thebug Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Anyone know how many convicted FELONS are in the NFL today? Just curious. Also keep in mind that Vick didn't simply make "a mistake" as has been suggested. He has been found to engage in: Illegal gambing Running a criminal enterprise Tax evasion The torture and murder of an unknown number of animals involved in the dog fighting operation I also suspect he is guilty of the following (either personally, or complicit in): Theft of dogs to use as practice for the dogs in the fighting operation The torture and murder of these stolen dogs Money laundering It probably isn't a crime to use rape stands to force female dogs to bread, for the dog fighting operation, so I won't list that. In other words, Michael Vick is, most likely, one very sick motherfuc#er. But, just a mistake. No biggie. People throughout the world are treated like that on a daily basis, it's sad that they don't get the press that dogs get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Anyone know how many convicted FELONS are in the NFL today? Just curious. Also keep in mind that Vick didn't simply make "a mistake" as has been suggested. He has been found to engage in: Illegal gambing Running a criminal enterprise Tax evasion The torture and murder of an unknown number of animals involved in the dog fighting operation I also suspect he is guilty of the following (either personally, or complicit in): Theft of dogs to use as practice for the dogs in the fighting operation The torture and murder of these stolen dogs Money laundering It probably isn't a crime to use rape stands to force female dogs to bread, for the dog fighting operation, so I won't list that. In other words, Michael Vick is, most likely, one very sick motherfuc#er. But, just a mistake. No biggie. Awesome post!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 People thoughout the world are treated like that on a daily basis, it's sad that they don't get the press that dogs get. The people doing it shouldn't have a second chance at life to make millions of dollars either. But it's okay, Vick is an athlete and it's okay for athlete's to committ felonies and other crimes, still be able to enjoy the life they had and still be able to make millions of dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Sorry, I don't need to know a guy personally to know that he's evil if he tortures and murders man's best friend for sport. Sadly this sport is a cultural phenomenon in this and many other countries. Given it is horrible and illegal, so are many many things man does to animal. There are millions of people oinvolved with this sport, again, sadly. But they are not all evil human beings, and they are not all phsychopathic. And, even if they are all evil whilst they are doing it, if they pay the price and learn from their error (and you cannot tell me you know for a fact he has NOT learned better) , well, we are supposed to be forgiving. I am so over all you holier than thou people; I am absolutely certain you have all committed crimes and most have commiteted cruelties in their lives; in fact eating a ham sandwich is not very kind to the living creature that pig once was either. Get off your high horses. Glad he is getting a second chance and I hope he can make a better life for himself and his family now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 There are millions of people oinvolved with this sport, again, sadly. But they are not all evil human beings, and they are not all phsychopathic. . Actually, I suspect they are. At least most of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rstencel Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 He can play in last 2 preseason games, and can practice with team whole time. He said will give him answer no later than week 6, but could give at any time before that if he meets conditions that where provided before that point. Most likely will not be anywhere near the full 6 games, but could be that long. He isnt getting docked any pay while waiting either, so isnt a true suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 The people doing it shouldn't have a second chance at life to make millions of dollars either. But it's okay, Vick is an athlete and it's okay for athlete's to committ felonies and other crimes, still be able to enjoy the life they had and still be able to make millions of dollars. You are right it's ok for anyone to commit a felony and carry on after their sentence is complete. He just happens to have a skill that people are willing to pay a lot for, you have the same rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 You are right it's ok for anyone to commit a felony and carry on after their sentence is complete. He just happens to have a skill that people are willing to pay a lot for, you have the same rights. Amen. Absolutely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 The NFL, the only place where a convicted felon can make millions of dollars. Lots of convicted felons make money on such things as talk radio and lecture circuit. Even Martha Stewart still makes a bundle. I am not saying I want Vick anywhere near Bills but you exaggerate too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Lots of convicted felons make money on such things as talk radio and lecture circuit. Even Martha Stewart still makes a bundle. I am not saying I want Vick anywhere near Bills but you exaggerate too much. Exactly how I feel. I have no respect at all for Vick and don't want him as a Buffalo Bill. However I respect his right to get on with his life after completing his sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn Down For Watkins Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 No to Vick!!! The guy is a scumbag who never did anything spectacular even when he was with the Falcons. The guy is a terrible passer and he will hopefully jacked up by the first defender to come at him. Anyone