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Wow, three night home games in the first five weeks…what a way to start the season.

Thanks for the in-depth. I sound like a broken record, but McBeane is good, not great. It’s that last 5% that they just can’t quite seem to pull off that a very few other teams are able to do to get over the hump. Who knows. Maybe they’ll improve. Or maybe we get lucky one of these years. It’s a game of inches (*cough*Andvegashollywoodbs*cough*)

Already bought tickets for 11/02 vs Chiefs on stubhub! Let’s go!!!

Since he presumably was an illegal, why didn't they tour only in the US? Elvis never toured outside the US because his manager, "Col." Tom Parker was Dutch and immigrated illegally and wouldn't be let back in.

yep…just gone from 6 weeks to 7 weeks to get ready … Let’s hope they hit the ground running ….at Car, KC, at MIA, TB

You didn't vote for him. You don't need to trust him. So just decide how to handle the next 3+ years: angry, sad, defeated, indifferent, joyful, planning who you're going to vote for next. Doesn't matter really, except to you. Now if you voted for KAMALA you do have some things to figure out. Namely, if you're going to vote for her as governor if she runs. Also if you like what the Democrats are doing in your state. Maybe you do! Hopefully they'll get that Palisades area rebuilt but who knows. You really have bigger local issues to consider than whether or not Trump is 'fulfilling your expectations' or 'lying to you.'

So did AB

The first games, except Baltimore, really work with the suspensions also.

What we're concerned with is what the Bills should be paying him. If the Bills plan to continue to use him as a 50% snap RB, which is what it looks like with the current stable of RBs being the same as last year, then the Bills would want to pay him for that role. It's not many of us wish that he signs elsewhere, it may be a lot of posters wish that Cook would embrace the role he has.

