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Last night's game reminded me of the home night game against the Jets where plays were coming in late, the offense was totally out of sync and dysfunctional but hit a couple of explosives to make it look better than it was, the defense failed in big moments, and right afterwards Greg Roman was fired. So it's not out of the question in my mind.

I'm a chatty cathy and a bit of a peter poster, but i almost never start threads. I was doing a lil lookly loo into the numbers and while i love the inside baseball part of football and all the match ups and esoterica and such, just like in the real world, the bigger picture is very often the clearer one. since 2023 the bills average .12 EPA per drop back on the road and .25 at home. .12 is decent, .25 is elite. in the playoffs our epa per play on O is like .2, which is shockingly good. our expected record this season is 6.8 -4.2, so just about exactly how the games have turned out. we lost 4 games, all of which we were strong to very strong favorites in. it is my belief that the handicappers get it right much much more than they get it wrong, so we lost 4 games we shoulda won, two we were mad favorites in (NE and the fish on the road, 6.5-9pt favs in both), one that was slight (3.5 vs atl) and last night (5-6pt favs). our team plays a goofy frustrating kind of football, where it looks like we are either brilliant or useless, on both d and o, but frankly that's the modern nfl. everyone plays the analysis game and does the things that give them their best advantage even if it's not entirely their team's "identity" so it doesn't look like the kgun bills o or the 85 bears d because all teams mix coverage, formations on o, and teams all go nickel and dime way more often than before on d. nfl football is high level rock paper scissors with athletes and emotions and execution mixed in to muddy it up. now, if i step away from my beloved minutia and numbers, and look at what counts the most, it's a really clear picture. we are a bad road team. we dropped 4 of 11 this season, 3 on the road. atl was a kinda tough game for us at the time, but we took a huge dump there. miami was the same thing, in the end the d epa was atrocious, but the o is what we lean on and it sucked. 3 TOs kills us every time except for tampa where we forced two ourselves and allen went super sayan. houston was our only negative O performance of the season where we had a positive D and special teams (and only 1 of 4 games where we had a net positive d and special teams) and boy was it negative vs what we can do. the only games we've been in where any offense has been worse than ours was last night was carolina and the jests, just like the houston game that was vs back up qbs (altho tyrod is better than fields was vs the jets, they just suck). the jets and the panthers were the only offenses who played worse than ours did vs houston, although the saints were nearly as cheeks. we have two wins on the road, one was at the jets who suck and it was a bills crowd, and vs the back up qb panthers, where it was also a bills crowd. 5 road teams, 3 losses, our only 3 negative epa games on o (turnovers). two wins vs basically back up qbs (the o was good in those games tho). we lose when we turn the ball over we snuck a win over tampa with 3 turnovers, but we got 2 of our own and as said before the passing game caught fire and allen when he's on sets and then breaks nfl records. in our 4 losses, we have 11 turnovers, and the real number is worse than that because we also got stopped a few times going for it on 4th down. we are -8 in those 4 losses. we would be better with a better run d, we'd be better with more talent than the 31st or 32nd WR room in the nfl, we'd be better if we didn't have all these bad injuries stacked up on the DL and CB in particular, we'd be better if our coaches made better adjustments (i will say, when mcd calls the d, the second half adjustments are elite tho). we'd be better if we didn't overpay to extend good to really good players (benford, groot, shakir) and meh to good players (milano, knox, taron, bernard) at the cost of playing rookie contract guys who are close as makes no difference or even better than them at times and having resources to bring in a couple elite guys. we'd be better if we brought in healthy and impact guys (bosa has been impact, but his had is a club, so even tho he's playing he's not healthy). and we'd be way better if we found religion and didn't play down to our opponents (saints and miami in home wins, atl, hou, and miami in road losses). all of that comes out in the wash vs the things we actually do well to make us a top team. we aren't leading the division and vying for the one seed for the simple reasons above -- we suck the bag on the road and we turn the ball over in the games we lose. we are like 1 or 2 games over 500 on the road since 2023, and we've never won a road playoff game. it's as simple as that.

