessed with process, yet terrible with game time decisions and one of the worst at challenges , blown time outs , and a leader of one of the poorest tackling and idiotic penalty producing teams this side of jauron and REX Ryan. The big question is in the face of needing funding to continue for the new great stadium , doe PEGULA have the balls without his beloved , fully functional KIM (GODSPEED) to make the decision we all see is needed before we are forced into another decade of journeyman QBs, and mercifully hire an offensive minded coach . Let’s see what beane might be capable of out from under mcds thumb. It’s tough to face these things , but its folly to ignore them and bury ones head in the sand as the fins, bengals, ravens, eagles, chiefs , jags all keep making a strides with creative offensive play calling and we are stuck adding more assets to an overly inflated d line , backed by dbs that hold or get flagged for pi routinely on third and long and blitz leaving Po or Hyde trailing receivers at least once a game as we now give up copious explosive plays. It’s not jet lag , it’s coaching lag now, and the best solution is letting it play out , and realizing its only possible to progress with change! Remember . No qb /coaching duo has won a SB if they didnt do it within 5 years. It’s not hyperbole that this window has closed, and its time for those new hurricane proof windows heading into that new glorious , well deserved home for the greatest fan base of them all ,,,aka the MAFIA! We all endured 4 straight SB losses , wide right, music city miracle , 13 seconds, at least one Hail Mary , playoff blown leads , and not one recent SB APPEARANCE.. COME ON MAN , IS IT REASONABLE TO BE ASKED TO HAVE TO ENDURE MORE NONSENSICAL PROCESS TALK AND A OFFENSIVE MIND WHO GOES TO A SHOTGUN RUN ON THE HALF YARD LINE? Remember , no one is twisting your arm to buy the probably required seat license fees just to have the chance to buy a seat to endorse being one of the few franchises to have no Lombardi trophy to display at their glorious venue. The teams STAYING IN BUFFALO. As the saying goes, much is expected to whom much has been given! It’s the BILLS TURN TO GIVE , AND FORGIVE ME MCD , YOU ARE A WONDERFUL MAN, PERHAPS GREAT DC, BUT YOU HAVE BEEN SURPASSED AS A HC. HEY, EDMUNDS LOOKED OK AS A LB UNTIL WE TOOK THAT CHANCE AND LOOK WHAT POSITIVE a simple CHANGE MADE. This franchise is treading water now, it might just flourish! Best wishes , enjoy each game as the season flies by. Have fun , dont attack others as no matter how you slice it, there’s always two sides! It’s harder to think, that’s why so many are judgemental. Nothing like reverting to name calling , right mr unlimited bettor? Too funny! 9

I am fresh out; one was picked off and i fumbled my last one.

Zero margin for error; sounds really plausible and just where we want to be. Probably the plan all along. Just like losing is a great wake up call. Or this’ will be a get right game. Everything we want is still right in front of us. I cant do that anymore (ints). We will watch the video and learn. We are still finding our identity. The other team gets paid too. It’s hard to win in the NFL. ,,,,oh yeah , we need to play complimentary football! Yep, seems like old times and we will flip the switch really soon. We have just not been aggressive enough. God bless you, your are a glass half full guy! The world is better when more half fulls , fill the place! I’m half full about that, really!

He has become belicheck with his canned responses; yet he has won NOTHING more than 3 afc east titles after Brady left and the fins and jets were totally rebuilding. Even that modest streak ends this year His passive aggressive style/ arrogance where he doesn’t even respect the press or fans enough to offer some genuine humility or offer some candor has gotten beyond galling. He is losing the team and community support. People are patient when you win or deliver. His process crap has grown stale . Especially given the multitude of horrible game collapses without 1 afc title. I gladly tolerated losing 4 sb’ s because it was unheard of to go to 4 in a row. We were respected as a team and landed several players, a coach, and a gm in the hof. This obsessive compulsive fixation on “the growth process” has resulted in a joyless brand of football where players are taught not to get too high or too low. Well , in medicine , that’s a flat affect state and is far from normal. Try taking the joy out of your work on a day to day basis , and see what you achieve. Look no further than the low positive state josh now thinks he performs best in. Mcd might have ocd,,,,many highly successful people do have those traits. When he has no control , like in game new situations, he has proven he tends to fail in some spectacular fashions. One thing is certain, he needs control and its his way or you’re DABOLL! Im happy he is leading a successful life, but something seems lacking in the success of leading this franchise to its logical next step , and mcds response was to assume more control. Obsessing over more decisions doesn’t seem like a good lifestyle choice. I’m just making observations , certainly not diagnosing anything. Is it me or does the whole organization seem to lack passion and a cohesive direction at this juncture? Interested in your thoughts,,,,didnt realy seem like many players were angry about losing tonight.

