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Question for you or any others in the thread with an informed opinion. Is it more likely he returns in a shorter timeframe and/or closer to his pre injury abilities than a DB like Tre White? Tre seems unlikely to ever return to form. They both utilize their legs differently of course. Hoecht doesn’t need the same agility as a DB perhaps, but he needs power from his lower body. Any TBDers know of other D lineman that returned from the same injury?

Didn't Hoecht only play 2 games and now Bills fans sing folk songs about him around the campfire ?

They have options. Allen had his typical 2 game mid October skid where he reverts back to rookie Josh Allen and has happy feet, throws off a bad platform, bails out of clean pockets and doesn't take what's there but looks for more. Kinda like last year in Baltimore and Houston games. Now we will see normal Josh Allen the rest of the way. The only team that really can beat the Bills are the Bills.

He played for us for so long, for no reason He’ll be back mid season next. 6 game suspension this year, 6 game PUP next

You could be right. My definitive wording of "only" was probably a mistake. Though it is possible that their focus is on the highest possible pick they can get over accepting a pick that they perceive to be of a lower value plus another pick. But ultimately, even if that idea is correct in a vacuum, I think trading a 4th and a 5th in 2026 plus a 4th in 2027 is a worse option than just beating it with a 3rd. Three picks for a half year of a player like Rashid Shaheed is madness.

Those are Collinsworth's nephews...

I have a funny feeling he'll be back and ready to play next fall. Achilles treatments have advanced alot recently.

Really good video.

I think there is so much more potential on this and while I realize I'm a bum sitting on the toilet with my thoughts and Brady is a professional sitting on the coaches chair with professionals... I think we can do better. We like tight formations but spread our OL out wide. We don't always do this but we create large run lanes with our blocks when we do or let Josh scramble through more open windows when he must. With these tight formations teams pull their defense in but we don't have the speed to exploit it / do not take advantage of it. Several times in 12, often 22 (with Gilliam), or even 23 packages we can put someone taking the top off the defense and complete short passes. We could go back to the RPO we are capable of or just play action. Our running game is going to get us the furthest in the playoffs of all the things we do and protect the defense. However, we have to show the ability to pass deep and scheme the zones open. If anyone has the stats I'd like to see what defenses we are seeing predominantly, man vs zone and coverage calls because I have seen far too much man on the WRs and single high coverage to be happy. Quinton Morris is in Jacksonville

Gilliam and Hawes have been excellent this year. I am waiting for a play action run fake to Cook with Gilliam being the lead and getting behind the defense for a big gain at a critical time.

looks stupid

I'm sorry, but what's the point of this? Why would anyone want to spend time in there when the game is on?

Yup I mean just in this thread what 8 to 10 guys have come forward with stories already or their issues. I’m sure there are many others who don’t care to or are afraid to share their issues. It needs to be normalized when it comes to men. A kid I worked with was going to be a pharmacist and was training to do it, seemed like a good kid, joked around a lot, just one night took his life. There are plenty of of other examples like Kneeland of people who seemed to have bright futures or were rich and it didn’t stop their internal suffering

Guess they have Gilliam confused with Quintin Morris.

We got tickets to see Messi play for Inter Miami on Saturday and a hotel across the street from that stadium. We just got tickets on the Visitor 50 for the Dolphins game. Any suggestions for parking, or things to do the morning of? Any parking suggestions for the game?

Suggestions? Don't wear dark clothing!

Completely sold out. We tried

Until a team slows Kincaid and there is no other option. Having a good TE is an asset, but what happens when they need another blocker or a second option? Coleman isn't it.

Anyone that acts surprised when it happens is new or already lost. They basically have to go heavy defense because to replace Milano, another DT, another DE, maybe a MLB, another safety.

This is why I think it’ll be match-up specific. It really isn’t necessary to have that vs a guy like Tua, Flacco, Rodgers and even Stroud.

I really appreciate you guys sharing your stories. This conversation is another opportunity for the fortunate among us to count our blessings and empathize with the stories of others. I really hope that any of our members who are having tough times feel they can reach out to others here for a needed ear or a hand. Also, don't forget that the Crisis Hotline is 9-8-8.

That's excellent!!

This story is still pissing me off. Men's mental health is neglected too damn much. I've known far too many people to take their own life.

Fish 37 Bills 20 With Benford out, Waddle ends the Hairston honeymoon, going over 200 yards and 3 touchdowns. Cook doesn't play more than a quarter before tweaking his ankle, and the run game does nowhere without him. The Bills keep it close, before a late turnover puts the Phins up 34-20. A late FG ends it and Tua takes the kneel down.