who wants Mike Vick on this Bills team is on drugs. And BTW Skooby... How did this post workout over on the Buffalobills.com message boards? ... Not very well, Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Philster has a BMW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Skooby is a perfect example of someone dropped on their head as a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 In one of Jadakiss's (most of you probably don't know him) new songs called "What if", one of the lines is..."what if Peyton was fighting dogs instead of Mike Vick".....seriously, think about that. The guy is getting too much for this crime. It was heinous, but it was not against humanity. It was dogs. Look at RayRay living it up in Bmore after he was involved in covering up a murder. That punk in Cincy (forget his name right now) beat up some 15 year olds...There are COUNTLESS other crimes in this league that don't get the press. Vick was hugely popular, black, and killing dogs is something people sympathize with. He was made an example out of...but he deserves a chance back thats for damn sure. While I don't mean to make light of Vick's actions...they were only animals. I LOVE dogs more than anyone...have a dog myself..but you gotta realize. They are only making such a huge deal about this because dogs are "man's best friend". Had he done this to say chickens or other fighting animals...there wouldnt be nearly as much outrage. Dogs are an emotional softspot for people and its unfortunate in Vicks case because hes gonna be looked down upon forever even after serving his punishment to society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Sadly this sport is a cultural phenomenon in this and many other countries. Given it is horrible and illegal, so are many many things man does to animal. There are millions of people oinvolved with this sport, again, sadly. But they are not all evil human beings, and they are not all phsychopathic. And, even if they are all evil whilst they are doing it, if they pay the price and learn from their error (and you cannot tell me you know for a fact he has NOT learned better) , well, we are supposed to be forgiving. I am so over all you holier than thou people; I am absolutely certain you have all committed crimes and most have commiteted cruelties in their lives; in fact eating a ham sandwich is not very kind to the living creature that pig once was either. Get off your high horses. Glad he is getting a second chance and I hope he can make a better life for himself and his family now. second chances are fine. would you let him stay with you for a spell while he gets his feet under him? oh--thanks for reminding me i need a pound of swiss and a loaf of rye for lunch tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billistic Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Might as well sign Favre, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 In one of Jadakiss's (most of you probably don't know him) new songs called "What if", one of the lines is..."what if Peyton was fighting dogs instead of Mike Vick".....seriously, think about that. The guy is getting too much for this crime. It was heinous, but it was not against humanity. It was dogs. Look at RayRay living it up in Bmore after he was involved in covering up a murder. That punk in Cincy (forget his name right now) beat up some 15 year olds...There are COUNTLESS other crimes in this league that don't get the press. Vick was hugely popular, black, and killing dogs is something people sympathize with. He was made an example out of...but he deserves a chance back thats for damn sure. While I don't mean to make light of Vick's actions...they were only animals. I LOVE dogs more than anyone...have a dog myself..but you gotta realize. They are only making such a huge deal about this because dogs are "man's best friend". Had he done this to say chickens or other fighting animals...there wouldnt be nearly as much outrage. Dogs are an emotional softspot for people and its unfortunate in Vicks case because hes gonna be looked down upon forever even after serving his punishment to society. i disagree. he messed with dogs---and you raise some valid points on the emotional side of man's best friend, but he also tried to beat the man. ill gotten gains and no cashola to uncle sam. that's a story as old as time, and generally ends badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 While I don't mean to make light of Vick's actions...they were only animals. I LOVE dogs more than anyone...have a dog myself..but you gotta realize. They are only making such a huge deal about this because dogs are "man's best friend". Had he done this to say chickens or other fighting animals...there wouldnt be nearly as much outrage. Dogs are an emotional softspot for people and its unfortunate in Vicks case because hes gonna be looked down upon forever even after serving his punishment to society. Yes, the fact that it involves dogs, is a hot button for some. But frankly the fact that it involves systematic torture is the real problem, here. I would be nearly aare s upset if it was a squirrel fighting ring, if it involved the systematic torture and killing of squirrels for sport. Torture of animals is one of the signs of a very sick individual and this behavior in children is used to predict future violent behavior as an adult. Killing animals for a purpose, is one thing, torturing them is quite another thing. Perhaps there are some who engage in dog fighting (or rooster fighting) as it is one of the few ways for them to support their family. What makes Vick involvement in this twisted behavior even more disturbing, is that he is a multi-millionaire. One might conclude he gets his jollies watching animals abused and killed...simply for amusement. Spin it any way you want, but that has very little to do with the killing of animals for food. This is perverted entertainment. If that's a high