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Seeing Gabe’s interview on YouTube today about Josh “coaching “ from the sideline is another warning sign i think is falling into place ( beside the fact there has been NO REPORTED definitive diagnosis ever released and Josh reportedly had “more testing “ which to me is dr / team speak for getting a SECOND opinion as this injury is easily visualized by mri / ultrasound , clinical signs are easily tested, and results were most likely back Monday afternoon for an NFL TEAM) that I would say IMO warns Josh is out this week. Davis when questioned mentioned Josh being slightly down or frustrated ( paraphrasing) , but still out on the practice field coaching and helping the team and Case be ready. Gabe repeatedly dropped the mantra next man up “ that’s the game of football”, how we trust Case, how Josh “ wants to be healthy” and he’s a competitor helping us with things he knows as we try retaining that info as we get ready. Not ground breaking but just seemed less guarded about Josh being “ down” , coaching , etc, which coupled with one more dnp is one more objective observation you don’t get from Mcd officially in a presser. Tasker / brown mentioned today how the 4 th quarter is the Bills lowest scoring quarter , scoring on 36 points ( 16% of their total ) , while the 4 th quarter fo the vikes is their best scoring 36% of their points ( almost 2x the bills with 70 points) ! That’s a pretty alarming trend , tho some of that may be the Bills having some games in hand by then and taking their foot off the gas pedal. Still, may be a sign teams adjust better in game relative to Dorsey and the O. It also suggests if we are trailing going into the 4 th , we are in trouble perhaps more so than prior seasons. Vikes have won 6 one score games coming in so it suggests we need to be efficient early, not drop into the same slumps we saw last year in the 3 rd quarter now showing up later , and that a lead is not safe against this Vikings team until the games over. Mcd needs to perhaps throw out the analytics so much , and take points ( fgs) early if we have too as we can’t leave early points out there like prior weeks. This team is not the same early Bills team that could score at will. With Josh likely out , receivers dropping balls or not getting open , the O line missing aggressive play of Brown , the D being hurt with Groot , two all pro safeties out ( Johnson being less than avg or even bad) , LBs perhaps not100%, and having rookie cbs out there while another pro bowl player seems delaying playing , is a recipe for struggle this week. Just have to hope we get some breaks until we get healthy as we have zero turnover margin, and let’s hope Dorsey is more creative in the 4 th quarter and red zone this week. Would be tough seeing the Fins leading the division and the Chiefs back on track as a #1 seed. That first half seems critical Sunday!

Great points. I was fortunate enough to be involved in work comp as a medical director for clinics dealing with.injured workers. Literature shows the longer an injured worker is away from the work environment, the chances of them successfully returning continues to decrease. I don’t remember the exact study , but I do remember reading that being out past 6 months , there is a very large decrease in patients / workers retuning to work with a majority never returning. The reason , excluding physical disability , is the loss of confidence and anxiety in returning despite medical clearance to do so. Truthfully , I had to fight the battle with companies wanting assurances that workers would NEVER be taken out of work unless they were hospitalized and also deal with the higher up Drs and their corporate bosses also pressuring / monitoring Drs records regarding giving days off for injured/ I’ll workers. It’s pretty disgusting and disparaging to see how business interests were always placed above the interests of patients who the work comp laws are in place to protect. So in a huge business like the NFL , you can imagine the pressure to get players back out on the field. This may finally be coming thru with mcds subtle/ not so subtle presser that you quoted. I Would feel pretty confident in believing Tre is facing that anxiety that is well documented when being away from his occupation this long. It’s another obstacle to overcome as all the evidence we know points he is completely medically cleared. He has financial security locked up so that incentive to get quickly back to work is missing. Starr never seemed to get his drive for football back after his Covid year off. Tre may be dealing with the understandable fear of reinjury, and anxiety if he can actually play at his same high level. It’s also not impossible after being at home with his family so much he might even be questioning his desire to keep playing ; that’s certainly not impossible. I think once he gets past the hurdle of that first game , his anxiety will ease and hopefully he will get back his desire and joy he had that made him Tre to begin with. It sure seems like the team is seeing no reason he can’t be out there and they have been patient historically. He just needs that last step of actually playing , hopefully we don’t see what happened to Starr. Wishing Tre the best for him.

