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Truly a good move. That “ avatar”. insults everyone , always is a name caller on game days in the shoutbox degrading , belittling others and is an example of how this great forum has changed. Nothing is ever done about the attacks., so passively it’s enabled. You are spot on and not alone, having been the victim of attacks because I had my own analysis , Heaven forbid. Bit my tongue, but no good info ever followed , just histrionics and name calling ! There are many good people to follow, yet some toxic ones who are still allowed to thrive on here. I’ll prob get nailed just for supporting you , but wanted to assure you , keep the faith and you are in good company. 🍸😉😉👍Besr wishes , go Bills , enjoy the draft ! Should be interesting. I would be great with cb, rb ( hey control them for 5 years plus two tags and it’s great value and move on as they age! , ) or best wr. What are your thought? I listened to Beane with brown / tasker today , between the lines it seems he is like to trade down more than move up and they are not likely to take any guys with Med issues in that first round as it’s a great risk. He is willing to take guys with higher floors , than potential higher ceilings as the risk is lower with low floor guys! Interesting! If they should attempt to move up , they have a system limit on how high, and it didn’t seem too likely. Just my opinion reading “ Beanes language”. He wants a “ playmaker “;, so even rb is not off the board in the first. 😊Best wishes!

I apologize to you and didn’t mean to single you out! I appreciate your points ! I was just triggered that this board will allow stupid topics about something like her salary yet they have mods who wirh no legitimate credentials now censor things that’ are fact based reply’s to obviously biased opinions, like attacking Beas for his right to chose his own medical control over his body and Called ,him profane names in doing so. I have been on the Board since the 90s, made so many great friends on here and now it is getting filled with topics that are literally petty , add little to football ( like Kay’s salary adds any football knowledge ?), and now it’s becoming a place where censorship is prevalent with one sided decision making according to whims of certain individuals It sad for me to see the change. i really sincerely apologize to you as it Was just meant about the topic. I hope you accept my sincere apology. Just wish it was like it used to be with so many posters who had great football knowledge on here, and people who were caring and friendly. I had so many reach out to me when my father passed in 2002 from here as friends I met discussing football and after going personally to SB 27 &28. I learned a lot on here and discussing salaries about celebrities is a waste as no input from here has any relevance to anything in her life, or any posters life. Yet a discussion about how our team might miss Beas is flagged if a word related to something like a poke is mentioned in a reply never meant to take over a thread ( watch me be censored for that just because I mentioned it as a doc, yet note , I mentioned no opinion or am try to judge anything. I just think Calling a player who helped us a pos was terrible ). I love the football knowledge on here , but salary talk is just subjective , adds nothing , no post about it influences anything. Just thoughts not directed at you , just a topic that actually does waste space on here. Does that make sense ? Some topics on here about some things are allowed that are so petty and click bait and I can tell you the Board never used to be that way. You have a great day and hope you enjoy the draft; in the end tho it’s just entertainment and all the mock drafts,, salary cap stuff is time wasted as only the staff of the bills opinions and actions matter !🍸😊👍 go bills ! Hopefully I will not be punished just for an opinion , isn’t this an opinion forum? Lol!

Pretty telling they picked up Oliver’s 5 th year tenure but not Edmunds yet. It’s this year or he’s gone of maybe they control him with tags. But his is not an obvious. priority as his talent doesn’t meet the eye test. Guys like podcaster Miller and Spence king who are quite arrogant if you critique Edmunds as they verbally belittle those who disagree with them that he is a legit star need to begin to get a ltiioe crow ready to eat. If he was the star / playmaker they espouse, why has his option not been exercised while every else but poyer has been extended? I am neutral , ok if he sticks , but I truly believe he could be replaced easily with little drop off and we could probably do better. They hold on because of the draft capital they spent. Poyer in much more impactful , only question is age but his play has only improved, and that’s why we did ok with the last year and had a 7; th round cb pick starting on a #1 D. Let me know the next time edmunds makes more then 2-3 impactful plays in a Game or even the season. It’s obvious the staff is giving him this year to prove things. Oir d runs well based on saftey play and Frazier has said as much. We have a good lb with Milano and edmunds is replaceable.

Who cares what she makes ? Is Relevant to your own life or well being? She is a commentator is a very stress free ( she could be digging ditches or some really physical Labor in life or do something like military or be a first line responder who also makes less , so spare me the pity about pampered celebrities who live in a different world , where things are based on looks and some modicum of talent. It’s like guys who obsess over the cap or salaries to be paid, eg I want it plays if he meets my payroll parameters. How does ti affect you in reality? Are you paying the salaries or are you a billionaire owner? It’s sport and entertainment. People need to take it as that and I am a passionate Bills fan but that doesn’t mean squat compared to my health and own family life that I have control of and are my reality. She prob makes more than most on these boards regardless of what she is making, and she appears healthy and happy. That’s all that matters . Some of you really need to grow up and understand to make your own life as important before worrying about trivia that will NEVER impact you. It’s not even an interesting topic and I clicked only to see about Amazon. Flame away but try to deny the truths in what I am saying. Focus on staying healthy , enjoy life when young. It’s what will pay you more than any money and you will be a better person. Why worry about a person you will never meet or be close to and I promise never thinks once about you unless you are a direct family member. You are wasting time when you should be dwelling on how you can maximize your potential and income and most importantly, you happiness and goals in life. How much is it worth to be on a tv show and just read things written for you , no threat to your well being or health.? Is that worth what police, nurses, firemen , solders ,EMT’s, etc are worth. Football is a great passionate relief but worrying about pay for those with no impact in your life is futile and frankly , you need to really evaluate importance of priorities in life. No offense , just some advice from an older adult Bills fan who know how much I mean to the Bills ,,,,pretty much nothing despit years of following them. It’s just the reality ; hope they win a SB , but even that won’t change the reality in my life as only imam responsible for that,,,,not Kay! 🍸😉