Very fair and very accurate assessment. The question is.. how much is that skillset worth?

Tim Settle was the insult to injury. Couldn’t tie his shoes with us, but is Reggie White when he’s got real DL talent around him.

The defense did play better when Shaq took over. Shows how bernard holds them back

(Non-Iran/Israel) Events in Iran are moving fast. Tehran Faces Evacuation As Water Supplies Reach Zero and the City Sinks Into the Desert Mother Nature may accomplish something that neither the U.S. nor Israel could ever have contemplated: the evacuation of Tehran's 9.7 million inhabitants. Iran is currently experiencing its fifth consecutive year of drought, and the autumnal rainfall is about a quarter of that in 2024, that would be two millimeters. In short, Tehran is facing a "Day Zero" catastrophe. "Zero day" is probably shortly after January 1. The Amir Kabir Dam, once a vital lifeline holding over 160,000 acre-feet, now languishes at a mere 8 percent capacity, or about a two-week supply for Tehran. In terms of reservoir capacity, isn’t huge. It is about the size of the Canyon Dam on Texas’s Guadalupe River or the Smith Mountain Dam on Virginia’s Roanoke River. But when you plop it down in the middle of the desert and make your nation’s capital and a lot of your agriculture dependent on it for water, it takes on a significance all its own. The other reservoirs in the five-dam system that supplies Tehran with water — Latyan, Lar, Mamloo, and Taleqan — are in equally poor condition. At Latyan, only half of the current 10 percent fill can be used. Lar is at one percent, Mamloo at seven percent, and Taleqan, which is about twice the size of Amir Kabir, is at 30 percent capacity. Iran is drought-prone; indeed, it is the middle of the most severe drought in 57 years, but that isn’t what is causing the current crisis. It is the logical and foreseeable outcome of decades of environmental neglect and Soviet-style mismanagement that has turned a naturally arid climate into a national emergency. Iran’s groundwater has been depleted, primarily in an effort to surge agriculture to deal with a booming population. Tehran is sinking at a rate of 25 cm per year as the aquifers collapse. This poses a threat to utilities, subways, and the structural integrity of buildings. It is hard to imagine that the settling hasn't caused leaks in water mains. To be clear, this is not a Tehran problem; this is an Iran problem. The drought affects the whole country, and 30 of Iran’s 31 provinces are experiencing land subsidence due to unchecked groundwater extraction. https://redstate.com/streiff/2025/11/10/the-end-is-near-tehran-faces-evacuation-as-water-supplies-reach-zero-and-the-city-sinks-into-the-desert-n2196051 .

Edward's and Torrence especially looked like rookies out there. Wow, did they whiff big time.

Spencer Brown was rough before getting hurt, but battled through injury and at least looks like he cares. He was miserable on the bench and looked completely dejected when the coach came over to tell him his night is over. Can you imagine him making the types of comments Dion makes? I can’t.

Makes you wonder why we support this joke of a team and organization. I totally disagree 100% with this take. We have one of the best Quarterbacks in the league. We won’t need multiple years of losing to right the ship. A good coach and a good OC next year would completely change this organizations losing mentality.

I think it's a bit of both. Our WR room is right near the bottom in the NFL, if not dead last. Maybe the Titans are worse. It's close with the Browns/Raiders. Saying that, I don't love Joe Brady's passing concepts. And I think I'm starting to see why Carolina didn't either. They are just not imagentive at all. He goes back to the same simple concepts, which are good sometimes, but feel a lot like they work better in college ball but not so much in the NFL. Expecially when you've been found out by a defense.

and we've been dealing with injuries everywehere else but QB yet we remain at 7-4, sorry I am tired of people thinking that QB injuries alone impact team performance. Injuries to all of them except Moore.

What bothers me is that game could have been easily won, even though the defense was really bad in the first half. “They had 12 hits on Josh, eight sacks. That’s not a healthy formula right there,” McDermott said. “It’s not a healthy way to play or a healthy way to keep our quarterback healthy through the remainder of the season.” We ALL held our breath when he went down in that game. If I ever see Joe Brady in RL I will give him some of my mind. That could have been the season-ender or even career.

