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So we'll put you down as "can't wait for next year".

Kincaid is about the only player on this roster with elite route running ability. His injury issues are maddening, but 17 games and I think he’s a legit 1000+ 8 TDs a year kind of TE. You shouldn’t be so quick to give up on a position that is notoriously hard to draft correctly. The Bills receivers are a joke, but I look at Kincaid & Shakir as core building blocks. They need more talent around them to really hit their true potential.

Are you for real with this take?

All jokes aside. Josh has been bad in several ganes this year. Blame it on all of the obvious is fair, but Josh also has to shoulder blame, as he has been not going through his progressions fast enough, he's broke the pocket when he didn't need to on numerous occasions, as well as not using one his key strengths, which is running when no one is open. It's like he hesitant more than ever to run, when in years past he killed defenses with his legs when his guys weren't open. This has been broken down by many experts that love Josh Allen that watch the film and know what they are looking at.

banned for having an opinion? Why

Whomever called that pay needs to be sat down and explained how down and distance work. Whomever called that play again after showing the other team the plan before a timeout needs to find a new job. it was not 3 and 1 it was freaking 4 and 1

Just so as to determine the depth of ignorance/stupidity?

Maybe the Bills should run a lot of screen passes. See if that works.

Maybe because they gave up a lot of yards to us?

Josh hasn't had a great month, take out the KC game. But his oline isn't playing as well as the last two seasons (still decent but particularly last year it was outstanding), his receivers are the worst in the NFL, his best receiving tight end is now hurt. Basically if a team can take away Cook the Bills O has very little else to lean on. You can blame Josh for that, or blame Brady for that, or blame both of them. I'm clear where the majority of the blame should lie - at the GM's door. Because he is the reason that the outside receivers are absolutely dreadful. And I'm sorry if you can't threaten deep and outside in the NFL your margin for error is small. Josh and Cook our two best players committed one turnover each yesterday day on drives where we looked like scoring. And that's it for this offense. Too much to overcome. Pack up the tent and go home. That's a result of how the offense is built. No amount of snark to two radio guys changes that fact.

I remember that game. All running but it was still fun to watch.

How would you find a good outside OC? You have the choice between hiring a QB coach or something equivalent from the outside who may never have called plays, maybe you can find someone available in a similar situation as Brady who was an OC, but got fired a year or two ago and is now a QB coach someplace. Dorsey would also fit that profile exactly actually. Or hire an OC from some team that just fired their entire coaching staff. Maybe some OC from the college ranks, but these days, that may mean taking a big pay cut. Not likely some team with an existing OC would give permission to hire theirs. As for Babich, not likely you're going to get the hot DC coordinator to come here as they know they will be working under McD. Look at how it went for Bieniemy in KC. He finally left to go to Washington as knew he wasn't getting a HC job while under Reids shadow. That's really not a knock of fault if McD, that's just the reality of the league. Whatever side of the ball the HC is from, makes it tough to get a good coordinator on that same side.

As well it should be.

This is what I am trying to tell people. I started a Gabe Davis thread after the game. At this point, anything is an upgrade to what we have. Yes, it’s Beane’s fault for putting the Bills in this position in the first place.

I think the OP is on to something here. Let's just hear him/her out. Please elaborate in more detail.

This seems like a pretty bad read of that play. The safety was watching Allen the whole time and was positioned to get over to Coleman if the ball went that way.

I’m up for it. Though, not convinced Brady would know how to use any receiver we’d add, but why not add someone with speed who is currently out there like a Diontae Johnson, Mecole Hardman, DJ Chark? Admittedly, no great options, but this team is desperate for someone the safeties have to at least respect. I’d even settle for Bobby Trees who is old and no burner, but could probably get open and a reliable target in the intermediate pass game.

Whether it does or doesn’t remains to be seen. It’s very clear though that the heat has turned up in the court of public opinion.

you really think he’s going to step aside? Like honestly

So far away Doesn't anybody stay in one place any more? It would be so fine to see your face at my door Doesn't help to know you're just time away Long ago I reached for you and there you stood Holding you again could only do me good How I wish I could But you're so far away

There's only so many times the Fins, Jets or Pats are gonna get their teeth kicked in by Allen/McDermott. It is their SuperBowl as long as the Bills continue to rule the AFC East. Which is looking bleak at this point. I look forward to when Drake Maye and the Pats start getting this treatment. Next season will be harder for them.

Which of these is better? a) 111 receptions (159 targets), 1,280 yards, 7 TDs, 11.53 YPC b) 63 receptions (93 targets), 1,041 yards, 5 TDs, 16.52 YPC

Do it as OC and keep Mcdonkeys hand out of the offense.

It is wild how the vibes were pretty good post KC... and then they decided to not improve the roster, then run PR to try and save face, and then the team itself looked as inspired as mayo. Strange as it sounds they looked like a team checked out whether it was underestimating Miami or because no one was brought in. Either way I have been a Beane backer for years and I am now firmly good with him leaving and a general clean sweep. He has successfully wasted a year of Josh's prime with his inaction at WR. I understood 2024 being a reset year etc.. but WR wise even just drafting a few guys would've helped immensely to diversify this group. Instead he was arrogant, doubled down including bashing those who questioned it only to now look like a fool.