Great points! In another thread on here I saw stats posted showing he had one of the highest drop rates , like 12% or so , among this current crop of receivers. That’s enough of a warning to drop him out of first round consideration given all the talent available. Might be a great second round pick depending on how the board falls and how pressed we are to fill the corner need etc, at least from a depth perspective. Other drop rates were about half that much for the wrs considered 1 st round talent. It’s pretty basic, your #1 trait for a wr has to be you can catch the ball first above all else , and that drop rate was against lower talent as well. So with our wr corp already in place , I’m not using a 1 st to then have questions about reliability; more willing to accept that risk with later picks. One interesting fact that Chris Brown pointed out was that since 2017 , 43% of the Bills draft choices played in the senior bowl ! So having a good week / game there has obviously carried weight with this staff. Tasker felt it was the icing on the cake so to speak , sorting out last questions and issues with close candidates. It’s a whole week around NFL coaching and they scrutinize all behavior. For example , one gm told Tasker he watched a guy miss the trash can throwing away a cup , AND he watched to see if the guy went over from the bench to pick it up or not ! It’s that level of scrutiny and shows how even little things can make a difference on considering if a guy is coachable. So if he had a good week at the senior bowl , he probably is certainly on the Bills radar, but I would suspect that drop rate is also on their radar. Beane does like his high RAS guys , but I’m not sure this wr is going to fall in the right area value wise , and if he should go in the first/ early second , I would bet it will be to a different team. I would be happy if he ended up with us in the second , but I wouldn’t trade up because of that drop rate, unless I was convinced poor QB play was a factor for it being so high. It might take a year on the ps for him to blossom and I would lean more toward getting production this year for those first two picks , but if he is standing out on their board given their senior bowl bias , he could be a great bargain in the second round.

I agree. This is your all in year. Poyer has been a role model. You can’t overestimate how the chemistry between hyde and poyer allows Frazier ti run his schemes. We are not getting that production THIS YEAR from a rookie safety. Paying all the other guys and brining in Miller on a huge contract would look insulting to a guy who Mcd picked to bring in and got us to this point. Plus he just VZ e off a pro bowl season so it’s not like his production is falling or shows signs of it Give him a chance to win the SB and hope he understands that may give him something money can’t buy. Hope he sees that and is willing to accept an offer to extend him a year or two and he realizes all that struggle could be for naught to leave now on the cusp of forever being a SB champion. Wildcard is the wife and agent in his ear who have no sense of teammates and what forever being a SB champion means. Ask the 90’s guys; have Kelly / Tt talk to him cuz I’m sure they would give any contract / money up for a year to have just won one. Hopefully they reach common ground and he doesn’t let “ bad” type thinking ( not a critique, just stating something he knows well, about how bad thinking associated with the disease is always around the corner , even in recovery) influence something that could deny all he has worked for, and help resolve the pain associated with “13” Seconds. He can always get money, if not this contract year , in other ways as a SB champion. I respect him and his story and play so much. I hope he doesn’t let outside forces ( wife , agent , others contracts ) overtake his lifetime goal when so close. If he leaves for $ , and Bills win a SB, he will harbor resentment that can threaten sobriety. Hope his higher power is with him and in the end , he is at peace with his actions and as a fan, I hope he stays for this last run and is a part of Bills history bringing the Lombardi finally to Buffalo. He has been “ the process” , and he deserves to see it through.