Okay I feel less crazy now. Despite our horrendous run defense, Rousseau has been the bright spot there IMO. In terms of pass rushing, he is what he's always been; he sets the edge and generally does a good job of seeing how the QB slides up or out of the pocket and then he reacts and finishes the play. Even dating back to college, basically all of his sacks were plays where someone else got the initial pressure and Rousseau finished the play. It's a valuable skill to have but not really the kind of skill that will dominate games and put fear in the QB. He's a good player, but his skillset is one that lends itself to him being dependent on his teammates to really shine and as we've lost guys like Oliver, Hoecht, etc., and Bosa's play has slipped, that's eroded Rousseau's ability to be a difference maker too.

I don't agree with that. The defense played great against Kansas City and great against Carolina. Meanwhile, our offense put up 19, 13, and 14 points against the Texans, Dolphins, and Falcons. The offense went completely anemic against those teams. And both the Texans game and Falcons game were easily in reach for the Bills to win if the offense had been even average.

One of the most glaring consistent things that confuses the heck out of me since Daboll left especially... we sign or trade for players like Cooper, Moore, Samuel, Palmer, Claypool, and I'm sure there are others that I can't remember right now, but then they hardly see the field. We're not adapting or adjusting at all.

What about the non working play clock? That seemed to mess up several bills plays and if I remember correctly wedidn't score on that drive. How often do we see that happen in a game? Never.

Maybe less pizza and bowling nights out. Maybe being friends with everyone on the team is overrated. I am not in the locker room, but my general feeling is there is no player who really holds other players accountable. Maybe that is not Allen's nature but maybe that needs to change. I would say the team may need a few Richie Incognito types around. This feel good vibe certainly doesnt look like it is working. Dawkins doesn't even seem upset at the losses. Odd stuff.

The only thing Rousseau has been elite at is making opposing offenses look good.

I don't fall into either one of those camps. I just realize that making an organizational change means a multi-year rebuild while a new GM and HC reset the cap and roster to play how they want to play. We might as well completely pull off the band-aid and trade the franchise QB too, because he would be mid-30's before we would be ready to contend again, and that's only if they get all those moves right. And the next few drafts have very few QBs in them, even if you have a top pick. Also, if the Bills trade the QB they immediately go back to being a small market where no one wants to play. So, I think the Bills are screwed. I see no way out. My mood today is, "just move the franchise to Toronto so I can stop caring." I'm actually mad that the lease on the new stadium makes that impossible. I can't believe that WNY invested all that money, just to watch a 4-win team in the cold.

My tune has changed in many ways on the roster and performance. I’m really trying to remain pragmatic, but these guys are getting ridiculous. GROOT is mediocre at best, Jones is getting old, Oliver and Hoecht are out now, Milano was my favorite player, but now is truly getting old. Beane has done a p&$s poor job in finding WRs and just plain special players in multiple areas. McD holds the final call on promoting Brady who is out of his league. McD needs to take over the defense as Babich clearly needs help. I’m over it. We now have kissed the AFCE Division winners goodbye, and be on the road for maybe a wildcard win, but then lose in the divisional round AGAIN! This is not a SB caliber team. I’ve had a number of you upset with me at times for trying to see the positive, but I’ve had it. At a minimum Pegula needs to force McD after the season to rehire if he wants it Daboll as OC, take over the defense, and Beane should be gone. Anything less is window dressing. Not real change, and real change is needed.

We clearly paid him thinking he’d make a jump as a pass rusher, and just like Benford, Bernard and Shakir, that jump hasn’t come. They absolutely did not extend him at his contract to be a run defender. I guarantee you the FO is upset at the play of all 4 of these guys after getting paid, especially Benford, Bernard and Rousseau.

We are lacking the basics of blocking and tackling. So many whiffs on blocks. Also Houston tackled and wrapped up continuously. Us, on the other hand, were making contact and getting run through. Tons of missed tackles. Been seeing that all year.