This aged very well, just as predicted. Obviously you should try watching some other teams play besides just predicting bills results based on past years and thru rose colored lenses. Bengals were peaking coming in if you had even bothered to notice, but you chose your bias of we are overrating our opponent. The only overrated team here for the majority of the season , and it’s getting predictably worse, is the BILLS. SORRY, but called this easily going all the way back to the Hamlin game when this signs of offensive disarray were already showing up. Almost lost to a depleted fins team at home prior to this same bengals offense embarrassing us at a home playoff game. Outside of the outlier dolphin win, this team has been spiraling on offense , and to be fair, no team can overcome losing 4 pro bowl type starters on defense while breaking in a new ILB and dealing with two great safeties who should have been replaced. It’s only going to get worse looking at the schedule . But, yeah we gave the bengals too much respect. Hate to let you know but the broncos beat the chiefs, but that’s probably giving them too much credit. Probably another “get right” game we have been being told about For the past month. That comment about burrows calf really stands out as quality analysis as well. Looked pretty healed tonight as he ran for first downs , but I doubt it had any effect the first three weeks when he couldn’t push off. Save this analysis for your archives’/ memoirs when writing about mcd bringing a Lombardi to buffalo! Not trying to be harsh , but reality is a good thing to dwell in. But hey , you played by Tsw rules where any constructive crticicm of the team is frowned upon or canceled, so carry on.

So yeah, the commanders just beat the lowly pats in New England. How bad does that loss to the pats look now? Yeah, pretty BILLSY. THE chiefs and fins played a great, energetic game today in GERMANY. Not one mention of jet lag affecting the quality of play. Yet for two weeks all we heard was how travel was badly handled, even tho the chiefs also got in on Friday, and we had to suffer the excuses of how the bills started w no urgency and that carried over to the bucs first half. YEAH, that is BILLSY whining that you seldom hear regarding other organizations. And , after Aaron rodgers goes out on the 4th play, our vaunted team proceeds to lose to a Wilson lead team , who literally had a questionable future with the jets. We lost on the last play to the pats after having the lead , giving up a 75 yard TD drive to Mac jones , losing on the same play to a te that we barely defended against the giants , winning on the last play that game to a vastly inferior roster. Yeah, that’s BILLSY. After giving up two Hail Mary passes in prior games, we just let another one hit the ground with a buc just a head turn away from a winning catch as BILLS players like Poyer were lying on the ground. Yep, that’s a BILLSY THING 13 seconds. BILLSY thing. Wide right, BILLSY THING. Losing a 16 point lead in the playoffs,,,,hmmm,,,BILLSY THING. Let’s not mention the other 3 super bowls. MAYBE, someday BILLSY will be an adjective or synonym for greatness. Right now it is what it is and it fits too well. THEY CAN CHANGE IT, FIX IT , REAPPROPRIATE IT! Let’s see which way the pendulum falls tonight. If its a 1 possession game , and we lead but the D has to stop BURROWS,,,,,mmmmm, just saying right at this point in history ,,,,,my faith is on the BILLSY thing. Lol. Lighten up man,,,it’s just a wonderful distraction for so many weeks. In the end ,,we are just seen as all pro coach oc’s who have no reasonable clue how to judge good vs bad play and we are not part of their fraternity. They do appreciate donations tho to their foundations or any activity where they are financially rewarded to do the really strenuous work of sitting and signing objects. Heaven forbid we jokingly describe a human beings acceptable , occasional foibles as being BILLSY! AFTER ALL, they only deserve praise. ( forgive the tongue in cheek stuff,,,but real hero’s like good parents deserve more attention than the original ludicris poll)