Would NEVER happen. First Beane gave up a 1st for Diggs and was miserable on draft day not having a first round pick and stated he was unlikely to do that again and second, Mcd has never ( including his Carolina days) used valuable picks / assets to fill the 2nd cb roster spot. He is confident on developing late round picks / ufas for that spot. This roster will need labor on rookie contracts moving forward as well and the price to get up above cb needy rivals who have multiple picks and can afford to take Gardner in the top 5-10 is too steep. Many have the jets taking him at 4 I believe and we are not going to make a move from 25 to get anywhere close to that high. We made our huge moves with Von , Diggs, Bates’ etc and this team does need depth to offset injuries we see happen every year to every NFL team and we need o line , cb , wr , legit rb talent , a legit one technique DT ( settles is still a mild ? mark and needs development still ). Gardner is good yet there are very good scheme fit cbs for the NUMBER 2 CB who will be there thru th 3 rd round in all likelihood. Beane did his all in move with Miller and that’s how Mcd plays pass d, he values d line pressure to Help his cbs hold up.and if he valued cb 2 that much , he could have replaced Wallace several seasons going and last year they didn’t even devote a single pick to a cb ! Now you expect them to throw multiple high round picks for a position they have demonstrated they will fill with FA’s / udfa’s ? Pl We don’t draft in a vacuum and other teams value Gardner so he is an early target. You only give up that much draft value going after a franchise QB , not your cb 2. who doesn’t even cover other teams #1 wr. Mcd uses scheme to effect his philosophy on pass d and year after year he / Beane have proven they value d line pressure to achieve that They finally invested in the piece ( Miller ) to be sure they get the sacks / pressures they value. This isn’t madden ; the Bills Need depth and rookie contracts moving forward and they will also need guys developing to fill roster spots of guys here on one year deals like Safford should he chose to retire next year etc. The only position you throw that much draft capital at is a franchise Qb and we were lucky to get to 7 to get Josh; no way possible to get that high from 25 or to get above the Jets at 4 realistically. If something weird happened and Gardner dropped out of the top 10 , maybe they inquire, but that seems very implausible. My strongest argument tho is you don’t go several years ( or in mcds case , his career); fielding low picks / udfa’s at your cb 2 spot , throw millions at the d line year after year , to now suddenly act counter to that by throwing so much at the cb2 and then be vulnerable at other valued positions for several subsequent years. Mcd has shown he can make his d work with cb talent taken with later picks and I can’t see he or Beane varying from that now , esp given all the asset allocation to the d line where they obviously ARE willing to throw multiple picks at and spend huge FA money on. Franchise qbs have that much impact on winning , cb2’s do not and that’s been proven throughout the league. Even if White doesn’t return to form , he’s proof you can get adequate talent at 25 and don’t need to mortgage multiple assets trying to find. They also obviously value Jackson , and will either add a vet later or add another later pick at cb to compete with him. Tasker / Brown/ Greg Cosell have all said the same as well ; there will be good cb fits for the Bills even in rounds 2-3 who can compete for cb 2 in mcds scheme.

I think the high slow start pics is related to the last three all being d line with the guys sitting behind FA vets or established starters , and throw in the heavy rotational play and it’s a recipe for a slow start/ slow development scenario. I do think Epenesa is at high risk of being nothing more than a back up / low rotation guy unless he makes some dramatic third year progress. He will always be a sore point for me as we passed on Dobbins for him and we still are looking for consistent RB production. Moss looks like his skills didn’t translate well in the NFL and Mcd s evolution of the o needs are a result of very avg rb play and using Josh too much in the run game because he is the only consistent runner. Had we taken Dobbins ( despite his lost year with the injury, and who knows if he sustains that under the bills training ) in place of Epenesa , we would be just as productive on the d line and this year our RB situation would be much further along supporting Josh. I bet Dobbins has a very good year and I think it’s a huge stretch to expect that from Epenesa, esp with all the d line additions. One of the biggest misses imo by Beane in the early , first two rounds.

Good point , yet along the same lines , we don’t know it was “ overpaying” Bates. Obviously another team didn’t feel like he was asking too much. There is something to be said for keeping continuity with the o line. Ask any former o lineman like Fina , who is readily available on twitter and his podcast on YouTube. Guys get better as they play more together. It’s not always about just plugging someone in. We tried that several games last year and the results were bad. Why create another period of adjustment when we already have a brand new OC which even Mcd said “ we can expect growing pains with “! Bates’ did a good job , he should have been a priority , yet we keep making mistakes with FA’s along the d line and because of that we have to keep chasing our tail there and then we don’t have Money to pay our starting guard, who I have yet read or heard anyone say he didn’t play well. Let’s see what the bears think he’s worth and then Maybe have an idea relative to “overpaying”. If we can keep finding money for the d line every offseason tho, I have a hard time believing we couldn’t have reached a reasonable deal with a guy who filled in very well and we also will lose out on all the extra time we spent developing him Over the years he was here. That is worth money in itself. As for plugging in a rookie , well Mcd has tendency of leaning more toward playing vets. So you let a vet go , and plug in a new guy to the NFL and while it may work out in time , I just don’t see value in trying that on a team expected to compete for the SB. It’s not like you are drafting in the top 10 and you are getting some stud. Even in a deep cb draft, Kiper said there is no first round cb talent for the Bills at 25, as he has only 3 cbs of first round value and all are off by pick 15. Along that thought process, I have not heard this is a great draft for guards or o linemen , and it’s one of the harder positions for rookies to come into and start. My point is not just about Bates’ , it’s about this regime continuing to focus on the d early in the draft and then hoping they hit for the offense in late rounds , other than when they drafted Allen as they were forced to address the most critical position related to getting to the SB. Allen is how you are going to win, so why not for a change focus on getting him some young , cheap , premier talent to support him early in the draft ? Seemed to work well for the Bengals who already made it further than this regime has! Can’t deny that ! Just as importantly , we have seen you can’t just plug in guys along the o line continuously as it hurts chemistry and imo , if they keep doing that you can expect games like losing to the Steelers in a home opener as the line was terrible early in the year. Lines take time to gel and the less “ moving “ pieces , the better it is for early chemistry and protecting your half billion dollar investment in Josh. Hey , like I said , they could match the Bears , and go o early In the draft! If they do then it proves my point and they do see the need to protect Josh and keep adding firepower so he can keep improving as he is the ticket to winning a SB. You need to protect him with continuity on the line but also by getting the ball in other playmakers hands so he doesn’t have to keep being our leading Rb for example, as he will get injured and it will shorten his career if you don’t keep infusing the o with talent. Plus after seeing what wrs have gotten paid in FA , they need to get some guys in case we can’t afford Diggs ( who was in reality a first round talent for us) after Josh’s contract kicks in. We could end up rich along the d , and surrounding Josh with bargain or average talent all the time , and that would be a sad use of a generational talent at QB. I hope that doesn’t happen. 🙂