Watch the bills show on YouTube with Chris brown & tasker. They have Michael Robinson on Monday’s; prior Seattle db now devoted Bills fan and mafia member. Watch Mondays episode with him. He said exactly what you mentioned. This locker room needs leaders and has to be ready to face ge stress of being HUNTED each week and the players have to Expect and meet that intensity. They didn’t do that this week. Sims , on his show, said the Bills took their foot off the gas pedal. John’s Fina , on his off tackle live show on mondays , also said this ream ( and really the o line ) lacked intensity , physicality , and the line needs guys who WILL get physical. Without Brown, no one is stepping forward to do that. I wanted to let you know those players are validating your point and they have the locker room experience that the social , keyboard warriors on here who attack anyone who dares be critical of the Bills have never had. I trust three actual players who ALL notices the intensity and physicality lacking. Usually leaders deal with that , get in t(e players faces or whatever to get the message across this play level isn’t acceptable! They , nor I believe that’s the sole reason , but to deny the obvious issue that was evident during both the Green Bay and even more in the Jets game is just being in denial. Recommend those shows , especially Finas as he hits those issues and was a bills tackle for 10 years. All the injuries have hurt physically but also from a leadership standpoint. Milanos absence was obvious and White should also help as he returns. They need to step up now or they could easily get picked off by the Vikes, esp should Allen be out. Best wishes, go Bills

Some of this lies with Dorsey as well. Offense is looking somewhat stagnant / predictable. Need to emphasize our strengths, must develop some running game by committing to it ( 8 carries, 24 yards won’t cut it) , need production from the slot ( shakir , Hines need production going forward ) , how bout more screens and quick slants to save Josh , consider moving the pocket, have to get Knox involved ( maybe look at KC’s film and use of Kelsey ). Davis has been a let down regarding consistency tho , perhaps Beane could have parted with a higher pick to augment our wr before the trade deadline. But I think dorsey is also experiencing growing pains.

All comes down to Wednesday and the mri / diagnosis related to Josh’s elbow. If that result is not good, the OP coukd be right about things feeling, and being different. That one strip sack , for the moment, might really change the season. Hoping for the best , but Mcd delaying until Wednesday is pretty concerning as it suggests they are seeking more or a second opinion. That didn’t work out well for Hyde concerning this year. Will be a little nervous Wednesday, but not feeling great about this turn of events.

Feel bad for Frank. Rough hand dealt with those Qbs. Man , has anyone aged more than Frank other than the president ? Job has taken a toll on him. Seems like time to go enjoy family and his salary etc. I will never forget the comeback , resulted in a trip to Pasadena and first super bowl I was lucky to attend (52-17 and watching Frank play most of that game tho took some of the luster off!), and hope that comeback record always stands. Best wishes,, thanks for the great memories.

Sure looks like it’s leaning this way. They are prob getting opinions on which way to go as more “ tests” seems unlikely. Mri should be definitive by now so it’s a matter of which path to go depending on the diagnosis which is what I think mcds cryptic talk means. I would be pleasantly shocked if Allen somehow played this week, but I don’t expect that and I’m more concerned he will be out for a few weeks If our record tumbles, he might be done depending on the standings and how many we lose if he’s out. A decision on surgery , if that’s still on the table to Josh as an option , of course ends the season and would prob happen asap ( once acute swelling is resolving) so it gives him his best shot to be fully recovered for next year. Should have the definitive decision on Wednesday. Man , what a gut shot that could be , esp for us older fans with limited shots left! 😊

Of course we would pack it in if we don’t make the playoffs , season would be over , right! Lol! Just joking. I know what you meant. Beane did the best he could. Had holes to fill in the draft. Brought in two starters from the #1 seed from last year. Brown has been a medical disappointment unfortunately. Our OC is showing signs of needing experience and to adapt. Our receiving corp tho has been unreliable other than all world Diggs. That is a surprise , but Hines may help. Mckenzie, Davis, Knox have all been very inconsistent. Shakil needs more snaps as well. People keep harping about Beckum, but by the time he is ready it’s possible the damage is already done. Having two. Burners like Miami sure seems like the way to go , but it’s not easy to find that type of talent. Even tho the jets beat us , I think Miami is the biggest threat as that team can score with anyone. Hope for the best , ( tho I admit that Mcd not revealing any more about the mri of Josh’s elbow is concerning as the “ getting more tests “ thing makes me worry they are really already getting a second opinion regarding the need for surgery vs rest and I had hoped surgery was already off the table. Now I’m not so sure given Mcds presser ).