This is actually an extension of a conversation from the "Beane elaborates on the process of picking Josh Allen" topic. But, I thought that I would start a new thread, so more people would weigh in (and because this will be a long post). So, in the other topic, I mentioned that some posters will point out that Philly has drafted more impact players than the Bills. And I pointed out that that isn't surprising, considering most of those impact players came in the last four years when Philly picked significantly higher than the Bills in the draft. For reference again, here are the 1st and 2nd round picks the Eagles and the Bills have had in the first two rounds over the last 4 years. They had 4 picks higher than our best pick, so not surprising that Roseman has picked more impact players over that span, imo. Philly picks: 9, 10, 13, 21, 30, 37, 51, 53 Bills picks: 23, 25, 30, 54, 59, 61. 63 I then linked an old post where I compared Beane's last 4-5 drafts with K.C.'s and Tampa Bay's drafts. Why K.C. and Tampa? Because those are the only two other teams to make the playoffs in each of the last 5 seasons (along with Buffalo). So, K.C. and Tampa are the only teams who have picked relatively close to where the Bills have picked over that same span (to have a fair comparison for Beane's drafts). Roscoe responded as follows: Well, I went through all of the drafts going back to 2017 (posted below). I can answer the average draft position question, but I'd love for people to weigh in on Roscoe's second question. Have all three teams found more impact players than the Bills in that span (and by how much)? Sometimes I think we as fans look at the Bills in a vaacum. We'll point out all of Beane's bad picks and knock him for it, but not actually compare it to the full body of work of other GMs. We just point out other GMs good picks and put them on a pedestal. We don't seem to knock other GMs (as much) for their bad picks or bad draft years. But, I'll leave it up to you guys. As Roscoe asked, here are the last 8 drafts for four of the more successful teams in the league over that span (the draft pick/number is in parentheses---and forgive me for any misspellings of player's names): San Francisco: 2017: (3) Solomon Thomas DE, (31) Reuben Foster LB, (66) Ahkello Witherspoon CB, (104) C.J. Beathard DB, (121) Joe Williams RB, (146) George Kittle TE, (177) Trent Taylor WR, (198) D.J. Jones DT, (202) Pita Taumoepuna CB, (229) Adrien Culbert DB. 2018: (9) Mike McGlinchey T, (44) Dante Pettis WR, (70) Fred Warner LB, (95) Tarvarius Moore S, (128) Kentavius Street DT, (142) D.J. Reed CB, (184) Marcell Harris S, (240), Richie James WR, (223) Julian Taylor DT. 2019: (2) Nick Bosa DE, (36) Deebo Samuel WR, (67) Jalen Hurd WR, (110) Mitch Wishnowsky P, (148 Dre Greenlaw LB, (176) Kaden Smith TE, (183) Justin Skule T, (198) Tim Harris CB. 2020: (14) Javon Kinlaw DT, (25) Brandon Aiyuk WR, (153) Colton McKivitz T, (190) Charlie Woerner TE, (217) Juan Jennings WR. 2021: (3) Trey Lance QB, (48) Aaron Banks OL, (88) Trey Sermon RB, (102) Ambry Thomas DB, (155) Jaylon Moore T, (172) Deommodore Lenoir CB, (180) Talanoa Hufanga S, (194) Elijah Mitchell RB. 2022: (61) Drake Jackson LB, (93) Tyrion Davis-Prince RB, (105) Danny Gray WR, (134) Spencer Burford OL, (172) Samuel Womack CB, (189) Nick Zaken OL, (220) Kalia Davis DT, (221) Tariq Castro-Fields CB, (262) Brock Purdy QB. 2023: (87) Ji'Ayir Brown S, (99) Jake Moody K, (101) Cameron Latu TE, (155) Darrell Luter CB, Robert Beal LB, Dee Winters LB, (247) Brayden Willis TE, (253) Ronnie Bell WR, (255) Jalen Graham S. 2024: (31) Ricky Pearsall WR, (64) Renardo Green DB, (86) Dominick Puni OL, (124) Malik Mustapha DB, (129) Isaac Guerendo RB, (135) Jacob Cowing WR, (215) Jarrett Kingston OL, (251) Tatum Bethune LB. Philadelphia: 2017: (14) Derek Barnett DE, (43) Sydney Jones CB, (99) Rasul Douglas CB, (118) Mack Hollins WR, (132) Donnel Pumphrey RB, (166) Shelton Gibson WR, (184) Nathan Gerry S, (214) Elijah Quails DT. 2018: (49) Dallas Goedert TE, (125) Avonte Maddox CB, (130) Josh Sweat DE, (206) Matt Pryor T, (233) Jordan Mailata T. 2019: (22) Andre Dillard T, (53) Miles Sanders RB, (57) J.J. Arcega-Whiteside WR, (138) Shareef Miller DE, (167) Clayton Thorson QB. 2020: (21) Jalen Reagor WR, (53) Jalen Hurts QB, (103) Davion Taylor LB, (127) K'Von Wallace S, (145) Jack Driscoll G, (168) John Hightower WR, (196) Shaun Bradley LB, (200) Quez Watkins WR, (210) Prince Tega Wanojho T, (233) Casey Tolhill DE. 2021: (10) Devonta Smith WR, (37) Landon Dickerson OL, (73) Milton Williams DL, (123) Zech McPherson DB, (150) Kenneth Gainwell RB, (187) Marlon Tuipulota DL, (191) Tarron Jackson DE, (224) Jacoby Stevens S, (234) Patrick Johnson DE. 2022: (13) Jordan Davis DT, (51) Cam Jurgens OL, (83) Nakobe Dean LB, (181) Kyron Johnson DE, (198) Grant Calcaterra TE. 2023: (9) Jalen Carter, (30) Nolan Smith LB, (65) Tyler Steen