I understand your great point; however it’s not like he was just on the roster for a few games or just one season. They have had plenty of time to evaluate him, and after he performed well, it looks like they underestimated his talent and continually over valued Ford ( Fina , who Rarely is critical of guys on the roster , said Ford has heavy feet and has not lived up to what you expect at this point) and they may have under valued Bates again with the lower tender. So they got rid of Williams, Feliciano , and now will probably lose Bates’ and so far just brought in a guy for a year in Safford. What happened to all the talk by Beane of protecting Josh, as you stated? This looks like a mess to me. Hard to believe they plan on drafting a rookie at guard to plug and play ; just look at Brown as it took several games of horrible line play before they stuck with him , mostly forced to because of injuries. So do you think Beane meant we needed to protect Josh and he was depending on grabbing a starting guard in the draft ; just seems unlikely to me, and depth is still a major concern as we witnessed many injuries on the O line in the reg season last year. I think Beane made an error, as Bates’ stabilized the line going into the playoffs and the line play unquestionably got better after he was inserted. With the low tender and losing Bates’ , you essentially lose three starters and gained one guard. So at a minimum we are really questionable with depth now and it’s looking like because of the cap , they may go back to Ford at RG, and imo that’s a disaster waiting to happen. I hate to see them going thru what they did last year with all the numerous changes in the line , when all this could have been ( and maybe still could be ) avoided by sticking with Bates’. Yes, it was a limited STARTING sample, yet he gave them nothing to really be critical of or to base speculation that if paid he suddenly would get worse. He is definitely safer than trying one more time with Ford. If they lose him , I think it was an avoidable mistake on Beanes part and we are back to always working on the D line , but never doing enough with the o line to have a consistent starting group heading into the season opener. I don’t know enough about the FA from the dolphins but just judging their line play , I find it hard to believe they let some great talent walk , and I thought he was to take Bates’ place for depth purposes. So it would seem like going in circles with the O line and it is forcing a need that Beane can’t ignore in the draft and goes against his preaching of taking BPA. I agree with you that they now can’t avoid addressing guard in the draft , and they are also almost forced into addressing CB as well. That may take away from their ability to get an offensive playmaker to keep giving Josh , who you live and die with, some Stability at wr / rb who he he could develop chemistry with for years to come. So far he has benefitted with Gabe and Knox ( took awhile to have that happen as they were projects in later rounds), but everything else has been by grabbing Free agents and who knows how that will go. We hit with Smoke ( for a year of production only really) Beasley ( couple of good years ) , Sanders imo was a disappointment, tight ends have been disappointing ( let’s see If Howard bucks that trend ), Running backs have been very average so far ( this year again going with our second choice of FA rb who had productive years at least a couple of years back, so that’s another ?) , and our one big hit has been Diggs. Crowder could be good , but has developed injury issues and chemistry with Josh has to be developed again , which gives me ptsd after Sanders. My point is you have your franchise qb after 20 years of crap , and he is here 5 years now , and we have drafted 1 starting caliber WR, 1 starting caliber TE, 1 possible starting Rb ( and I think we could do much better than motor ) 2 starting O linemen ( Dawkins / Brown) as guys that can grow with Josh. We have thrown a ton of FA money at the d line and used multiple high picks there and spent more money on special teams / Punter, various Cbs , various LBs without hesitation, yet we are losing a starting guard because of a lack of foresight EVEN AFTER BEANE SAID IT WAS SUCH A PRIORITY! When will they get serious about providing Josh with tools that will be here for more than a season , and use the draft to help with the cap and stop only helping the O by throwing new FA’s as stop gaps that require adjustment year after year. Josh is how you win the SB ; look at how Burrows thrived with the right WR who has speed! We don’t have that and now we may be forced to go CB , possibly guard o-line , early as we have no depth there. You have a superstar qb , and the best you can do is keep throwing FA’s at the O ( wr , o line , rb) and I think you could argue they are placing him at risk of injury, and not fully helping him become even better than he is now because they only look at tools for him AFTER filling holes on the d and now they potentially have lost a starting guard unnecessarily. Maybe I will be wrong , and they match Bates’ offer and draft a talented Wr/ or Rb ( only the one rb is worth a 1 st imo) and go cb in the 4 th or later ( they have a track record of successfully developing cbs in later rounds , more so than success at developing wrs / rbs with later picks as for every Gabe there is hodgins ,foster, Zay jones, sweeny , Stevenson so far , moss, etc) and plan for the future by maximizing talent around Josh ! I hope so because we have done a ton for the defense ( whose limiting factor MAY be Frazier ), while every year Josh has been required to deal with a lot of variables , including a ROOKIE OC this year and now again new o line men and a new slot receiver. Focusing so much on the d got us a “#1” D , but we see where that facade has gotten us In the playoffs so far , early trips home ( but adding Miller is finally a great move defensively and no one could argue against that as a legit addition). However, Beane , I hope does what he promised , protect and give Josh all the support he deserves and that’s our road to a Lombardi. The Bates’ issue and draft time will tell if it’s same old thing , or will we finally give Josh weapons to keep growing with !? 🙂