Can’t afford the best at every position. This is a quality , super bowl talent filled roster ( quote from ex player Michael Robinson). It’s no longer about talent. It’s coaching including the coordinators. We have the weapons and soon we will face cap limitations. You don’t throw years away or write one off unless you have no choice. Hey , even if we barely get in , if Josh is healthy then , that’s all that matters. Cincy is proof what a hit team can do as they got there last year. I agree if Josh needs surgery , our chances really take a hit. But you don’t write it off if Josh is 75% and can still run well. No future years are promised so I would let him play if he’s not in a cast ; pretty doubtful he could jeapordize his future completely playing when not 100%. No season will be perfect with weapons and protection That’s like telling your GF we need to hold off on that engagement ring until I have the perfect job and salary ; chances are your chances with her will rapidly approach the same odds of the Lions winning the Lombardi!😀

Love Michael Robinson on the Bills show with Tasker and Brownie. Recommend watching todays show. Mike was commenting/ critical about ; our turnovers , we rank 3 rd in the nfl. Can’t continue and be successful. ( 15 t/ o in 8 games). Our identity as a throwing offense is responsible for more turnovers). Still , Josh knows he can’t throw these ints. tackling is bad , we had a bad day , players don’t get enough practice time now Dion Dawkins had a bad day , obvious jets picked on him. Jets really went after him in pass pro and Dawkins had a really bad day. He would admit that. shakir ( only had 15 snaps).slot needs more production and he needs more snaps. guys in locker room need to understand they are “the hunted” now and they need to know they will face more intensity than prior seasons. Need to accept that mindset and step up to it weekly. Guys in the locker room need to get used to this type of stress. thought the colts hiring Saturday was a joke , like Saturday night live, and it’s obvious they don’t plan on winning any more games this year! ( pretty funny) we are a passing team but we have to develop a legit running threat for situational football. Singletary needs more than 24 yards. We need to run more effectively. milanos absence on d was really evident. Obvious he needs to get and stay healthy. should have gotten more from gabe davis. He did drop that last pass right in his chest and we need more from him. Gabe admitted he dropped that pass. Mike said that last pass was the BEST PASS OF THE YEAR ! ( hearing that makes me feel worse niw that we lost and we shouldn’t have) Diggs is Josh’s current safety blanket and makes himself available to Josh. Great chemistry. leaders , all pros , are hurt. Hyde, white, Milano , poyer, were all gone. These are THE guys! Need a conscious effort on tackling during the week and game. All great teams have one of these days. It’s going to happen. We are missing all pro players. it’s vital we recover , turn the page , but it’s vital the playoffs come thru high mark. Great guy with good analysis and credibility as a prior good player. Check it out on YouTube if you get a chance!

Yeah this is a little confusing. He must be close or they wouldn’t have gone ahead and activated him. I have to wonder how much the mental aspect is coming into play , for example , are they relying on Tre telling them he is completely ready ! Perhaps the Drs have cleared him but there is a thing in work comp injuries. Once an injured worker is away from working over 6 months , the likelihood of them returning to work is greatly reduced as people can emotionally lose their confidence and can’t overcome that. So in work comp they always try to push for earlier return to work. I can only imagine after tres injury the mental aspect is probably the hardest thing to overcome. I really empathize with him and hope he feels emotionally as well as physically ready when he does return to playing. After sitting out and putting in all this time to rehab, it must be hard to finally pull the trigger and face reality about being back to your prior level of excellence.