Sorry, but on replay, there is a plethora of stupid choices by a roster plagued by undisciplined play. How many times are guys grabbing face masks, making contact on third and very longs? Not like this season is some outlier. Some franchises seem to actually play more intelligently. Critical drops, routes running into each other, and players more worried about their post play celebrations have found little consequence with this staff. Thurm rarely did selfish things, Talley led by example. Today after a pick the dbs have to run for their instagram pose. Maybe someday they will grasp its about team. It’s all about my rodeo dance now,,,,Bernard gives me hope as a TEAM leader. How bout expecting more from the players than the refs? Hmmm,unique concept.

Tomlin just wins baby, trends, stats be , well you know! Only 3 coaches for a reason. Guess who also has led a team to 5-3? Every week on here , it’s only the W that matters in a week to week league. Qualify a W here at your own risk , so seems hypocritical to degrade a steeler W. Just saying. Can’t have it both ways,,,,can we? Asking for a friend!

JUST THROWING MONEY at two “names” does not recreate BUTKus AND RICHARD DENT. I guess refrigerator perry and McMahon are next in line ,,,,,like line dance reruns of the SB shuffle! Gm is playing w Monopoly money. Got to admit i love seeing edmunds running alongside a screen pass cuz at 6’5” he is too valuable preventing crossing routes and his waist towel hopefully never comes loose from his belt. Best looking non hitter in nfl history. Looks fantastic fixing his dreads and gloves after every play. Butkus is rolling and urlacher just yanked out his transplants. Fields is the antithesis of McMahon as a leader. Amazing How the black and blue division, Well Chicago, has gone from Windy City to little red riding hoodville, in a straw venue. All they need is to bring on their past mayor in the role of singletary eyes! Good thing they have great hospitals like RUSH, cuz da bears fans are going to be filling the ers up with coronaries as they down brats flushed w pitchers of green beer. Well. They had’85 And that win over grogan and the pats! Seems like yester………,,,40 years ago!

Well beane defended him as analogous to Douglas;s development. Out of nowhere we heard about his “ankle injury” and sudden plays for ir. This helps relieve weekly questions , keeps a small return this season possible, negates beans admitting his rash ,mistake w the pick, and gives another cheap year on his rookie contact as they evaluate Douglas. Would have never gotten any trade value. Very intelligent moves by beane to avoid any chance of another player thriving Elsewhere like a certain brownie ol. Plus its another chance to save face w pagula regarding a missed first round pick. Many receivers peak in their third year so nothing is lost but developmental time on a young athlete. Living in Florida tho and catching gator games , i thought he was very overrated as he was good but on a comparably badly coached team. It’s really about beane saving face,,,,he has done well this year but his RBs drafts and free agent WRs this year are very underwhelming. We’re not 5-3 brimming w depth as the injuries have exposed the d and let me know when josh;s support at wr shows up with Kincaid as his sole standout addition offensively regarding a target for josh. Even that has been offset but Knox reverting back to his undependable hands at crtical times. Thank gosh he dropped motor who was always a fumble or crucial drop waiting as well. And i will praise beane for letting the always soft edmunds go who was always supported by those saying what he never allowed , as opposed to a true playmaker like Bernard. All those Edmunds apologists like the content providers who snobbishly always told fans and thumbed their noses saying we could never understand his value because they are such experts just because they spout opinions on YouTube. Blank the “king: was the most arrogant , yet no admitting how wrong his analysis was,,,,just ask bears fans. I digress , but it was 5 years of spewing that crap and arrogantly demeaning Any other suggestion. Humility is a good character trait….try it occasionally “king” , but that self title speaks its Own delusional ideation. He who laughs last…….haha!