This is obviously a year Beane is going all in as evidenced by bringing back Guys like phillips, Lawson, Barkley and spending on someone like Miller. It is not a time to take on projects based on potential. We are not THAT deep that we can afford to take on two medical rehab projects who may not , probably won’t touch the field this year. What good is talent that is not available ? You are also wasting cheap years as you would be paying for rehab , not filling in depth this year. Injuries happen and no team is deep enough to waste TWO cost effective draft picks on guys who “ might “ get back as you are just paying for added risk as 50% of draft picks when healthy don’t hit to begin with. You are not Setting anything up for “ 4-5 years” when you are wasting a year right off the top. Most rookies improve greatly In their second year and ALREADY INJURED PLAYERS just have their experience gained a year further down the road. Why do this at this point , are these guys superstars NOW who have shown they can produce at THIS level yet ? No, they are gifted college players who are now unfortunately carrying an extra risk as one may get back this year ( albeit in a difficult to learn wr position where we have already seen a guy like Hodges has two wasted years on medical Ir or at least never touched the field at this point ), while the other is definitely out the whole year with the Achilles tear. If I’m an owner , I’m not using HIGH ( first three rounds ) draft picks to pay for their rehab , especially as there may be close to the same talent present in other players, without the added risk who can play roles now in a year when we are right up against the cap and can’t afford more FA’s as injuries begin to occur which we know do every year. You expect your top 2-3 picks to be productive right away, and in this scenario you need them for depth at a minimum as you are ready to compete for a SB NOW ! Who can afford to worry about having guys for the following year as luxury picks that are 100% never going to be anything you can depend or count on definitively this year? It’s different if you are a team niot expected to compete this year for the SB and you are in rebuild mode and can be patient. You don’t do this as a team bringing in a guy for 120 mil as you try to find the last pieces to get you over the hump for a title! The NFL IS CURRENTLY a year to year league as we have seen the past two SB winners load up the year they won with Tampa bringing in Brady et Al , and LA bringing in Stafford, Miller, OBJ, etc. Did you see them stockpiling drafted guys ; no , they brought in known production. Drafting injured guys means you are getting nothing , zero production NOW. We still have holes and the top few picks need to be on the field in some capacity this year imo. It’s different if you are talking about getting injured guys in later rounds , like maybe taking s flier on ONE guy in later rounds after your major depth is taken care of. But it’s foolish to throw earlier , valuable picks at rehabbing potential for the future when your ownership is spending and going all out for a SB this year. Heck , if the Bills get bounced early again , who is to say Mcd is around to even see when those guys hit the field. ( unlikely but who knows in todays NFL?) It’s that old saying , drafting for potential is drafting for the next coach. Maybe they take a flier on one of them , but if so I would bet it’s the guy who at least their medical staff has assured them can compete at some point THIS year, but I would be shocked if they used a first round pick in a year with needs as they are feeling the pressure to make it to the SB after falling short the past two years. Beane already said it , they have to hit in the draft this year as they don’t have any further money to spend , and picking a guy to just stockpile for a year for a franchise who has never won a title seems like an unnecessary, luxury risk.

Still got the punter! 😀

It’s not just about rape, as he could have been a serial exposer or letting the towels suddenly drop off, guiding a hand , making suggestions etc. Lots of levels of wrong possible and I am sure he passed it off as unintentional and many may have put it out of their thinking as self protection / denial kicks in. Pretty hard to report that UNTIL you start reading about him doing it to others and then they got courage and validation that they did nothing as an individual to bring on this behavior. In my family practice I saw more than a few cases of women abused and even physically beaten and it’s classic domestic violence ( just like we saw in the gabby case last year as she blamed her own behavior , justifying his abuse until it cost her life)response behavior to keep denying and allowing terrible behavior to continue. It’s about POWER , and Watson had tons of that. In my own biased opinion , this many women are too compelling to just believe he is the “ victim” and I will only watch him if he is playing the Bills and I will be hoping he needs a masseuse after playing us and can’t find any to work on him except for some muscular dude with a family history of a close relative being victimized and they aggressively work out his trigger points ! 😉

Wow, this really does suck! The AFC is going to be a nightmare to come out of. Meanwhile the NFC looks like a predictable battle between Brady and Rodgers , with Stafford pulling up the rear and Murray as the little train who could ! . The Texans are proving even tho they can’t field a team , they will influence the playoffs for year to come ! So the AFC HAS ALLEN, WILSON, MAHOMES , WATSON , Jackson of Raven lore, HERBET , CARR, JETS WILSON , THE PATS GAME MANAGER, POSSIBLY MITCH WITH THE STEELERS, LAWRENCE, possibly Mayfield with the Colts ? and that is a crazy level of competition. Throw in guys like Mack and Jackson with bosa in San Diego and Adams with the Raiders, Miller now with the Bills , and even more talent flows into a super competitive AFC. All this even BEFORE the draft! It figures after all the years we had to deal with being dominated by Brady , just by him alone being so far above the other qbs in the division , that only two years with him gone Mahomes immediately emerges and even with Josh developing as a superstar , the AFC gets such a talent infusion that it is feasible there will be limited or even maybe just one shot at a SB title for any given team. it’s almost impossible for a team to dominate in this conference for any consecutive periods because the QB position is now SB adequate in many spots and there are also possible dominant D’S on the horizon evolving ! All those thinking we are a certainty to go to the SB in the next three years Need to pump the brakes. It’s going to be a dog fight all the way and it only takes that one loss, a flubbed 13 seconds that could even become more Billsy and someone loses with only 10:seconds remaining, in the arms race of the AFC! Just in itself it seems this kind of thing only happens to the Bills; we finally have a generational talent at Qb , and right at that exact moment in history the AFC makes the NFC look like the XFL! Lol! If I don’t laugh , I may start to.tear up as it’s just never easy for our beloved Bills ! Man , I don’t think any of us saw this coming and just 48 hours ago I was watching so many content providers / podcasters on YouTube gleefully laughing after signing settles , safford et Al , and then with the huge Miller surprise out of thin air, proclaiming our right, our destiny to the super bowl. It just goes harkens back to those who lived the 90’s,,,,, we all learned even 4 shots in a row guaranteed nothing , take nothing for granted , and things now seem anything but certain! One thing is certain , there won’t be any frauds coming out of this conference! 😉😊