Yeah , I agree , he is a good poker player but seemed like some emotion was actually coming out. Not sure we really have any answer yet when it seemed at least surgery was out. Now , not so sure. He did explain not reviewing Edmunds possible interception. The refs decided it quickly and they had no time as things were moving already. Seems he had no time to think and didn’t chance it. Pretty reasonable as it seems refs had already reviewed and moved on is what I heard ? ! 😊

Yep still evaluating. Sean pretty sober looking. Wont say more till wed. One day at a time ! No more from Sean. Same cliches. Groot with high ankle sprain is bad news with vikes coming in. On YouTube now under BuffaloBills. Sean pissed about sloppy play and turnovers. BTW.

Erik is correct here. It WAS POSSIBLE he could have needed season ending surgery. Erik states tho he had no inside info. Raps report I think means the initial MRI was neg for injury requiring surgery. No need to “ qwell” rumors; that does nothing practical as rumors mean nothing to the Bills. I am thinking Josh is having some type of symptom like numbness or some hand or finger weakness and that would require other possible testing in addition to an mri POSSIBLY I don’t think Raps is posting that if the Bills know Josh has a season ending , surgery requiring injury. That hurts everyone’s credibility. Just my opinion. 😊. I do think he might need further testing. Presser will reveal all. Hope for the best ( tho not needing surgery is actually the best other than a win with no injury and an o line that can pass protect! )

Adrenalin could mask pain , not a complete tear. He could have a partial injury , play thru it for a throw or two , then later swelling and inflammation increase and the true extent of the injury becomes more apparent. Also with our circadian rhythm production of cortisol from the Adrenal glands , cortisol ( an anti inflammatory steroid hormone) production decreases at night. That’s why fevers , aches and pains always seem to worsen at night, so an injury with swelling can become more symptomatic overnight. So , yes , the symptoms can worsen but the injury damage doesn’t increase unless someone keeps using the injured limb , like walking on a fractured toe instead of a boot for example. You could cause a non displaced fracture to move and displace in that case.

Just saw this on macafee show. Could be a triceps strain , and this might mean the ulnar collateral ligament is intact. That’s great news but still concerning he is “ undergoing” more tests. Not sure what else would add much after an mri , unless he is having symptoms like grip weakness or numbness. Then nerve conduction testing might add more to diagnosis / prognosis concerning possible injury to the ulnar nerve that was at least temporarily affected with the strip sack. Nerves can be bruised or stretched to a point of not conducting an electrical impulse well. That can heal over time just like a bruise , but obviously everyone heals at different rates. But it seems like at least season ending surgery is probably off the table ! It may come down to his ability to grip the ball or tolerate pain while throwing. Seems like mostly great news; this week may still be up in the air tho and the Vikes are coming in hot and confident. Best wishes Josh for a speedy complete recovery ! ( selfishly this week please! Lol !).

Wow, pretty worrisome. Those guys are not prone to hyperbole in my experience watching them the past couple of years. The main concern is the ulnar collateral ligament of the elbow and when he got hit , strip sacked , he was in full throwing motion. Resistance against that force can either partially or completely tear that ligament and the ulnar nerve running under the ligament was obviously irritated or involved as you can see Josh rubbing the outside of his hand that’s supplied by that nerve. If all those cover 1 guys are saying they “. Feel sick “ about this , it sure worries me that the ligament might have torn requiring surgery which is season ending. Bills are pretty tight lipped and most content producers medical info I have seen have not really added anymore than what info I could see see from watching the game myself. The cover 1 guys so far have quite a bit of integrity , but it is hard to fathom that Josh’s mri results got out. I hope if they did find out something it’s not a complete tear. Honestly tho, I posted before I was worried hearing Josh say in post game presser he was still having pain but would work thru it and be ok. He is so tough , and at that point he was still under some game induced adrenaline , and I was just thinking out loud how often I have seen injuries stiffen up and worsen over the following 24-48 hours as inflammation sets in and more swelling can develop. He may have gotten worse over night in terms of symptoms and swelling. I really , really hope it’s not a complete tear. No way to know tho without those mri results. Losing Josh for any period given the way the team played the past few quarters is potentially season threatening. Vikes are confident ( their new tight end from Lions caught 9/9 targets yesterday according to the QB on macafee’s show. Why couldn’t we use Hines more is a dorsey issue perhaps. ), and all if the AFC East is much better than expected. If we get news Josh is seeking another opinion etc, the worry meter goes up concerning a complete tear. Hoping for the best till the mri results are known , but there is valid reason to be concerned. I also saw some communication from a usually reliable source yesterday saying news about poyer is also not good and it’s possible he is done fir the season. That pop he felt and heard was possibly a distal biceps tendon rupture and while non athletes can recover without surgery ( but have limited strength later etc) , most athletes would need surgery to regain full function. Will see, but these next couple of days could really be deflating if both Josh and Poyer require surgery. Poyer is at the moment more likely to be out. Hoping for the best but concern is pretty warranted.

