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The bills used to be the place where NFL careers died 15 years ago.. if you got cut from the bills your career was over Now guys we cut usually get a lot of interest Lewis and Ingram 100% would get another contract ... There are worse back half of roster guys

I don't know much about any attitude issues in NY or Cleveland. But, if that is the case, I can understand that as a concern. But, it also can depend on why he was disgruntled (if he was). Was he just frustrated about not winning (his teams went 25-68 over the last 4 years, 3 losing seasons, a 3-win season, and a 4-win season). QB play? Or was it due to lack of work ethic or issues with coaches or teammates, etc. So, if it was the former, well the Bills win a lot and as they say winning solves a lot of issues. And our locker room is so strong that it can handle a couple of guys that may not be perfect Bills DNA. But would they have brought him in if they thought his attitude, etc. was that bad? It's hard for me to think that Beane and McD would be ok with a guy who has bad work ethic, or attitude with coaches/teammates, etc. Maybe we'll find he's like Diggs (attitude-wise, not skill-wise), or maybe he'll turn things around in a better organization with a better QB. And I know it has been repeated by a number of posters, but I think it's tough to judge him too harshly on last year (2024). -His offensive coordinator was Ken Dorsey -Cleveland is a mess of a franchise -They were a 3-win team -He had 4 different quarterbacks in 2024 and none of them were good [Deshaun Watson (7 games), Joe Flacco (6 games), Dorian Thompson-Robinson (3 games), Bailey Zappe (1 game)]. I would expect it isn't the easiest thing for a receiver to adjust to 4 different QBs in one season. And 2023 wasn't any better from a QB standpoint. In 2023, 5 QBs started for the Browns: Watson (6 games), Flacco (5 games), Dorian T-R (3 games), P.J. Walker (2 games), and Jeff Drskell (1 game). So, again, not only were his QBs bad, but for 2 years it was a constant rotation of 6 different QBs. Alex Van Pelt was his offensive coordinator. How about 2022 with the Jets? Yep, once again, 4 different starting QBs. Wilson (9 games), Flacco (4 games), Mike White (4 games), Chris Steveler (1 game). How about 2021: Yep, 4 different QBs again. Wilson (13 games), Flacco (1 game), Mike White (3 games), Josh Johnson (did not have a start, but played in 3 games). Honestly, how many WRs are going to thrive in that situation? Your first 4 years in the league: 2 teams, 3 offensive coordinators, and 10 different QBs throwing the ball to you. It means in your first 68 games, your QB changed at least 14 different times (probably more if guys were say in and out with injuries or whatever). That's a different QB (at least) every 4.8 games on average. And that also leads me to player development. The Jets are obviously horrible at player development, as are the Browns. So, how much proper teaching/training did he actually get, etc. Plus, 3 of those 4 years he was learning a new offense, plus all of the QB turnover. Never having one guy to settle in with. The Bills happen to actually be very good at player development. So, maybe they can help him raise his game (in a more stable environment). And I don't expect him to go off and have some crazy year or anything (I mean, he's WR5, how much do you actually expect of your 5th receiver). But, I also think that it's crazy not to believe that having Josh (and only Josh) throwing him the ball instead of the myriad of ever-changing garbage QBs he's had won't improve his game (even if his overall numbers aren't big due to number of targets in our offense). To be fair here, I have not watched a lot of Elijah Moore's games, etc. So, the naysayers may be right. I just find it hard, like others, to think that a young player who has probably had very little positive development, was with horrible organizations, and had a carousel of bad QBs constantly rotating doesn't still have room to grow and improve. I think it's a bit unfair to write his career off after just 4 years, with the circumstances he's faced (even if some of it was self-inflicted---if say he forced his way out of NY or whatever). He may never be a star, but I'm not sure how some posters can be so positive that he can't continue to improve or become at least a viable 5th option/injury fill in. I mean, I don't love his career catch percentage (or the ypc last year)...but I'm optimistic with our staff and Josh throwing him the ball that he can continue to get better as a player...and maybe reach some of his potential. For the naysayers, do you really think that the circumstances of his early career might not have stunted or affected his growth/development at all? Do you really think he has no room for growth as just a 5th year guy (25 years old)? Do you really think that the Bills organization and having Josh as your QB might not make him a better player (considering where he is coming from)? I'm willing to give him a chance to show us that he's better than what he's shown so far and that he still has room for growth/improvement.

Weird. They actually realize that the importer (themselves) would pay their own tariffs so they simply exempt the tariffs from imports that they need most. It's almost as weird as the US exempting smart phone and computer imports made in China from tariffs because it would hurt the importer (us) the most. I like how we're seeing in real time how dumb starting a tariff war is.