Good information! We might be an exception tho and certainly our coaching staff / management look to be leaning toward building from front to back given all the draft capital , FA additions etc as they bring in Miller and 2 new dts in addition to phillips / Lawson. They are all prior high draft picks as well. Our back 7 has 2 or 3 pro bowl / corners or safeties and at least one pro bowl LB. Lots of talent in both areas now but the last two years the d line production was lacking input from that type of talent and despite a #1 ranking , it’s hard for someone to argue they really performed like a #1 D in big games , sometimes playing down to the competition like Jax or getting dominated by the Colts and almost the entire divisional and prior afc championship games against K C I am willing to bet this latest d line talent influx will have much more impact than prior years , especially compared to the impact of a starting cb 2., even if it’s another pro bowl player or high draft pick. It should be easy to see the difference based on sacks, forced fumbles , run defense,TFL numbers, and ultimately the W/ L record and playoff success, based on the fact that the front 4 group is where we have made so many changes. Should be an easy “ eye test” to see the new d line effects compared to the prior two years. I don’t think anyone could argue that this is not the most talented d line of the Beane / McDermott era at least on paper, so it should make for an easy comparison to prior years. On the other hand, We have had a relatively constant in the back 7 over three seasons now, with the exception of a new Cb #2 this year (and perhaps some early games without White but even he may be ready for the regular season), so a change in production there may be less likely to occur or perceive, and if the W/L record in one possession games improves significantly for example , I think it would be hard to argue that it was not related to the new large talent influx along the d line. Do you think that’s a fair statement? I think it’s harder to isolate production of the back 7 , especially the Dbs , other than looking at PBUS, INTS, chunk pass plays over 20 yards etc., and even those things are affected by line play with pressures adding to ints or inability to have time to complete long routes. Just intuitively it seems much easier to see the direct, isolated effects of line play in those areas like pressures / sacks / run defense , TFL, than it is to see db influence outside of ints and PBUs. I would be interested in what “ advanced metrics “ they used exactly in coming up with their conclusion that good secondary play correlates more with good team d.; I mean that sincerely as a learning experience and not being sarcastic or flippant in any way. Good post and we should be able to see if we do have much better line play from this group what the ultimate results end up getting us ; no further in the playoffs , or winning road one possession games, getting home field playoff advantage finally , and ultimately if we make it to the SB. ( I do realize tho a lot depends on getting relatively similar O production in the face of a huge change in offensive staff and OC). Like most things , the results are probably multifactorial, and too interrelated to draw exact conclusions. 🧐🤓😊 Best wishes!

Tell that to Aaron Donald after he made the game wining sack in the Super Bowl as highly whiny , over rated jalen Ramsey was beaten after falling and if Donald doesn’t make that play , the Bengals win the SB! Tell that to Bruce smith. With 4 afc championships in a row which has never been repeated. Elite cbs are not great at stopping a power run game.without a line in front of them and now esp with rules where they can’t go low. Our back has been better than our line and look how far we have gotten. How was Tampa creditied with beating kc in the SB ; they had good line play and dropped more guys but they got pressure successfully with their line. of course we will pick up dbs because we have too. But our great safties and dbs were no help with mahomes running around all,day as we never registered one sack in that loss. On the other hand , cincy got to him with their guys , got turnovers and shut him out in the second half of the afc championship game. You can’t get beaten deep if your wrs don’t have time to get deep. You really need to go back and review some basic facts and football concepts because that statement about line play being grossly overrated and not impactful is just fantasy and opinion and I just provided examples contradicting that premise. Hmm, who usually gets paid more , a cb or edge rusher ? How many cbs get taken first overall compared to premiere edge rushers? So many things are just wrong about your premise , I think I will just stop now. I would take Donald over the elite ( choke, gag, ) Ramsey any day. 😉😂