More platitudes! When will he have Frazier actually get out of the nickel and generate consistent pressure? For all the hype about this d line, look how many sacks the Dallas d has in comparison! Mcd is great for this franchise as he has great chemistry w Beane.and should have a long tenure I hope. My issue is he waits until after unnecessary losses before he addresses the coordinators, even after warning issues arose during the G B game. The offensive game plan was predictable again in many ways, with McD saying it was one dimensional! Dorsey néeds to step it up. For example, the fins / 49 ers used their new rbs right away yet we use Hines almost only on special teams and just one play in the offense for a veteran? That’s unimaginative game planning imo. Being 0-2 in the division is a step back and this is fairly concerning given this is a veteran club in its Super bowl window. Something is just not clicking at times , as even Von kept stating he didn’t play all that well. It is concerning to hear von and Daquan ( sp) both say the jets ran similar run plays that Green Bay ran and they expected that and still couldn’t stop them. That does seem like a coaching / coordinator,issue or perhaps the players just take some teams lightly despite the coaches efforts ? ! Losing divisional games when that’s step one to the playoffs is a thing you would hope gets seriously addressed as the margin for more losses is disappearing if we want an edge in the playoffs with home field as was preached all off season. Dorsey’s inexperience may becoming more apparent compared to Dabolls years as this O now has looked lost the past two games when they were challenged after half time. Hey , are we headed back to having to be concerned when in a tight game ? I hope not. We didn’t look good today at any point in the second half and it was almost predictable to see that 90 yard plus long drive before it happened resulting in the game winning FG. It’s the little things often with this team , missing a fg, kicking it oob, penalties at the worst time in a game where the refs were letting them play for the most part, giving up 5 sacks and one at the end easily could have resulted in a Josh injury. It just seems like this team commits quite a few mental errors and they can’t expect to do that and be successful come playoff time. Just hoped we had learned from last year, but this remains to be seen. ( Another example , not wanting to be too critical of Bass , yet even tasker said missing that fg before half was a costly error and just another time we are allowing teams to stay in the game.) Can’t miss those and we have had a few shaky moments in the kicking game this year. I wonder if the late change of punter / holder is the issue ? Seems hard to feel as confident with Bass this year as in the past. We continue leaving points out there at times that I hope doesn’t become a trend and play a role in future game ! I hope Mcd doesn’t keep experiencing losses against teams with less talent or our shot at the Lombardi may be even more difficult than expected given our expectations with our talented roster. Josh stating he will work thru “.mild “:elbow pain is an additional worry over the next 24-48 hours. He hopefully avoided injury to the ulnar collateral ligament in his elbow. He is still under the effect of adrenaline during the post game period and it’s possible this could stiffen or the pain could worsen overnight as cortisol levels drop overnight ( that’s why fevers , aches and pains often worsen during the night before cortisol rises in the am as we wake up ) Hope he is truly ok. We have enough injuries, certainly missing Po and Milano really was evident today; losing Josh for any period we all know would be a disaster. Well, let’s hope Mcd actually gets this team back on track for next week and fixes the run d issues that teams will continue to exploit otherwise. Vikes with Cook will be a big challenge , especially if Josh continues his unusual subpar play; we aren’t good enough to keep losing possessions with ints!