OL, Sydney Brown DB, (105) Kelee Ringo DB, (168) Tanner McKee QB, (249) Moro Ojomo DE. 2024: (22) Quinyon Mitchell CB, (40) Cooper Dejean DB, (94) Jalyx Hunt DE, (127) Will Shipley RB, (152) Ainias Smith WR, (155) Jeremiah Trotter, Jr. CB, (185) Johnny Wilson WR, (190) Dylan McMahon OL. Kansas City: 2017: (10) Patrick Mahomes QB, (59) Tanoh Kpassagnon DE, (86) Kareem Hunt RB, (139) Jehu Clesson WR, (183) Ukeme Eligwe LB, (218) Leon McQuay RB. 2018: (46)Breeland Speaks DE, (75) Derrick Nnadi DT, (100) Dorian O'Daniel LB, (124) Armani Watts S, (196) Tremon Smith WR, (198) Khailil McKenzie DT. 2019: (56) Mecole Hardman, (63) Juan Thornhill S, (84) Halen Saunders DT, (201) Rashad Fenton CB, (214) Darwin Thompson RB, (216) Nick Allegretti OL. 2020: (32) Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB, (63) Willie Gay, Jr. LB, (96) Lucas Niang T, (138) L'Jarius Snead S, (177) Michael Danna DE, (237) Thakarius Keyes CB. 2021: (58) Nick Bolton LB, (6) Creed Humphrey OL, (144) Joshua Keindoh DE, (102) Noah Gray TE, (181) Cornell Powell WR, (226) Trey Smith OL. 2022: (21) Trent McDuffie CB, (30) George Karlaftis III DE, (54) Skyy Moore WR, (62) Bryan Cook S, (103) Leo Chenal LB, (135) Joshua Williams CB, (145) Darian Kinnard T, (243) Jaylen Watson DB, (251) Isiah Pacheco RB, (259) Nazah Johnson S. 2023: (31) Felix Anudike-Uzomah DE, (55) Rashee Rice WR, (92) Wanya Morris OL, (119) Chamarri Conner DB, (166) BJ Thompson DE, (194) Keondre Coburn DT, (250) Nic Jones CB. 2024: (28) Xavier Worthy WR, (63) Kingsley Suamataia OL, (131) Jared Wiley TE, (133) Jaden Hicks DB, (211) Kamal Hadden DB, (248) C.J. Hanson OL. Buffalo: 2017: (27) Tre White CB, (37) Zay Jones WR, (63) Dion Dawkins OL, (163) Matt Milano LB, (171) Nathan Peterman QB, (195) Tanner Vallejo LB. 2018: (7) Josh Allen QB, (16) Tremaine Edmunds LB, (96) Harrison Phillips DT, (121) Taron Johnson CB, (154) Siran Neal DB, (166) Wyatt Teller OL, (187) Ray Ray McCloud WR, (258) Austin Proehl WR. 2019: (9) Ed Oliver DT, (38) Cody Ford OL, (74) Devin Singletary RB, (96) Dwson Knox TE, (147) Vosean Joseph LB, (181) Jaquan Johnson CB, (225) Darryl Johnson DE, (228) Tommy Sweeney TE. 2020: (54) A.J. Epenesa DE, (86) Zack Moss RB, (128) Gabe Davis WR, (167) Jake Fromm QB, (188) Tyler Bass K, (207) Isaiah Hodgins WR, (239) Dane Jackson CB. 2021: (30) Greg Rousseau, (61) Boogie Basham DE, (93) Spencer Brown OL, (161) Tommy Doyle OL, (203) Marquez-Stevenson WR, (212) Damar Hamlin S, (213) Rachad Wildgoose CB, (236) Jack Anderson OL. 2022: (23) Kaiir Elam CB, (63) James Cook RB, (89) Terrell Bernard LB, (48) Khalil Shakir WR, (180) Matt Araiza P, (185) Christian Benford CB, (209) Luke Tenuta OL, (231) Baylon Spector LB. 2023: (25) Dalton Kincaid, (59) O'Cyrus Torrence OL, (91) Dorian Williams LB, (150) Justin Shorter WR, (230) Nick Broeker OL, (252) Alex Austin DB. 2024: (33) Keon Coleman WR, (60) Cole Bishop S, (95) DeWayne Carter DT, (128) Ray Davis RB, (141) Sedrick Van Pran-Granger OL, (160) Edefuan Ulofoshio LB, (168) Javon Solomon De, (204) Tylan Grable OL, (219) DaeQuan Hardy CB, (221) Travis Clayton OL. 2016-2024 Team Record Number of Picks Avg. Draft Number Playoff Appearances Conf Champ Appearances SB Appearances SB Wins San Francisco 72-76 66 133.6 4 4 2 0 Philadelphia 90-57 57 121.9 7 3 3 2 Kansas City 112-36 54 126.9 8 7 5 3 Buffalo* 93-54 61 134.3 7 2 0 0 *Obviously McBeane were not here in 2016, when the Bills went 7-9, which is included in the overall record above. But I kept that in because it affected our 2017 draft position. So, over McBeane's tenure, Philly (and KC) have still picked higher than both Buffalo and San Fran on average (obviously, some of that were trades, etc. as Philly had a similar overall record to the Bills and KC had a better record). But, the biggest thing that jumps out to me from that table is Kansas City's record---112 wins, 7 Conference Championship games. People like to knock the Bills for not making the Super Bowl yet, and praise Philadelphia. But, hasn't the Eagles (and Niners) path to the Super Bowl from the NFC been quite a bit easier than Buffalo's, without Kansas City being in their way? I mean Roscoe named San Fran as the other biggest NFC contender over that span and despite two Super Bowl appearances, they don't even have an above .500 record over that stretch. But, let me know what you guys think in regards to drafting impact players, or comparing Beane's drafts overall to the other three teams (if you actually took the time to read this very long post. 😬🙂). Obviously, each GM has their misses (even in the first two rounds). Interesting to note, all four teams got a franchise QB over that stretch. And I honestly think (may be my Bills bias), you could argue that Buffalo was either first or second in at least three of those eight drafts (despite a couple of clunker years from Beane---but the other GMs had some clunkers too). Go Bills!