I really like this and the Phillips return. These guys are seasoned vets now but not too old like Hughes and Addison are now. They have seen the grass is not always greener and they know this team is SB ready. They understand the complete system and know the Buffalo city and mafia! They WANT TO BE HERE and we’re willing to take what was offered to play here now. They got their huge paydays and want a ring. They are HUNGRY ! I love it and love rooting for these guys. Also , remember they never really wanted to leave in the first place but were just not resigned. The biggest thing I like about both of them is they play with enthusiasm and emotion and I think this D needs a little injection of passion , esp along that line where with the older vets that passion may have dwindled. Great move , low risk , and I think the days of pressures and few sacks may be finally gone , esp coupled with bringing in Von ! I also expect more turnovers being created and I think the run d will improve quite a bit. Pretty excited to have these guys back and watch them now as vets. We may actually see a TRUE #1 d that doesn’t give up critical chunk plays , play down to the competition , and can actually hold a lead in a one possession game. In those one possession games , which we lost all of , did you ever really feel our D would actually stop a game winning drive? I know I never did and that turned out to be the case. If Frazier/ Mcd don’t ruin it by stupid calls like the KC game, this d will get after opposing qbs and I think finally hold up with a lead or deliver a needed stop to come from behind which is a feeling I can’t say I have really ever felt with this coaching regime. Mcd has a lot to prove this year after that lost season of 13 seconds. This year he actually has the people who can pressure the qb while rushing just 4 with these additions! Should be fun to watch.

Great points ! Poyer is a fav of mine however he was not a draft pick of theirs and is getting older so they may look for a drafted / cheaper solution. Edmunds and Oliver are core , drafted position guys and after coming up with money for Miller , I am now convinced anything is possible. Knox is coming into his prime and they were very patient on his development, yet I am not sure they are not willing to go thru the whole process again as TE has only so much production in this O as a piece of the receiving unit and if push comes to shove , I bet beane would bet he could find another knox if needed. Oliver is a rarer breed, and Mcd covets those d guys ; once Starr is of the books they prob focus on retaining Oliver. With Edmunds , he is just a devout process guy , a young guy who will get a shot a two major contracts probably. So they may use that as a tool to help him understand his actual value more and if other teams see what a lot of Bills fans see , he may not be many teams cup of tea. Not a lot of teams run a 4-2-5 almost all the time and want more physical MLB types. It’s always possible tho someone would use him in a better role as a true olb and allow him to rush more and that might drive his value up. Somehow I think they get him for another 3-4 years as Mcd is very loyal to certain player types. I think they believe he has very unique talents with speed / size, wingspan and they don’t seem to mind his softer style of play. They must see him do much more than at least I see as a long time fan ( since 63 ) but albeit one with no formal coaching experience.

Yep , this is only about special teams and has nothing to do with Edmunds. Listened to Mcd with Brown & Tasker ( who both rave about edmunds) and Mcd was effusive with praise , reviewing how much Edmunds has on his plate .. He stated he was much improved matching pass routes to coverages this past season He also stated again about the age thing being it’s hard to believe his is so young yet with all this experience now. After I listened to Mcd , I am convinced they do whatever it takes to hold onto him. He has been a quiet leader who Mcd felt needs to perhaps be a little more vocal was the only critical thing Mcd said about him. Otherwise he was gLowing in praise and really this was the first time I came away hearing Mcd openly praise a player without focusing on their continued need for growth and staying humble. I don’t see what Mcd sees , but I’m not the guy edmunds has to please. No way they replace him unless he has a disastrous year in 2022, as I now expect him to be a Bill for a long time unless HE choses to go elsewhere. This is Beane looking for a backup Lb who is a special teams guy and being a captain is right up Beams alley. Another good guy in Matakevich prob bites the dust this year as Beans keeps looking for the latest / greatest. Hard to believe a guy leads the eagles in tackles would come to a club to be a backup , special teams guy. Seems like just a reach on this guy and just checking in if he might be disgruntled etc , which it would prob take for him to want to leave a starting role. I just can’t fathom after hearing Mcd that they are looking for a replacement for edmunds.

Haha! Yeah I thought about that but after that first year as white started because our talent level was no where close to what it is now , rookies seem to have had a harder time getting on the field for consistent periods of time. Maybe with our depth being so bad at cb now , a guy drafted at 25 could be a starter. I guess it just depends how the draft goes and if someone drops. Of course, with the success of Brown , it is proof a good rookie can earn starting time , but it sure took a while for it to happen and it took losing games, an abysmal run game m and injuries for Brown to get his shot. You are right of course, as white started after being drafted at 25 , but it’s a different Mcd now , a different roster , and I am not totally sure Mcd will start a rookie full time at CB. He sure likes his vets. Tre was drafted at a different time , expectations were much lower and Mcd had all the time he needed to allow development as he wasn’t expected to make the playoffs. None of that is true now and the expectations are much higher from Mcd and the team is expected to compete for the SB I think only time will tell if he will actually give a rookie a starting position with a lot more on the line now. He may have his hands tied tho and be forced to because of the situation so I guess a cb drafted at 25 could start for us , but I still would bet Mcd gives a vet every chance to start over a rookie. Hey , if Sauce drops to 25 or one of the top 5 cbs is still there , maybe they could crack the starting line up. Like I stated tho , I think that’s very UNUSUAL to land a PLUG IN READY ( based on mcds RECENT ROOKIE use ) cb drafting that low who they will actually start, and with Mcd I will believe it when I see it. 😀. White has been a great pic and I think that much talent is hard , not impossible , but difficult to find at 25 ( after all he turned out to be a pro bowl caliber guy ) so like I said , that’s rare, wouldn’t you agree ? I don’t think anything I said was off base that much as we have seen rookies have a much harder time cracking the line up now as it’s a much more talented roster compared to when Tre was drafted. Good point about Tre tho ! 😊