I do think Johnson has played below avg with poor tackling , bad Angles of support , and I’m not sure he is more than a backup. But get prepared as I keep hearing from guys who have posted credibly in the past , that Poyer may be done (also I posted before that his “ pop” may be a biceps tear that requires surgery ending his year , but time will tell. This coupled with Josh grabbing his elbow , which the sports injury channel did mention as a worry for ulnar collateral ligament damage vs triceps strain watching Josh short hop a throw and grab his hand because the ulnar nerve travels under that ligament and supplies the outer hand. This could be an additional season threatening comcern. He did have one good deep throw after that so finger crossed! ), so not sure how we manage sitting Johnson as Marlowe subbed for Hyde before. I do really agree with your frustration about Frazier rarely coming out of his nickel or rarely sending pressure , even against a very inexperienced Qb in Wilson. Yes we held them to a fg , but YES THEY WON BY THAT FG! I think the d line was getting owned today with the run game and Edmunds keeps getting asked to cover guys with his back to the Los many times , but it’s a fair point Dodson seems better against the run. I just hate thinking Edmunds is rarely used to rush by Frazier and he seems good when asked to rush; he might be lost to Cap issues and some team may use him properly and he could turn out to really blossom for another team making it harder to take.after years of watch him not reach his expected potential. Would have been interesting to see Dodson as a third Lb out there on that 90 plus yard fg drive Frazier watched the Jets pound down their throats , and see if Frazier could have forced Wilson to make some plays. Neither coordinator adjusted well today and it’s another one of those losses that really should never happen. . It’s one thing to lose to a mature team like KC , but losing to rebuilding teams ( Miami with a rookie coach , Jets plugging in rookies and a 2 nd year coach ) is inexcuseable and it does make you question if the Bills can finally ever remain consistent. You expect a little more when the staff has been together so long now.

I think you’re right. They would have just said not enough to clearly overturn the call on the field. I also think Mcd realized it was a close game and he cherishes his timeouts for use late. Hard to argue as it was important that he had all 3 TO’s to use to allow us to hold them them to a Fg at the end with about 1:43 left. So , while I agree Edmunds looked like he had it , I really doubt the refs reverse that call. In the end we had enough time to drive to tie it or even win so Mcds strategy is hard to argue with. Too bad the whole second half, like the prior week, players were not executing well on O or D! I mean we did blow a 14-3 lead ( should.at worst have been 17 -10 at halftime ), gave up a 96 yard drive ending in a go ahead fg as they ran over us and burned the clock. Our O had no rhythm and our coordinators look like they are not adjusting as well now as teams now know our tendencies better at this point in the season. That said , as I watch the KC game , your playmakers and QB have to make plays and ours failed in the last two second halves. Look at KC’s d pressure the Titan qb and walk away with a win , while our D rarely pressured Wilson in the deciding half. Another test coming next week, ; big challenge to see if we can turn the sloppy play around.and see if Josh can avoid the uncharacteristic bad turnovers ! This o has hit a stagnant phase at mid season and I hope Dorsey has some solutions. 😊

More entertaining than that second half! Bills have to step it up to get to this level of being professional! Why can’t we ever get this for the super bowl extended half time show!? 😊👍

I feel for you. With the rising cost of tickets it’s not wrong to expect decent human behavior around you. People arguing that it’s ok to see someone passed out and incontinent are just beyond wasting time sharing your opinion with or thinking you might have a rational discussion with. If you’re an adult , that type of idiocy is not even “ funny”. I had club seats for years with the Jags ( even tho I was always a diehard Bills fan , just wanted to support the NFL in Jax) but after years of guys fighting , being arrested next to me , listening to them yell F. You to the visiting team the entire game ( seats were 8 rows behind visitors bench ) , it just lost its appeal and entertainment value for the $! . To those who argue I should have just consumed more alcohol and be like them just for a football game , you are beyond reasoning with. Some people have occupations that can be lost for acting that way in public, so should those people be forced to tolerate or expose their families to seeing that if they want to see a game , or is your argument games are for adults only ? Tell that to Josh! The prime time night games were definitely worse cuz the guys around me were not definitely not working the next day ( prob had to make bail!) Lol ! Just wanted to say you’re not alone, some people do go wanting to enjoy the game experience! Go Bills!

