Griswold Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 AVP is a class act. I can't put my finger on specific reasons, but my image of AVP is as a class act. Having said that, his credentials to be OC are about the same as Turk = backup QBs with thin and mediocre records. Actually, if you like player W-L records, Turk handily beats AVP. As starter: Turk is 7-5, AVP is 2-5. I think the key to AVP success will be whether he tries to "overhaul" the system, or whether he tries to "refine" it gradually. If AVP comes in with gradual changes to the Schonert system, he will experience moderate success. If he comes in with a system rebuild, we're doooomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 AVP is a class act. I can't put my finger on specific reasons, but my image of AVP is as a class act. Having said that, his credentials to be OC are about the same as Turk = backup QBs with thin and mediocre records. Actually, if you like player W-L records, Turk handily beats AVP. As starter: Turk is 7-5, AVP is 2-5. I think the key to AVP success will be whether he tries to "overhaul" the system, or whether he tries to "refine" it gradually. If AVP comes in with gradual changes to the Schonert system, he will experience moderate success. If he comes in with a system rebuild, we're doooomed. Are you suggesting that because they were similar players that they will be similar coaches? Because Gary Kubiak and Jason Garrett fall under those guidelines as well and they did fine as OC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hmmm... It actually took longer than I thought for this type of useless analysis of the AVP/Schonert situation to come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 AVP is a class act. I can't put my finger on specific reasons, but my image of AVP is as a class act. Having said that, his credentials to be OC are about the same as Turk = backup QBs with thin and mediocre records. Actually, if you like player W-L records, Turk handily beats AVP. As starter: Turk is 7-5, AVP is 2-5. I think the key to AVP success will be whether he tries to "overhaul" the system, or whether he tries to "refine" it gradually. If AVP comes in with gradual changes to the Schonert system, he will experience moderate success. If he comes in with a system rebuild, we're doooomed. His credentials are actually slightly better than Turk's: van Pelt has no track record of being a suck-ass offensive coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 His credentials are actually slightly better than Turk's: van Pelt has no track record of being a suck-ass offensive coordinator. Succinct and dead on ... no way to say it more effectively than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 AVP will do just fine. heck, it cant possible get any worse than it was for the last 6 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 AVP will do just fine. heck, it cant possible get any worse than it was for the last 6 weeks He cant do any worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 AVP will do just fine. heck, it cant possible get any worse than it was for the last 6 weeks Oh, it can very easily get worse. As of next Thursday, the games mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 With Schonert, we weren't going to make the playoffs. So really, there was absolutely nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 --- will do just fine. heck, it cant possible get any worse than it was for the last 6 weeks Let's play a fill in the name game, and expand that for the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gflande1 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 If you want to bring in a backup quarterback that has experience around the no huddle, why not hire Frank Reich. He has to be a better option than Turd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVJ Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 As soon as I saw the headlines that Shonert was fired....I said to myself....Old Ralph wont hire anyone...he will probably make Vanpelt OC. And sure enough I was right. It was predictable. This sh-- has got to stop. Im sure the water boy will be promoted to QB coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Oh, it can very easily get worse. As of next Thursday, the games mean something. how can it get worse than the first team offense not scoring a point dating back to last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Succinct and dead on ... no way to say it more effectively than that. Please have the 'Lil Darlin' in your avatar say an extra prayer for all of us. WE NEED IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I think it's based on the idea that everything the Bills do turns to feces. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JavaKeith Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 If you want to bring in a backup quarterback that has experience around the no huddle, why not hire Frank Reich. He has to be a better option than Turd I was just saying that to my wife as we were discussing the big news. I would LOVE for us to bring back Frank! He is currently in his first year as QB Coach in Indy - working with Peyton Manning. If we can't get him this year, let's recruit him for next year! The FRANK for OC campaign begins!... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 MEMO To: A. Van Pelt From: D. Jauron cc: R. Wilson Hey Alex-- You're the new OC. Please prepare our gameplan for the Patriots* next week. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It's really more the playcalling itself. Do you call a pass play on 3rd and 1 or up the gut? Maybe a screen? Same offensive system, just hopefully more aggressive and a variety of plays. Maybe even a screen pass or god forbid a play over 10 yards will be called. Good luck Alex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJBuffalo Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It's really more the playcalling itself. Do you call a pass play on 3rd and 1 or up the gut? Maybe a screen? Same offensive system, just hopefully more aggressive and a variety of plays. Maybe even a screen pass or god forbid a play over 10 yards will be called. Good luck Alex! Hopefully Alex figures out that you need to take a few chances, especially against teams that have way better coaches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Still no quarterback fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTinNC Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I was just saying that to my wife as we were discussing the big news. I would LOVE for us to bring back Frank! He is currently in his first year as QB Coach in Indy - working with Peyton Manning. If we can't get him this year, let's recruit him for next year! The FRANK for OC campaign begins!... Why bring in the back up? Who was calling plays when we started the no huddle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 His credentials are actually slightly better than Turk's: van Pelt has no track record of being a suck-ass offensive coordinator. Err wrong, his one year being the OC of the Frankfurt Galaxy 2005 he managed to win just 3 out of 10 and finished last posting one of the worst seasons in the history of Frankfurt. The new OC in 2006 took the Galaxy to win the World Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'64 Bills Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 His credentials are actually slightly better than Turk's: van Pelt has no track record of being a suck-ass offensive coordinator. yes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PNW_Bills_Fan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 yes!!! I think this has to do with AVP knowing the system and the guys. If the Bills lose and are not going to go anywhere offensively I think they will not keep AVP but find a new coach. This is not DJ of past move. I think it is a sign of desperation, knowing something has to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbringer Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Short of firing DJ, this is the next move I would have made. So I have to be cautiously optimistic that by mid-season Buffalo will be competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Hell, i'd be happy if AVP makes it to the point where i no longer can predict what play is coming based on the package/personnel on the field. Lets see, 2 WRs, 2 TEs, and Josh reed just motioned across and lined up off the TE? Yup, its a run to the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 hopefully they will all go at the end of the season. this franchise needs to start from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 how can it get worse than the first team offense not scoring a point dating back to last season? Because unlike a preseason game, a regular season game actually matters. Understand now? Or do you need me to draw you a picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJBrown Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 How often do you see an outside OC or DC come in mid-stream...answer is never. It is simply unrealisitc to change an entire system on the fly. Promoting AVP was the only move at this point. If he is successful then he got his chance and makes the best of it. If not, then we are looking at a whole new coaching staff anyway. By the way, I am sure that that the "system" is fine. The knock I have, and I don't think I am alone here, is that the play calling was terrible...not playing to strengths, not going down field, no screens, etc....lets see what we got and enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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