It doesn’t matter that much really after losing Mitch. He was MAYBE the only guy who could legitimately have held place for a couple of games, and again , that’s a big maybe ! If Josh goes down for more than a few series or just a game , there is no one to replace that talent drop off and be as productive in this passing offense. We don’t currently have a run game as plan b , especially with the two current backs, so without Allen this team will not have much offense. So far they refuse to develop a plan b for bad weather or should Allen go down as they have not fixed the lack of run production. So they will fill in with whatever is left from the FA’s and there is just no talent out there that makes second qb anywhere close to providing your comfort like last year. That guy was a overall number one pick if I remember correctly and last year having him on a cheap deal was an anomaly. No way is having a second Qb more valuable than getting a legit CB 2 or depth as another injury there would be devastating. The facts are with no dependable run game ( tho there is some hope with Safford and if Bates’ can stay, and maybe the new OC will place more importance on a legitimate run threat ) does it really matter too much who qb two is as the production will likely fall off a cliff without Josh ! They are just structured around him as he also is their main running game. How do you replace that? So get a guy like fitz or marriota who could possibly give you a few series or a game, but until they get a plan B and develop an ability to run the ball IF NEEDED ( look what happened when the weather was bad and even Josh couldn’t pass well, our o fell apart), just plug in a reasonable guy for the qb room because we can’t compete in the AFC with all the other qb talented teams should Josh get injured. . It’s the same for the other AFC teams. I do wish they would get a quality back tho to help protect Josh and keep him away from so many rpos ( until playoff time) and develop a good run threat/ game. That way an avg throwing qb might have a chance to be productive if Josh is out for any period, and THEN it might actually matter who the back up qb is. It’s more important to do everything possible to keep Josh healthy ( develop a legit run game ) than worry about what qb to fill in with because like most teams , if your starter is down , so are your chances of post season success. The CB need is more reasonably fixed as we saw last year with depth stepping up, if you have guys in the pipeline so that again takes precedent over qb 2. 😉

White will be back long before December as an Acl is a 6 -8 month recovery time so Sept is a realistic period and a return in December is way off on an uncomplicated acl repair. I do think you have a valid concern but this draft is very deep at cb and I know Beane will bring in a vet or two at cb. I don’t think when drafting at 25 you are guaranteed a starting cb anyhow as we know that’s rare and Mcd doesn’t use rookies that way in his history. Should they got lucky and a top tier guy drops or they move up , they might have a shot a a plug in starter but I don’t know If they can move that high to get to the top 3 cbs. After that the talent level equals out for the next couple of rounds as I have heard draft experts mention. I bet you end up being right tho and the Bills feel forced to draft cb In round 1, which is a shame as they could grab some really good value at wr or yes, even rb ( if hall was there at 25 ). at the end of the first round. Just thinking it goes against their philosophy of always going best available talent and goes toward filling a need that they really should address prior to the draft. It’s not like they didn’t know this was coming so it seems a little short sighted which is not like Beane at all. Still lots of FA time tho to fix things.!

Great points , and Carr is no Rodgers. Man, the AFC just got a whole ton of talent dumped into it this preseason and this is all before the draft ! This is another example of irresponsible spending by a gm as there is no way Adams lives up to that value with Carr throwing the ball and with all the other talented teams in that division. I get trying to do something with all the talent influx , but you have to be realistic with Carr as yoir qb : no way a wr returns value at that price getting throw to by Carr. I don’t think he will come close to the production he had in Green Bay as other teams will be scoring and holding onto the ball in that division and I think the Raiders would be smarter to try running the ball and keeping possession rather than trying to keep up with Maholmes , Wilson, and the San Diego qb, as Carr is arguably the worst qb in that division now. Raiders being the Raiders tho even with a new staff in place. Some things never change ! Ownership does play a role in how the franchise performs year after year , and any guy who.rocks that hair cut as an owner is proof he makes bad decisions daily !😃

I understand that , after all tho Rodgers did LIE about things and admitted he was in the wrong But why attack the guy and call him an idiot just because he didn’t vote for you to be a UNANIMOUS choice and Rodgers was still going to easily win the mvp award. So all his self love and entitlement was about ONE VOTE! True behavior of a narcissistic A hole and it just one more thing in a long history of diva like antics from Rodgers over the years. He was the guy holding out all this prior pre season as well , so he has a pattern of behavior worrying about himself and not the team as he wants everyone to perceive about him. This adams thing would be a great time to be a fly on the wall when they try reasoning this to Rodgers who many times said he wanted Adams on the team. 😀

I agree Allen can make guys better, but it also works both ways. Beas was great with many clutch catches and let’s be honest , Allen was developing into what he is now and many times Cole made spectacular catches of off target throws from Allen , and he helped win games for us I really like Cole, and he made the right choices for himself about the vax and didn’t deserve all the crap. I won’t get into the medical arguments here even tho there is a ton of evidence to support individuals choices because this board is not tolerant of discussing outcomes or issues regardless of supporting studies. But he was great for a developing Josh , played thru a fractured fibula , and was a very , very good slot guy who moved the chains with many critical receptions. Allen is at a stage NOW where he does make people better , but Cole is talented reading zones , had great hands , and was a good teammate by all accounts. It may not be as easy as you think to just plug in some one else : we’ve all read aboit chemistry between a qb and receivers. Sanders never really developed that type of chemistry with Allen , so I would never minimize losing a guy Josh depended on many times.