horse, I'd rather be riding it, then wallowing in the horse s#it many here are shoveling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 i disagree. he messed with dogs---and you raise some valid points on the emotional side of man's best friend, but he also tried to beat the man. ill gotten gains and no cashola to uncle sam. that's a story as old as time, and generally ends badly. We eat chickens and cows. In Korea, they DO eat dogs it is part of their cultural heritage and diet going back centuries and millions eat them. Are all Koreans evil and bad? I know many Koreans seem like very nice civil folk. And if you are telling me that no-one else here cheats on taxes or does not report income that they happen to get in cash, well, you are just simple minded and naive. Enough already, the valid point was raised by ubeeter billeive; Vick may just not be a very good NFL qb. This would be a very valid reason, to keep him out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn Down For Watkins Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Might as well sign Favre, too. And Pacman Jones, I'm sure Skooby would love that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 And Pacman Jones, I'm sure Skooby would love that too. PAcman is avail, and he is a DB. I am very surprised that DJ has not gone and started rimming him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 And Pacman Jones, I'm sure Skooby would love that too. What is the obsession with "SKOOBY"? I haven't been posting here long, but if he's as much of a pain in the ass as everyone makes him out to be, why not just ignore the bastard? I feel like 50% of the threads on this board turn into SKOOBY bashing threads or SKOOBY roasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 What is the obsession with "SKOOBY"? I haven't been posting here long, but if he's as much of a pain in the ass as everyone makes him out to be, why not just ignore the bastard? I feel like 50% of the threads on this board turn into SKOOBY bashing threads or SKOOBY roasts. Good point I no longer look at anything skooby posts or writes and I encourage all to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Interesting..I'm watching Sportscenter right now and Mortensen seems to think Vick would be a perfect fit backing up Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh. Herm Edwards sees the Saints picking him up. Those are two teams that didn't come across to me as likely participants in the Vick sweepstakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn Down For Watkins Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 What is the obsession with "SKOOBY"? I haven't been posting here long, but if he's as much of a pain in the ass as everyone makes him out to be, why not just ignore the bastard? I feel like 50% of the threads on this board turn into SKOOBY bashing threads or SKOOBY roasts. He's prob. the most annoying poster u will ever come accross of. Usually I do try to ignore him but this Vick BS got me irritated for some reason. My bad Pitta, I know it can get annoying after awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 You think he will get veteran minimum? Signing bonus? I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 If the Bills sign Vick, I guarantee he would get a loud cheer on opening day and a lot of attention a la TO at training camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turn Down For Watkins Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 If the Bills sign Vick, I guarantee he would get a loud cheer on opening day and a lot of attention a la TO at training camp Usually I would say absolutley 100% NO to Vick but with this season prob. being the most important one in awhile I am starting to come around on the idea. I'm still kinda on the fence about it tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 There might be a few posters claiming to know what Michael Vicks all about, I for one am not one of them. The African American, because of his or her heritage and turbulent history are really the only ones that can fully understand how a black man really feels. It wasn't that long ago the black man was still dealing with slavery,racial problems, being forced to endure hardships that were unspeakable and basically for the lack of a better word, treated like animals. Myself personally, I'm white and because of my heritage I'm ashamed of what we did to the black man and in my heart I'm not going to hold it against him for something I helped make him into in the first place. Pitta, why are you here? Cursing our City and our players doesn't cut it and calling our Mod a moron doesn't cut it. So if you don't respect anything about this board, the City of Buffalo or even the owner of the football team, why are you even here? My post was partly in defense of Michael Vick. Until you walk a mile in a mans shoes, you should not judge him. I could name numerous cultures with different ways and for different purposes animals are killed and some for enjoyment. To some folks it seems barbaric, to others, second nature. God knows whats in Michael Vicks heart, and he's the only one that really matters when all is said and done. Doesn't anyone find it ironic that some folks can condemn Michael Vick forever for fighting and killing dogs and meanwhile some of our favorite shows on the TV that we like to watch so much involve humans killing humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Question is, wonder what team is going to get him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Question is, wonder what team is going to get him? I just hope he's not in the AFC East so we don't have to chase him all over the football field twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitta Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Pitta's point is, none of us can know what is in another's head. We can't know if he is sorry for what he has done, feels