I know this will sound bad, unknowledgeable. I am from Ohio, been a buckeyes fan all my life. I actually argued this point with yolo before young was drafted. I watched him play soft the last part of his senior season despite team success. He was playing to avoid contact, waiting on his payday. That turned my opinion of him. What impact did he have against the bills? Sure he might turn it on occasionally,,,,esp if he might get more$. He does not play up to his billing. Takes plays off and for his athletic gifts he plays soft or below dominating as you would expect. Again , i watched just about every snap as a buckeye. He was a stud , but something changed. Not every guy plays after getting that bag. All im saying is i would watch if the fire comes back. Maybe on a winning team he shows up. Bosa might re light his fire , but i will stick to what i told yolo. He plays soft for his Tarzan persona and Washington giving him away for that little tells me others see something about this guys desire. He will play w new passion trying to prove his worth early, but let’s see his availability and sustainability. Coming from a home grown buckeye fan. Btw, always like and respect your knowledge. Best wishes. .

So only those w your vision/unscientific OPINION, OBVIOUS BIAS , have valid viewpoints according to your logic. As an example , just listened to who i would consider more experienced and prob with more practical experience. Jim miller just said the hail mary by the bids should be used as a textbook examPle of avoiding rush and then thrOwing a perfectly catacable ball. This was seconded by rich Gannon , as bills laid on the field while a Ball hit the turf as not one bill touched it. Given the past two prior haik Mary successes against this regimen , it is inexcusable a flaw in coaching, learning, execution. Also we won 2 of our last games on the last play , lost the other and could easily be 3-5. Pat kiwis said to miller , “does it feel the bills are a sb contending team? I don’t , something is missing and you dont know which team will show up”. Also commented on Dorsey’s lack of adjusting. Miller agreed. So do they fit as whiners “fans” in your eyes , or perhaps experts can look objectively at what they have seen in real life. If you have to revert to calling others opinions names , not even willing to listen or be civil with some analysis , it says more about blind fandom , bias , and an arrogance that only your vision has validity. It’s a forum. There is adequate room for more than one view and i bet you thought / called all wins for the bills prior to losses to the powerhouse jags/jets/pats , but i dont want to put words in your mouth if you said those would be close games. How bout proving some objectivity and let’s see your prior analysis of those games ? Just because some think this bengals squad will be favored and very possibly a loss, doesn’t make them whiners; more like analytical adults. Flame me all you want. Been a bills fan since ‘63, went two sb 27/28, and my fan quality is beyond name calling, and i can be objective as no team has won every game. How many super bowls have we played in under mcd? Hmmmm, Facts are reality.

BEST , honest assessment I’ve seen on this board in two years. Bengals, esp burrow looked fantastic and noe burrow if fully healed ripping off several key runs. His passing was pinpoint again, with still some pressures from the 49ers line. They are getting right, playing very confidently now. The Bills are still finding an identity. People were so enthralled with the BUCS win ; yet we scored less than the terrible previous week ( and we just saw how the fins easily rolled that pretend team)and finished with a series of punts as mcd once again almost turned a win into a loss. People are in denial that we were a Hail Mary from a loss and that BALL HIT THE GOUND WITHOUT A BILL KNOCKING IT DOWN as they were sprawled on the ground “boxing out “ receivers yet GODWIN catches that if he gets his head around. NOT A VERY INSPIRING, confidence building victory. WE saw the bills being crushed before Hamlin’s collapse, then crushed quickly in the playoff game. So you have a peaking bengals o, going up against our arguably worst back 7 , esp with the cbs looking lost at times and the safeties aging unfortunately. I am not sure what is going on with our d line , but the last two games have not been inspiring regarding finishing plays w a sack , and we are not as talented RIGHt now as the 49er s d line. It is just shaping up as a mismatch and Vegas seems to agree. i just think certain teams/ coaches seem to outscheme , outcoach mcd and the bengals coach seems to fit in as one whose teams mentally seem too come in very confident against the BILLS. Mcd has, outside the fins game and playoff game against the pats, proven multiple times he is capable of having huge collapses and no lead is ever safe given his late game d philosophy. Throw in injuries to the d stars on every level , and I don’t see how the BILLS d will stop Cincy from easily dropping 30 against this d roster on their home field. Perhaps the bills can match them on O , but who has confidence any mcd defense will keep the bengals from scoring if they have the ball and need a score to win? We easily could have lost both the giants/bucs game and did lose to a horrible pats team. The bengals , with a fully healthy BURROWS at home, are no pats , as he just went 28/32. So , while i can always hope for a BILLS win, mcd needs to prove he is up to it and I’m sorry, but he rarely outperforms good coaches, with the bengals staff already advancing further than a mcd coached team has. Throw in missing Milano, Daquan, white, von not anywhere close to being someone needed to be game planned for , and at this point i expect a game similar to the playoffs with the bengals out quick and the BILLS trying to catch up. Maybe mcd will show up for once , but now he has too much influence on the bills players psyche , I don’t see them playing with the enthusiasm /energy /passion they used to have. Most stats for the bills have regressed in the second quarter of the season as a basis for this reasoning. Bills coming out with a win seems like a big task.