My apologies if the response seemed challenging. I only meant it as light-hearted, loving those who predict a Lombardi Trophy for the Bills. 😊 No offense intended.

I've seen a lot worse. It was a hard hit for sure. He hits Coleman before his feet even come to the turf. Well timed, not late. His shoulder pads are at the ball, likely trying to knock it loose. Result was the top of his helmet is in the head and neck area, which is a penalty on a defenseless receiver. SUMMARY: Hard hit on the ball, resulted in a justified penalty, a broken wrist or whatever, and helped the Bills to victory.

The Week 7 Bye works really well with our suspensions. Gives Hoecht and Ogunjobi multiple weeks to get ready.

I have no issues with new threads, just pointing out every single "____ says ____ about the Bills!" thread inevitably gets merged with THIS thread. That's why I gave a heads-up that this thread exists.

I know, the heat and all. But I've enjoyed the Buffalo v the heat/Miami v the snow rivalry. Kinda wish they'd keep that going.

I'm just happy elite RBs are finally getting paid again. People have been treating the position like anyone is easily replaced, yet time & time again RBs come along that prove this untrue. Henry & Saquon deserve to be paid like the star players they are. It's why I'm annoyed that Bills fans don't want to pay James Cook $13 - $15 million a year. After wasting years of Josh Allen's career trying to find a running game, they finally found a guy that can provide one. For a position that's supposedly a "dime a dozen" & easy to replace, the Bills failed time & time again to establish a legit run game. Meanwhile, under-performing defensive players, who were already getting paid more than Cook (despite Cook having significantly higher impact on the team's success) get extended & paid way more. Buffalo just extended Rousseau to a $20 million a year contract... with his whopping 6 sacks a season. But nah, don't pay the guy who contributed 1,200+ yards & 18 total TDs, because he's "JUST" a RB. And this is after Josh Allen's passing numbers dropped significantly, which in turn reduced his huge amount of turnovers, leading to our best scoring offense ever, all because we had a reliable run game. But instead we'll extend defensive players that didn't do jack against the Chiefs in the playoffs (again). You know who DID carry his weight in the playoffs? James Cook.

I think of a master manipulator as somebody with good soft skills. Somebody who leads people places without them knowing. Kinda like McBeane do to Pegula. What Diggs does is more of a temper tantrum. I guess it's still manipulation but more like a toddler than a shrude people manager.

See : Cole Beasely ( Sp )

Also...

Cook's "asking price" has been 20m so not sure how it can "go up" from this. It doesn't change my expectations on what his deal ends up being.

It prevents someone like him from having to think.

He's always a saint in the beginning...

He is and always was a wonderful person and I'm very happy for the man.