remorse, etc. Neither can another Black man. Someone who shares Vick;s culture, upbringing, life experiences, etc. may have a better chance of empathizing with what he has gone through, or imagining what he might be going through now, but only HE knows what is in his head. I agree with Pitta, that no one here knows if he is reformed, has changed, etc. But I completely disagree we can't have an opinion about it. Since it is, by definition (at least Pitta's) "unknowable", an opinion is ALL we can have. We can form that opinion by observing his behavior and listening to what he says. We can believe him, or disbelieve him. Are those opinions very informed? Probably not, but that doesn't mean they aren't proper opinions. When stated as fact, no opinion is proper: But let's not kid ourselves about who this guy is. He's a scumbag who hasn't changed a bit. That's not an opinion. The only reason I told him to keep his "opinion" to himself is because he stated it as if it were a known fact that Vick hasn't changed. I'm all for opinions, I just expect some intelligent discussion when I refute them and not a semantics battle. And I just don't share the same sentiment. "People don't change" is such a widely accepted philosophy these days. But in my opinion it's a miserable fool's way to look at life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 In one of Jadakiss's (most of you probably don't know him) new songs called "What if", one of the lines is..."what if Peyton was fighting dogs instead of Mike Vick".....seriously, think about that. The guy is getting too much for this crime. It was heinous, but it was not against humanity. It was dogs. Look at RayRay living it up in Bmore after he was involved in covering up a murder. That punk in Cincy (forget his name right now) beat up some 15 year olds...There are COUNTLESS other crimes in this league that don't get the press. Vick was hugely popular, black, and killing dogs is something people sympathize with. He was made an example out of...but he deserves a chance back thats for damn sure. While I don't mean to make light of Vick's actions...they were only animals. I LOVE dogs more than anyone...have a dog myself..but you gotta realize. They are only making such a huge deal about this because dogs are "man's best friend". Had he done this to say chickens or other fighting animals...there wouldnt be nearly as much outrage. Dogs are an emotional softspot for people and its unfortunate in Vicks case because hes gonna be looked down upon forever even after serving his punishment to society. Well, Peyton Manning isn't fighting dogs. So, your logic sucks. And to the bolded part ... no, you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Well, Peyton Manning isn't fighting dogs. So, your logic sucks. And to the bolded part ... no, you don't. Again, you can't walk in another mans shoes. Peyton grew up on the other side of town from Vick. Clearly they had differing influences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Again, you can't walk in another mans shoes. Peyton grew up on the other side of town from Vick. Clearly they had differing influences. Boo hoo. Vick signed a $130 million contract but got his jollies by torturing dogs. Race goes out the window; a moron is a moron is a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 http://www.comcast.net/video/Glazer-Viking.../fanNFL/newest/ Uhhhhhhhh, I don't know about this one. Glazer says the Vikes would be better off with Vick over Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I think that any team that does sign Vick will be one that is in a position of strength and not a team that is desperate. I also believe that it would be an organization that has not only the owner approving such an acquisition but more importantly a GM and coach who are in agreement. Although Tony Dungy is no longer the coach of the Colts he is still in high esteem with GM Bill Polian and owner Jim Irsay. As many of you already know that Dungy has been counseling Vick, it's conceivable that for Dungy to be involved with Vick as much as he's currently been, it indicates to me that Dungy not only wants to help Vick but that he also has a belief in him. Tony Dungy is a Christian and a good man. Seeing him trying to rebuild and help restore a man and his life like Michael Vick's doesn't surprise me at all. I'm not suggesting that there is anything lacking with Peyton Manning or that Vick would be any kind of threat to his job but adding Vick to an already lethal offense would be almost mindboggling. Manning isn't the most mobile QB and having Vick run some certain packages like the Wildcat would be very interesting to say the least. In addition to not having Marvin Harrison on the roster I believe that Vick would help compensate for some of that offensive loss. I'm not sure if Vick could be used like a Reggie Bush type player or not but could you imagine using Vick on offense in a domed stadium? It would use Vick's best attributes if he were to go to a domed stadium and/or a team that plays on astroturf. It wouldn't hurt also to have an offensive weapon like Vick on your team if and when you have to go up against Belichick's Patriots. It will be interesting to see where Vick does land up. I just hope that he doesn't land up in our division and hopefully not even in our conference but I guess I would be asking too much for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dungy himself says Vick isn't going to Indy. http://www.indystar.com/article/20090728/S...n+Vick+s+corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dungy himself says Vick isn't going to Indy. http://www.indystar.com/article/20090728/S...n+Vick+s+corner Nice find. I didn't see that article but other than Dungy saying that the Colts don't need any QB help it's what I thought he might have felt about Vick and his redemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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