Was listening to one bills live the other day and from the callers calling in about Moore, you'd have thunk we just traded for Diggs again in 2020😅. People were legit saying he's one of the best in the nfl. I'm all for this signing, and hopefully he becomes one of the best in the nfl, but man, people can be such Homers

I can see why Cleveland is doing this. I wish that Buffalo had done this more often during the drought era. As bleak as the QB room looks in Cleveland, it was much worse in some years here. Buffalo would rest their laurels on Tyler Thigpen or Jeff Tuel as competition for a shaky starter for years. When they finally did something similar to what Cleveland is doing in 2015 with EJ Manual, Tyrod Taylor and Matt Cassel, they ending up improving their situation from past year by discovering Tyrod who was the best that we had in awhile before Allen came around.

There is a lot more WRs drafted in that same area as him that have done nothing. Him and Jeuty played different rolls in the O. Moore still caught 60 balls out of 100 targets with 35 considered uncatchable. So is he to blame for the uncatchable passes or the QB?

The very essence of DEI programs is to limit the talent pool and because of this lower standards across the board.

But you didn’t have commercials. It does seem that when I flip around I usually hit on commercials, so I keep going.

I saw one a few years ago, people flying to NYC, but snowstorms forced them to land in Buffalo. So they decided to drive. Took them four days to drive from Buffalo to NYC. I’ve done that drive in about six hours.

Love how Beane saw the weakness and just brought in player after player via FA and Draft and they can battle it out , those rooms will both go from a weakness to a strength. To a lesser degree I'd add WR to that. Palmer/Moore >>>> Washed up Coop/Mack

Populism always leads to political instability. You chose this! Yes, greatness comes from diversity. You cannot limit your talent pool. That’s the point of these programs.

I am just going to continue enjoy the greatest ride in franchise history for as long as McBeanes can make it last. Simple as that. Go Bills. Or should I say, Keep Going Bills.

As Allen does to every Defense he faces. See MVP

Cincinnati because they have zero fear of our team. Why would they? We haven't beaten them. That is a monkey I would like to see this team get off their back - boils down to defense too. The last few meetings they ate up our defense that basically gave up everything underneath and waiting for their timing offense and receivers with good hands to make a mistake - ended up looking like a knife going through butter. They just ate up yards, TOP, and scored on just about every possession. Would like to see if this defense has evolved to challenge the 1st and maybe 2nd reads you have to take away with more elite QB play.

I’m no expert in relationships, but she knows what she wants. I don’t see how anything could possibly go wrong. 🤷‍♂️

There was this one lady offering perks to Mr Irrelevant https://q1057.com/hot-girl-wants-mr-irrelevant-in-nfl-draft-2012-video/

But if possible we should spell him.

The defense was nonexistent on our side. They were cutting through them like a hot knife through butter.

He said good WRs. I know jack squat when it comes to evaluating WR's. Trends are much easier to identify though. If you can find a disappointing WR given where he was drafted that breaks out in year five despite given ample opportunity his first four years to prove himself let me know. Even with bad Browns QB play last year when they targeted Jeudy they had a 94.7% passer rating. When they targeted Moore they had a 42.4% passer rating which put him 98th of 98th qualifying WR's according to PFF. Ideally, if he makes the team he is our 5th WR who I pray will only see the field if one of the top four are injured.

I appreciate the kind words. I suppose I land on the side of upside. I think if Moore can’t produce with Allen then his career is likely cooked, but I feel there is still upside there. If they had given Moore the Josh Palmer contract I would have lost it. But to me, all one year deals are no risk propositions. And I do like Moore better than anyone we could have drafted but I think Jeudy is just better. You hope that Royals or Horton have a year like Moore did last year. I think it is ok to like the signing but also keep hopes in line with what is reasonable.

Pretty sad when Hughes is considered a top 3 defensive end in Bills history. Only two seasons with 10 sacks, zero pro bowls, zero all pros. The Bills don't really have a great history of pass rushers outside of Bruce Smith. Schobel was pretty darn good, though.

I see a lot of people referencing our previous success vs Baltimore, but to me the only match ups I put any weight in from a predictive standpoint occurred last year. This Baltimore offense is much different without Greg Roman who really dragged them down (and will likely do the same for the Chargers). Baltimore is also capable of beating us by more than a TD where KC can never pull away. Ultimately Baltimore just doesn't have the championship DNA, so I certainly understand why so many say it's KC. I can also see a path where Houston could join this conversation which is why I listed them (certainly over the Chargers). That defense they have is very physical. They really eroded with injuries toward the end of the year, but held multiple QB's to some of the worst QBR's in the last decade. Not just Allen, but multiple QB's. Then looking at how they moved the ball on us in the first half. Physical back with Mixon, who is older but still producing. They could give us some issues. Ultimately, I think the general pecking order remains unchanged. It's Buffalo/Baltimore/Kansas City at the very top of the food chain from my view.

If America came back from the pandemic this is a minor bump in the road that you're trying to (in true form) blow completely out of proportion !! As usual - Orange man bad ...

yea. Most folks predict that. I am not one of them. But he is a blue chip player regardless

Yes, I forgot about him, simply because we know he won't be healthy for a significant portion of the season.