Fractures with ligament injury depending on fracture location, are very common occurrences. It is obviously the worst scenario as long as there was no vascular injury in addition. Had that been the case he would have been hospitalized immediately , and I don’t know, but he was most likely admitted given the need for fracture stabilization and need to assess risk of travel etc, but that doesn’t imply vascular, Limb threatening injury from the start. Will know more prognostically once we know type of fracture and mri results. It wii certainly complicate recovery if ligament tears /meniscal damage is present. It appeared to be a twisting injury on the lone, very brief view i saw and that raises the possibility of a twisting fibular fracture that could involve the knee commonly, and doesn’t mean there was a more extensive tibial / tibial plateau injury necessarily. When they said his entire lower leg was in an air cast, i immediately thought of the possibility of the smaller , fibular fracture being present because in cases of knee involvement alone , you don’t have to also air cast the ankle like you do with fibular fractures. But just speculating until formal reports are out. I think given the time frame , depending on joint involvement or ligament damage , the recovery could extend to delay him playing early next year , but if there is no vascular compromise , I don’t see why it would be career threatening. On the other hand , this is unlikely , but IF it’s solely a fracture with no ligament or meniscal damage, there could be a chance to return this year. Unlikely but not impossible. The real risk with these traumas tho is vascular injury and hopefully that didn’t occur. Certainly is in a great place for medical care, so t’s amd p’s sent to him and his wife ,Ashlyn, who is a really sweet person. Terrible loss for a really good guy by all accounts. Losing he and white in back to back weeks is approaching the emotional trauma surrounding Hamlins experience last year; just hard to believe.

Yep but BURROW IS BACK, and he looked great with chase today. On the other end of the spectrum, the Milano loss is season long ,and is devastating to lose such a playmaker at a position of relative inexperience. . He is the one guy with pro bowl skills that is virtually impossible to replace in season. Really depressing loss all around today. Will hear the next guy up cliche stuff,,,,but there is no next Milano waiting out there to just step in, unless mcd pulls out a sensational season of development. I wouldn’t put it out of the reach of mcd tho. If this o can somehow produce despite Dorsey, we could still stay in the majority of games. Just not sure that will happen after watching the o struggle almost the entire game today. Amazing to watch a player / offense develop in San Fran (Purdy) while seeing dorsey sink against a very mediocre jag team today. You are prob right about the chiefs , but I wouldn’t rule out the bengals after today, while we are looking at something akin to the madden curse in full effect. Hard to blame on LONDON tho as jags come out shining , 2-0 there after a poor start and look very healthy coming out. Was just a bunch of regular football injuries that occur yearly in the NFL regardless of location, but it sure has been a complete 180 since the high of a week ago.