I agree with you , that video of him hearing or feeling a “”pop” is concerning. Plus I saw it reported on YouTube that someone had seen swelling around the elbow and this other reporter said he also had swelling around his hand. The elbow has a capsule around the moving ; articulating parts , Posterior swelling is not uncommon ( bursitis can cause that) , but swelling in the area where the elbow bends is worrisome as it can signify blood collecting there from acute / recent trauma. So the reports that people saw swelling is concerning. Hearing or feeling a pop is usually associated with ligament ( like ACL) or tendon tears( like your biceps tendon ). The main tendon that might “pop” in that area under force ( like trying to tackle someone , your biceps is contracting while they are applying force in the opposite direction moving away from you ) is the distal biceps tendon and it’s not uncommon for it to rupture. X-rays would be most likely negative ( tho you can see some indirect shadows from bleeding called a fat pad sign ) , so an MRI is needed for diagnosis. If that “pop “ turns out to be the distal ( furthest from the trunk) biceps tendon rupturing , it usually requires surgery ( most of the time ; some people chose against it but they can have problems with weakness , range of movement etc and need therapy to regain function) with rehab to get full strength back. I’m not an orthopedist , but I would think most athletes would go the surgery route. So Poyer mentioning the pop and others reporting swelling is definitely concerning. You never know until you see the imaging so I hope it’s something else that won’t require surgery as I am a fan who appreciates his story and he is such a great player IMO. It would be sad if both he and Hyde , the 2 pieces Mcd started building around , both miss what looks like our best shot at the Lombardi, and could even hurt our chances getting there.to begin with. Hope for the best , sure miss seeing them out there. Poyer may end up on IR , clearing the way for Tre to be on the roster , but I bet Beane is looking for a safety tomorrow. 😣

You make a valid and important point. It’s happened once so it could happen again. Motor is adequate, above average , but look at backs or teams who can covert short yardage or in the red zone. We could use a hall or walker type back who can get yardage o. Their own ( like Josh ) , and motor has proven he is not strong against heavy boxes. It’s our only obvious weakness and if we have hoe field in Jan / feb , it’s reasonable to expect passing might be a challenge. Plus , if we do have a lead , milking the clock is hard to do passing the ball. I don’t think it’s the line play , watching other games some teams have backs with a knack for shir yardage gains against stacked boxes or they have that gear to take it to the house. Maybe Cook can be the guy. I hope so , but your point is valid and on the edge of a SB run , zi hope we have done all we can do and our run game isn’t our Achilles heel.

Yeah I saw that cocky sob say that. It’s a slap in the face to the Bills and what they have accomplished and their level of play. Go ahead and believe in your delusional Philosophy and “changed state of mind “ from doing a drug (. “ oh it’s not a drug because it’s a plant and from the earth” paraphrasing this arrogant pos as the concept escapes him that anything you place in your body is technically defined as a drug, and this has psychoactive properties so that’s about as definitive a definition of a drug as you will come across ; these enlightened celebrities almost always lack the formal education regarding their pop culture claims ). Yep , it’s a great thing to come into Buffalo on a losing streak playing some of the worst football of your career, and it’s just what your coach and gm had planned fo the first third of the season. Laughable how guys with this level of self absorption can never just admit something so common as I am playing badly now and need to improve ( missed throws and wide open receivers ) and we are facing a huge challenge next week. Nope , this is what we need as we face the best offense and defense in the NFL currently. Its that attitude of I know better than any of you regular people and at 3-4 , this game is no big deal and we are right where we want to be for our playoff run. He just can’t stand to ever admit he is not currently the best qb in the NFL right now and he is a big part of why they are losing. He is the type of guy who is never wrong and always has to have the last say as he holds up some vague book and belittles anyone who has never read it. He is insufferable on the Pat Macafee show ( have to skip his part of the show ) and Pat never actually challenges him. Perfect week to do so,if Pat has any balls,to inquire about his current poor play, but he is too afraid to offend Rodgers with even a legit topic. I hope we run the score up on this clown and Josh gets scoreboard finally since “ the match”. Lol! 😀