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An important topic, as to me it was the seminal reason the Bills became a legitimate Super Bowl contender--and will be the reason they win it all. But, okay, sorry I was not more specific in my response to your first post. Hard to do it briefly, so here it is, (and then I will eventually respond to your new post!): 1. To your point that there’s a “huge black spot” on the Cook orange and that the Cook orange costs “$500”. First, there is no “big black spot” on Cook. He has been a great teammate to his team members, according to them, and quiet, humble, never speaking the spotlight as a player, ever, except in his (wish he didn’t do it), summersaults in the end zone after scoring sometimes. I assume you are calling his publicly calling for $15 million a year that “big black spot”. But he is just trying to get paid what he thinks he is worth as a young elite back in the NFL. If Beane signs him before the season to a contract in which one or more of the years is for @15 million, I can almost guarantee you that next off season that will look like considerable bargain, as the running game continues to grow importance, and so the running backs. And Cook clearly gets better, noticeably better, each year. He will do so again this year. And the Bills know what they have, and will use him more, both running and catching. And most oranges cost about $1.00, maybe $2 for the bigger, premium ones. But your analogy is that it would be like paying $500 for this Cook orange. So, let’s split the difference; say the real price is $1.50, and that means that the Cook orange in your analogy costs 333 times the going price. I think most reasonable folks would say that is at the very least a slight exaggeration, really undermining your point—showing that extreme, over the top exaggeration is the only way to support what you are saying, in this case. (I find that is true with so many who say, “Let Cook walk….”, not that you are saying that, and flippantly discount his value to the Bills.) 2. Referring to my words you say: that in 2021 that when they lost to Tampa and then, according to you, they “ran more than any other team becoming the best running team in the league. They did not lose again.” You say: That’s an extremely clear case of letting a pre-judgment deeply twist your conclusions in ways the evidence just doesn’t support. Not even close. I don’t remember the exact stat but I remember hearing that again and again after that Tampa game, as the season progressed, something such as the Bills ran the ball a higher percentage of times in their offense after that game than any other team in the league, or perhaps it was they ran for more yards than any other team for the rest of the season. (I am not good at using stat sites to find more complicated stats, such as who led the league in rushing percentage or yards for the last 4 games of a previous season, but I clearly remember that being said, over and over. And that the Bills became much more focused and committed on the run. And clearly ditto for the other two years I mention.) A lot was made of this, as until that point it was more of a running back by committee, with Moss and Singletary. I wanted more of a featured back approach, with Singletary, as he seemed to become better and better as the game progressed if he was the guy. And I was angry that the running game was not getting more play in general, believed The Bills would not be hovering around a 50% win rate if they ran the ball more, and took that part of the game much more seriously. As the yards per carry at that point indicated that they would be very successful in doing that if they ran more, would have a more balanced and productive offense. Meaning: a much easier time for Josh, less hero ball, less running for his life… In fact, as you know, there was quite a bit of talk at that time that it was a philosophical difference between Daboll and McD, and that the head coach wanted the Bills to be much more committed to the run and that Daboll was not on board. And the Bills did exactly that, focused on the run more, made Singletary the featured back, and then they did not lose again for the rest of that season. It is a sport, you can believe what you want, but hard to argue that when a team does what they did, with the intention to turn their season around, and with fans like me calling for exactly that, and then the changes that they and the head coach wanted pay off as they did, as those calling for this expected it would, that it was not a vital reason for the much better team and no losses. The head coach won, much to the chagrin of those who (comically, ignorantly) hated the words “complimentary football”, and the Bills did not lose another game that season. I believe that post season was when they lost to the Chiefs in KC that year, very late in that wild game. 3. I did not come to my points after the Bills committed to the run and became a more successful, more difficult to beat team in any of the three years I point to. I was screaming from the rooftops, at games, on this forum, in my living room, and at sports bars as I watched Daboll drop the ball and then, much worse, watched the incompetent clueless dorsey neglect the running game, causing our superstar leader to revert to old, fly by the seat tactics, running for his life, with a running game that scared no one, trying to do anything he could to pull games out of his kiester. In each of those three examples, three different years, I knew if the Bills were more committed to the run they would become much more dangerous, almost unstoppable. Check my posts on this forum. In fact, it was the main reason I was calling for dorsey’s firing, in my real life and on here. For him, the running game was an afterthought, though they had the horses to do it very well even then. Go and read my OP on his firing the week before Brady’s first game, and my thoughts in that thread on the running game. It was a seminal reason for wanting a new OC. And I predicted Brady would oblige and do the clearly needed thing—run like hell. So my thoughts did not change, are not 20/20 hindsight when it comes to the importance of the running game, but were what I saw as the most important change they needed to make, which were then clearly supported by the evidence after the commitment came by the Bills—all three times. 4. I notice you don’t say a word, not one, about the other two big examples I give, the year Brady replaced dorsey, and the Bills again became the most run centric or running yardage team in the league after that, with only their one loss to Phili in overtime, for the rest of the season. In a season that before that fundamental change, was clearly slipping away. And you don’t say a single word, on what happened last year when the Bills became a much more run centered team from the outset-- and had their best offensive year ever, breaking a Bills’ scoring record and scoring more points than any team in the league for the entire year. And the first time in NFL history, running for 30 touchdowns and passing for 30. (That last stat was not just happenstance, but because of a clear, sharp change, commitment to the run—agree with that?) But I would not mention those two other main examples, two other years I point to either, if I was going to end my post saying: “Pretending that they did really well down the stretch of that season because they ran a lot? Flat-out ridiculous.” Rather, I think it makes perfect sense, and that the facts support it, as much as they can in something as subjective as sports analysis. I wanted it, I was saying why the lack of commitment to the running game was undermining our team and our quarterback’s great potential. I got what I wanted each of the three times, and the team was almost unbeatable—all three times, with the new found commitment to the running game, supported with concrete evidence. Clearly, the biggest and most obvious changes each time. And this coming year, I am calling for even more of a commitment to the running game, with maybe the 3 best back combo in the league now. As on offense it is all about the running game, as with a superstar quarterback in place, once the Bills have added a better running game they became a powerhouse. This year, with an elite running game, there for the taking if they want it (and I hope they will), it makes sense that the Bills are even better than last year. And that they take the next step. It is the very least a clear pattern. At least you would agree with that, I hope. But most importantly, I am shocked and confused—you are an impostor! Not the real Thurman. Unacceptable.