Agree. This guy has great hands and under someone like Reid , would probably be flourishing. I was always a Frazier critic , always very unimpressed with the Edmunds project and feel very vindicated with both changes this year. Dorsey is the same to the offense as Frazier was in limiting the top end of the D, mark my words after seeing patterns now developing. Have to admit tho i think Kincaid is a little “ softer “ than i expected after hearing all the overly glowing reports from the reporters/ content creators covering the Bills. May need a year to adjust to the physicality of the nfl. Was disappointed to see him not fight thru a tackle early in the game on third down and was driven out a yard short resulting in another 3 and out as the game was beginning. If you cant drive thru or break that db tackle , then how bout being smart enough to run the route to be beyond the sticks to begin with? Many times they have run short , underneath routes with him and last week was his most successful converting those to first downs. Really looks to need some time to develop, but that was slightly unexpected after hearing all the post draft hype. I still cant help but feel tho that he is being hindered, under utilized by Dorsey , and after seeing Dorsey fall flat once again today, i am having an increasingly hard time seeing a vision of Dorsey leading this O to at one time be consistent and on the other hand believing he wont be out coached in a one loss and done playoff scenario. He has games where he cant adjust to adversity in game , only to look better the next week. Not sure that is a recipe to success in the hunt for a Lombardi, and he may hang on with the bills much like Frazier as I don’t see him being some sought after HC prospect while not advancing with a talent like Allen. All the homers will be coming for me on here as they can never handle an objective opinion, but let’s see who is right as time passes. I would be happy to be wrong , and want to be regarding this as it’s a win-win scenario,; just not impressed when these bad offensive output games keep occurring at random intervals as DORSEY has these unexplainable clunkers. It really has a feeling of deja vu to me like FRAZIER on the o side as i watch many examples of more creative play calling and schemes all across the league. Bills have poor timing in developing an unproven OC in the prime years of a SB chase with a true franchise Qb.

Hello from Jax. Rough game today and rougher being a bills fan down here. Just wanted to say hey as i miss Toledo. Spent great years there in med school and did my residency at ST V’s/ MERCY/TOLEDO /FLOWER hospitals. I am 66 now , had a great 40 plus year career thanks to the under rated and great hospitals in that area. Was a great city too with nice parks / nightlife as i was in my mid 20’s! These injuries are to game changing type guys. Not possible to just find the same caliber to plug and play. Like last year, this might be too much to overcome. The bengals looked bad until today as BURROWS looked good today. Doesn’t look like luck is on the bills side once again; maybe there is something to the madden curse given these last two weeks. Best wishes, enjoy the fall weather we just don’t get much of here in Jax fl!

I agree about the critical drops, where if the big salary guys finally make some plays above what are routine plays, plays you see other teams stars making at big times, ( watch the chiefs guys making plays for mahomes) this team could consistently control their own fate in games. We just don’t see that happen on any consistent basis. Also, after Dorsey/Allen combined for that bad JETS game , it looked like they were on their way only to revert back to many poor decisions. Despite all the success w josh under center , they went back to runs out of the shotgun and many times faced second downs with long yardage. Again, only 10 runs or so today after 3 games of over 20 attempts and it’s head scratching why they keep three good backs active yet couldn’t effectively use them today. Dorseys play calling was uninspired, and i cant give JOSH a full pass when he at times seems situationally unaware where he refused to just run for what looked like easy to get 1st downs and threw risky passes again. Long gains/ times getting in jags territory were negated and ended up with no points. Dorsey /Allen failed to adjust early enough to the jags taking away their short passing game, or change tempo until it was desperate and was a huge hole. By then , the d was breaking down under the pressure, giving up time consuming possessions as the injuries kept mounting. Watching the adjustment to going more vertical only after being two scores down , coupled with the drops you pointed out , and it was too little , too late once again. Dorsey / Allen seem to get out coached at times and Peterson/ Saleh both got the better of Dorsey predominantly. It feels like two very unnecessary losses, especially todays , when we have evidence like last week that they are capable of much better. Frustrating! Just from being down here in Jax, the jags were looking at this as a big measuring stick for them as the season progresses. They were really primed to compete today , and it was apparent early that the BILLS did not match them in intensity until later in the game. This staff drops the ball at times and this was another example of mentally being out competed. Too many very poor penalties that sustained drives for the jags AFTER WE HAD STOPPED THEM. I think it’s fair to expect better than that from a very mature squad . Diggs CONSISTENTLY shows up; cant say that for many other offensive players from an intensity perspective other than Josh. The mcd/beane team is really facing a battle now given all these injuries. The season may be much more of a climb given the possible critical losses; i mean who is the one guy everybody would agree losing is a huge blow, MILANO. MCD seemed very intense and was trying to get them to “play with more energy” , expects quality and is willing to bench guys not producing. I don’t think Frazier did that enough , and i am still not sure with Dorsey even with his outbursts in the booth. Maybe that’s why critical drops just keep appearing; something just doesn’t translate / transfer at times. Just a thought as i am watching a KC team where their playmakers support mahomes more CONSISTENTLY than the corresponding guys support ALLEN. Not seeing KC GUYS dropping the ball like we see at times with the BILLS.

True,He was poor , but run d has continued to be an issue all year. D failed to take anything away consistently today, being terrible in 3rd downs. . D has been giving up 6 yards plus a carry. That and the many missed tackles sealed the game with the long rushing TD. D played perfectly last week. This week unfortunately with all the injuries, things compounded. Bills will be vulnerable to teams who can run effectively in addition to their passing attack ,especially with the small lb corp. Today with the terrible breakdowns in coverage missing the two starting db’s, and all world lb Milano being out, and the o choosing not to show up for 3 quarters resulted in losing to a team who had struggled. This is why despite coming off 3 wins, many still expected the jags to pull the upset. This is a very very good staff, but every year they do something that seems inexplicable, and they manage once again to lose to a jags team that beat them 2 years ago in a similar way, and you would think they wouldn’t keep repeating the same ugly mistakes. Quite a different coaching job, production than what we saw last week The o needed to score more than 7 before the 4th quarter; hard to understand NO sense of urgency until it was really too much to overcome. This is still an issue with Dorsey ; has a game where o is not producing and he does nothing to change the pace / playcalling until its desperation time. Hope he learns at some point ,because this inconsistency will hurt them down the road in the playoff hunt for home field games. At times Allen seems to lose situational awareness where he reverts to making risky throws over choosing to run for what looks like obtainable 1st downs, or at the least getting the team in FG range. Those decisions add up over a game and there are too many examples with this staff when big plays still end up in failed drives with no points at all. IMHO, It’s really frustrating to watch such A talented team at times keep hurting themselves, but it’s become a recurrent theme over several years and seems even more apparent under DORSEY’s offensive guidance. It’s frustrating to watch them go 3 quarters or have long lulls in scoring followed by periods of scoring at will ONLY AFTER they have created desperate situations for themselves. It felt like they had overcome that after all the games following the JETS, and then they throw this type of game out there and it becomes evident why national media types are reluctant to believe the BILLS will ever SUSTAIN success over an entire season. Sadly, the injuries today may have really added another large obstacle to their chances at that SB that looked so possible last week.