Beane. * Really put Jeremy and Sneaky Joe back on their heels.

The reliable media being reliable.

With that speed? I'll be looking for his first pick-6.

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This.

I'll take a big swing and say we'll be pleasantly surprised when Maxwell Hairston picks off a pass in his first NFL game.

Please let him sign with another team, preferably a good team with a great qb, so he can drag them down a notch too

I'm thinking they're going to play in Dublin, and I want to make sure I'm in front of the TV on time.

The I don't know hoax ..

I may be one of them. And/or, the game in Atlanta. There's a big Bills Mafia presence there as well.

Well, not really. He's a rather bright guy. The rest of the story from 5 years ago (You guys really dig for this marginal stories. He's not a threat. He had to be persuaded to run again). “The first African Americans sent into the English colonies came to Point Comfort in 1619. They were slaves, they had been captured against their will, but they landed in colonies that didn’t have slavery — there were no laws about slavery in the colonies at that time,” Kaine explained. “The United States didn’t inherit slavery from anybody. We created it. It got created by the Virginia General Assembly and the legislatures of other states. It got created by the court systems in colonial America that enforced fugitive slave laws.” In a statement to National Review, Kaine attempted to clarify his remarks — which were much longer than the prepared speech released by his office. “There was no law mandating slavery on our shores when African slaves came ashore in 1619. Did slavery already exist in the world? Of course. But not in the laws of colonial America at the time,” Kaine explained. “We could have been a nation completely without the institution. But colonial legislatures and courts, and eventually the U.S. legal system, created the institution on our shores and maintained slavery until the 13th Amendment. As I said, we didn’t inherit it. We chose to create it.”

Elijah Moore is easily capable of becoming exactly what John Brown produced for Josh. Both are around 5-10 and both ran a 4.34 40. I just don't want to see us bring back retreats like Davis, Diggs, Cooper. They had their chance and it's time for fresh faces and motivation.

they can't ...and they hate the "tds" moniker because they know its so accurate.

Like bigvinny said. When is the Bills game at Charlotte.

Testify! High school yearbook photo.

Couple of my opinions… I do believe the idea that Beane loves Gabe. Gabe is way better than Hollins. In an everyone eats offense in which route running, spacing, and precision is key, Gabe is an awful fit. In this case Moore is the right move. Despite that, Gabe could help as a deep threat. Also, he should sign with the Giants.

I’m okay if we play the Ravens and KC without Hoecht and Ogunjobi. Especially if we can come out with a win. Gives them another thing they’ll have to game plan for assuming we meet again in the playoffs.

Yeah I agree. Kincaid being this small is a huge problem.

Two games in 1988. First the opener at home against the Vikings, who almost became an SB champ in 87, as this game signified that the Bills were back winning a 13-10 slug fest. Bruce did not play in this game. Second, the Monday Night game at Giants Stadium against the Jets before Halloween, where Jets fans literally burned the stadium down, while mashing a beach ball pumpkin around the stadium. It led to no beer sales after half time of night games. The Bills routed the Jets 37-14.

Hopefully same for Eagles and Chiefs, too.

I’d rather see what palmer, moore, and 2nd year Coleman have, but I wouldn’t be against signing Davis as a vet minimum insurance policy in case of injuries. Doubt Gabe would be interested in that role but he’s made enough money the last 14 months that he can pick where he wants to be and not worry about money. Vrabel relishes being a troll so Gabe could probably shake the Pats down for some good money if that floats his boat too.

When they play in Charlotte. Game will be like 80% Bills fans.

If any older peeps remember the Kurt Russell comedy in the 70s--Used Cars "That price is too $#$%%#G high!!!