Was a season ticket holder for ten years , starting 2 years before the team played as you had to make that commitment to even get tickets. I had 2 club seats , 8 rows behind the visitors bench on the 32 yard line. I eventually quit buying because i had always been a BILLS fan and they rarely came to Jax early on. i just preferred watching them live versus tape delays after going to jags games. One of the other main reasons i gave the tix up was the “nice” weather. Those games are predominantly at 1pm. Only half the stadium gets shade later in the afternoon. It was actually miserable sitting and baking in that sun , where temps radiating off the field often got into the high 90’s/ low 100’s. Many times i had to go sit in the Ac cooled clubs to escape sun burns and heat exhaustion symptoms. But I didn’t want to pay huge bucks to drive downtown and watch the games on tv in the clubs; just seemed ridiculous after awhile. Just this week public health officials and several docs made statements to the NFL to advise moving the games to 4 pm starts to avoid the heat illness situation, which if you watched the MIAMI game last year , is an example of playing games in FLORIDA at this late summer time. I believe many fans stay out of the seats as they stay inside the club, multiple bar areas, the pool in the stadium etc. it is just not a regularly enjoyable situation, especially with the extreme raise in ticket prices over the years. I know for 2 club seats in the 90’s i was paying 8k$ just for the tics , not including parking , food, etc or so a year and prices have gone way up since then. Most of JAX is blue collar oriented , with the beaches areas of PONTE VEDRA, Jax beach, Neptune beach, Atlantic beach being more affluent ( esp ponte vedra where the pga /sawgrass and the WTA have their world headquarters. If you drive along the beach in ponte vedra , knowing the area well as i have lived in the town since 1985 after finishing my residency in TOLEDO Ohio , and live about a mile from the beach) , it is literally filled with huge mansions that make you wonder how anyone accrues that kind of wealth! But the majority of Jax and surrounding communities are small areas of Jax/ northern fl , and most are like good ol boy southern redneck type areas. Great people , family oriented, but not a great area of wealth). So officials are becoming aware something has to change or those seats will periodically look like that pic as people cant sit and bake for 3-4 hours while many are consuming alcohol etc. This is a real thing! I don’t care how good the team is ( and arguably under this owner the product has been terrible on the field.,, hey just 2 years ago he brought in URBAN from Ohio state fame , with no nfl experience and we all saw that debacle. This owner is more interested in London, and his global presence than Jax. This is a toy , means to an end for him than any main interest in a NFL product, as i think he is more concerned with soccer. WAYNE weaver was a much better owner for this community imo). No one, not even the NFL, had the foresight to understand the impact of the sun pounding on people for a full NFL game. Seems crazy, but it’s honestly a real compounding issue with the games. I am just trying to paint a real picture , having lived the season ticket holder life, lived in fl after being raised in Ohio , the NICE weather gets old and miserable very quickly if you sit in a stadium during 4 hours of the most intense heat of the day , while paying thousands of $ to watch a product from an owner who has historically fielded an inferior product ( plus people here grew up as gator / bulldog fans who fill that stadium for that annual cocktail party , so people were accustomed to quality, winning college football here long before the NFL arrived ). The NFL values him tho for his international ties; see the JAGS in LONDON the next 2 weeks. The NFL presence has been good for Jax business; its had a Super Bowl which brought great parties /‘entertainment to the area and there are better hospitals now like MAYO, MD ANDERSON, etc that prob wouldn’t have come to Jax had the NFL not been here. I will say SUNDAY / MONDAY night football jags games are amazing as the stadium is filled and electric, and it’s such a different experience without the oppressive heat. One of my happiest memories was being able to take my father, before he passed away with non Hodgkins lymphoma, ( he grew up poor yet became an engineer for a coal company after having started working at the company store!) to a MNF game against the STEELERS (our home in Ohio was 30 min from Pittsburgh), and there were several chicks in bikini’s sitting around us after having been partying all day to be game ready! Great night, one of the best NFL games i have attended. If more games were night games, this stadium would be filled. The night time games are really fun, but even with an improving team , if they don’t change starting times, those stands will intermittently be empty. It’s great for a single game/ vacation etc, but living in this sun / weather all the time drives you to eventually avoid it / take it for granted etc. Plus, when its still hot like this , the area is filled with water activities , boating , the beaches etc so football games will always be just one more thing, just like VEGAS games will have lots of out of town people as its just one more form of entertainment So it’s not “sad”, its just football is not the only driving thing in this community. It just is what it is, and the NFL is partly responsible demanding 1pm starts, and with the crazy prices it is becoming more of a luxury to attend and at that price point, there is a lot of competition in Florida communities. I have lived in the snow and cold and you can mitigate the cold. You can only “un-layer” so much given the heat and even then , spf creams wear off with sweating ! Wouldn’t surprise me to someday see a season ticket holder sue the NFL for melanoma after their only intense sun exposure was years of being a season ticket holder! You know it’s coming!